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Offline Brietta

Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« on: December 11, 2017, 06:29:28 PM »
Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD

11 DECEMBER 2017

Alexandra Borges, Sérgio Figueiredo and Judite França in the presentation of TVI's Great Report on the IURD.  | NUNO PINTO FERNANDES / GLOBAL IMAGES

The TVI report "The Secret of the Gods" reveals that the leader of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God is involved in the network and that his grandchildren were robbed of a home in Portugal

The Public Prosecutor's Office has opened an investigation into an alleged network of illegal adoptions of Portuguese children linked to the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (IURD), the Attorney General's Office (PGR) told Lusa on Monday.

"There is an investigation related to this matter, and it has been referred to the DIAP [Investigation and Criminal Action Department of Lisbon] for investigation," added PGR, quoted by Lusa.

An investigation by TVI reveals that Edir Macedo, leader of IURD, is involved in an international network of illegal adoptions of children and that his own "grandchildren" are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the social work of church.

According to the report entitled "The Secret of the Gods", which began to be broadcast on TVI on Monday, the IURD had an illegal children's home in Lisbon in the 90's, where several children were taken in absentia of their mothers.

The children were delivered directly to the home, in the margins of the courts, by families in difficulties and ended abroad, adopted by bishops and pastors of the church irregularly and without right to contradict the families, according to the investigation of the journalists Alexandra Borges and Judite France .

TVI found that Edir Macedo "is involved in this international network of illegal adoptions of children, and that his own grandchildren are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the church's social work."

According to a TVI statement on the investigation, "an important member of this network even came to steal a newborn from his mother in the maternity hospital and to register him directly as his biological child."

"This happened under our eyes and depicts the scheme that was set up in an illegal home," TVI's director of information, Sérgio Figueiredo, said at the end of the presentation of the report to the press.

The situation "reaches the height of the IURD," he said, stressing that "the children were taken without the courts hearing the children's families."

"The state was not quite right here, but it's never too late to restore the truth," said Sérgio Figueiredo.

The home opened in 1994 in Lisbon and was legalized in 2001. The IURD eventually closed it in 2011, claiming the crisis as the motive.

This is the first series of information on Portuguese television and will be revealed in ten episodes, the first one being broadcast today following the "Jornal das 8".
https://www.dn.pt/sociedade/interior/mp-esta-a-investigar-alegada-rede-de-adocoes-ilegais-de-criancas-ligadas-a-iurd-8977692.html?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Web


  ...  *%6^ ... Wonder if anyone will bother to translate and make a transcript for publication on the internet 

Seems TVI are investigating an illegal international adoption network which allegedly was active in Portugal during the time Madeleine went missing.

Apparently they have sufficient information for ten episodes and  ... just like the much derided burglaries and assaults on children carried out while their parents slept under the same roof ... much time and effort has gone into denying such a thing as illegal adoptions are possible.

If there was an active international network for the theft and trafficking of infants ... in my opinion ... it would take very little tweaking to adapt the same protocols for the theft and trafficking of toddlers.

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« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 09:35:14 PM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2017, 07:26:28 PM »
Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD

11 DECEMBER 2017

Alexandra Borges, Sérgio Figueiredo and Judite França in the presentation of TVI's Great Report on the IURD.  | NUNO PINTO FERNANDES / GLOBAL IMAGES

The TVI report "The Secret of the Gods" reveals that the leader of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God is involved in the network and that his grandchildren were robbed of a home in Portugal

The Public Prosecutor's Office has opened an investigation into an alleged network of illegal adoptions of Portuguese children linked to the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (IURD), the Attorney General's Office (PGR) told Lusa on Monday.

"There is an investigation related to this matter, and it has been referred to the DIAP [Investigation and Criminal Action Department of Lisbon] for investigation," added PGR, quoted by Lusa.

An investigation by TVI reveals that Edir Macedo, leader of IURD, is involved in an international network of illegal adoptions of children and that his own "grandchildren" are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the social work of church.

According to the report entitled "The Secret of the Gods", which began to be broadcast on TVI on Monday, the IURD had an illegal children's home in Lisbon in the 90's, where several children were taken in absentia of their mothers.

The children were delivered directly to the home, in the margins of the courts, by families in difficulties and ended abroad, adopted by bishops and pastors of the church irregularly and without right to contradict the families, according to the investigation of the journalists Alexandra Borges and Judite France .

TVI found that Edir Macedo "is involved in this international network of illegal adoptions of children, and that his own grandchildren are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the church's social work."

According to a TVI statement on the investigation, "an important member of this network even came to steal a newborn from his mother in the maternity hospital and to register him directly as his biological child."

"This happened under our eyes and depicts the scheme that was set up in an illegal home," TVI's director of information, Sérgio Figueiredo, said at the end of the presentation of the report to the press.

