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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2017, 10:25:30 PM »
Why do you and a few other members feel the necessity to be incredibly rude when there is absolutely no necessity for it.  That was a rhetorical question.

What do you mean: "When the PJ began to investigate them they were shocked to discover that their British police 'friends' were powerless to interfere."?

It would have been impossible for British police to be pro-active in a Portuguese investigation: in my opinion, had they attempted to, the PJ would have been apoplectic and rightly so.

I actually believe that they were shocked that the UK police were not listened to and they realised they were in serious trouble from a totally misguided police investigation

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2017, 10:40:57 PM »
Again..the evidence is there ...in your opinion...and my opinion based on you posts is that I am not impressed by your opinion and your analysis of evidence

OK then Ace let's be having your opinion and analysis so we can compare.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2017, 10:43:11 PM »
OK then Ace let's be having your opinion and analysis so we can compare.

First I would say that G is wrong to accept the non verbatim twice translated statements as accurate...what's your view

Offline Brietta

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2017, 10:48:45 PM »
I actually believe that they were shocked that the UK police were not listened to and they realised they were in serious trouble from a totally misguided police investigation

I would agree with that assessment, Davel. 
Summed up: "If the PJ had been "doing its job properly", Mitchell continued, the McCanns would never have felt compelled to engage the Barcelona private investigation agency Metodo 3, on which the Find Madeleine campaign has already spent £200,000. "