The situation "reaches the height of the IURD," he said, stressing that "the children were taken without the courts hearing the children's families."

"The state was not quite right here, but it's never too late to restore the truth," said Sérgio Figueiredo.

The home opened in 1994 in Lisbon and was legalized in 2001. The IURD eventually closed it in 2011, claiming the crisis as the motive.

This is the first series of information on Portuguese television and will be revealed in ten episodes, the first one being broadcast today following the "Jornal das 8".
https://www.dn.pt/sociedade/interior/mp-esta-a-investigar-alegada-rede-de-adocoes-ilegais-de-criancas-ligadas-a-iurd-8977692.html?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Web


  ...  *%6^ ... Wonder if anyone will bother to translate and make a transcript for publication on the internet 

Seems TVI are investigating an illegal international adoption network which allegedly was active in Portugal during the time Madeleine went missing.

Apparently they have sufficient information for ten episodes and  ... just like the much derided burglaries and assaults on children carried out while their parents slept under the same roof ... much time and effort has gone into denying such a thing as illegal adoptions are possible.

If there was an active international network for the theft and trafficking of infants ... in my opinion ... it would take very little tweaking to adapt the same protocols for the theft and trafficking of toddlers.

Looks like more clutching at straws to me.

Desperate times.

Offline Erngath

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2017, 07:35:37 PM »
Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD

11 DECEMBER 2017

Alexandra Borges, Sérgio Figueiredo and Judite França in the presentation of TVI's Great Report on the IURD.  | NUNO PINTO FERNANDES / GLOBAL IMAGES

The TVI report "The Secret of the Gods" reveals that the leader of the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God is involved in the network and that his grandchildren were robbed of a home in Portugal

The Public Prosecutor's Office has opened an investigation into an alleged network of illegal adoptions of Portuguese children linked to the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God (IURD), the Attorney General's Office (PGR) told Lusa on Monday.

"There is an investigation related to this matter, and it has been referred to the DIAP [Investigation and Criminal Action Department of Lisbon] for investigation," added PGR, quoted by Lusa.

An investigation by TVI reveals that Edir Macedo, leader of IURD, is involved in an international network of illegal adoptions of children and that his own "grandchildren" are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the social work of church.

According to the report entitled "The Secret of the Gods", which began to be broadcast on TVI on Monday, the IURD had an illegal children's home in Lisbon in the 90's, where several children were taken in absentia of their mothers.

The children were delivered directly to the home, in the margins of the courts, by families in difficulties and ended abroad, adopted by bishops and pastors of the church irregularly and without right to contradict the families, according to the investigation of the journalists Alexandra Borges and Judite France .

TVI found that Edir Macedo "is involved in this international network of illegal adoptions of children, and that his own grandchildren are children stolen from the Universal Home, an institution that was then part of the church's social work."

According to a TVI statement on the investigation, "an important member of this network even came to steal a newborn from his mother in the maternity hospital and to register him directly as his biological child."

"This happened under our eyes and depicts the scheme that was set up in an illegal home," TVI's director of information, Sérgio Figueiredo, said at the end of the presentation of the report to the press.

The situation "reaches the height of the IURD," he said, stressing that "the children were taken without the courts hearing the children's families."

"The state was not quite right here, but it's never too late to restore the truth," said Sérgio Figueiredo.

The home opened in 1994 in Lisbon and was legalized in 2001. The IURD eventually closed it in 2011, claiming the crisis as the motive.

This is the first series of information on Portuguese television and will be revealed in ten episodes, the first one being broadcast today following the "Jornal das 8".
https://www.dn.pt/sociedade/interior/mp-esta-a-investigar-alegada-rede-de-adocoes-ilegais-de-criancas-ligadas-a-iurd-8977692.html?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Web


  ...  *%6^ ... Wonder if anyone will bother to translate and make a transcript for publication on the internet 

Seems TVI are investigating an illegal international adoption network which allegedly was active in Portugal during the time Madeleine went missing.

Apparently they have sufficient information for ten episodes and  ... just like the much derided burglaries and assaults on children carried out while their parents slept under the same roof ... much time and effort has gone into denying such a thing as illegal adoptions are possible.

If there was an active international network for the theft and trafficking of infants ... in my opinion ... it would take very little tweaking to adapt the same protocols for the theft and trafficking of toddlers.


Thank you for that article.
Most interesting and how sad for the families involved.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 07:59:14 PM »
Looks like more clutching at straws to me.

Desperate times.

In my opinion you are merely casting aside aside the actuality of child trafficking happening in Portugal before and after the period covering Madeleine's disappearance because it does not fit with your ... opinions.
However at least one network with the capability to ship trafficked children from Portugal to anywhere in the world was in existence when Madeleine disappeared ... and that is a fact even if you decline to accept it.

Portuguese authorities are currently investigating a network which passed children around illegally:  it happens internationally ... and ... yes ... it is indeed desperate times for those children bought and sold and trafficked as a commodity.

Who are they and where are they?  Perhaps the authorities will be able to rescue some; I can only hope so.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2017, 08:09:47 PM »
In my opinion you are merely casting aside aside the actuality of child trafficking happening in Portugal before and after the period covering Madeleine's disappearance because it does not fit with your ... opinions.
However at least one network with the capability to ship trafficked children from Portugal to anywhere in the world was in existence when Madeleine disappeared ... and that is a fact even if you decline to accept it.

Portuguese authorities are currently investigating a network which passed children around illegally:  it happens internationally ... and ... yes ... it is indeed desperate times for those children bought and sold and trafficked as a commodity.

Who are they and where are they?  Perhaps the authorities will be able to rescue some; I can only hope so.

There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case.

Child trafficking also occurs in other countries.

Unfortunately, hardly something new in human history.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2017, 08:35:11 PM »
There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case.

Child trafficking also occurs in other countries.

Unfortunately, hardly something new in human history.

Noticed...

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The children were delivered directly to the home, in the margins of the courts, by families in difficulties and ended abroad, adopted by bishops and pastors of the church irregularly.

So not exactly traditional child trafficking.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 08:42:27 PM »
There is no evidence child trafficking has occurred in the McCann case.

Child trafficking also occurs in other countries.

Unfortunately, hardly something new in human history.

You know the old mantra ... the one which goes along the lines of ... "Why Madeleine McCann??? ... What about all the other children???"
In my opinion, the quality of your responses to the fact that the Portuguese authorities are investigating an alleged international child trafficking ring probably would answer that question.

The fact remains that investigation was made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance into trafficking rings ... who knows where that might have led to ... had resources not been directed down another path.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 08:47:02 PM »
Noticed...

So not exactly traditional child trafficking.

So no reason for the public prosecutors to have an interest then?  Oh well ... that's all right then.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2017, 08:47:53 PM »
FYI
http://www.againstchildtrafficking.org/wp-content/uploads/Illegal-Adoption-as-Child-Trafficking-Iara-de-Witte.pdf

"However, illegally selling a child for adoption would not constitute trafficking where the child itself is not to be exploited. ... Trafficking, on the other hand, implies exploitation of the victims. If an adopted child is subjected to coerced labor or sexual exploitation, then it constitutes a case of human trafficking.”

Apparently there was once quite a child trade between Bulgaria* and Greece.
 
* one could start a good hare running there.

Read Christopher Booker on the UK's history wrt adoption.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2017, 08:48:36 PM »
You know the old mantra ... the one which goes along the lines of ... "Why Madeleine McCann??? ... What about all the other children???"
In my opinion, the quality of your responses to the fact that the Portuguese authorities are investigating an alleged international child trafficking ring probably would answer that question.

The fact remains that investigation was made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance into trafficking rings ... who knows where that might have led to ... had resources not been directed down another path.

Unusual to call an irregular Catholic adoption organisation an International Child Trafficking Ring.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2017, 08:49:23 PM »
FYI
http://www.againstchildtrafficking.org/wp-content/uploads/Illegal-Adoption-as-Child-Trafficking-Iara-de-Witte.pdf

"However, illegally selling a child for adoption would not constitute trafficking where the child itself is not to be exploited. ... Trafficking, on the other hand, implies exploitation of the victims. If an adopted child is subjected to coerced labor or sexual exploitation, then it constitutes a case of human trafficking.”

Apparently there was once quite a child trade between Bulgaria* and Greece.
 
* one could start a good hare running there.

Read Christopher Booker on the UK's history wrt adoption.

Thanks Alice, same hymn sheet.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 08:53:11 PM »
You know the old mantra ... the one which goes along the lines of ... "Why Madeleine McCann??? ... What about all the other children???"
In my opinion, the quality of your responses to the fact that the Portuguese authorities are investigating an alleged international child trafficking ring probably would answer that question.

The fact remains that investigation was made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance into trafficking rings ... who knows where that might have led to ... had resources not been directed down another path.

The only perceptible mantra, is abduction.

...and yet, nothing and no one else, other than the ones known,  has been found to have been in the apartment that night.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 09:06:38 PM »
The only perceptible mantra, is abduction.

...and yet, nothing and no one else, other than the ones known,  has been found to have been in the apartment that night.

doesnt mean an abductor does not exist

stephen25000

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Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 09:09:47 PM »
doesnt mean an abductor does not exist

As with the other scenarios then.

Cue the inevitable riposte.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Investigated alleged illegal adoption network of IURD.
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2017, 09:27:26 PM »
As with the other scenarios then.

Cue the inevitable riposte.

you have to look at the evidence as to why the other sceneraios are likely or unlikely...as i have done in this case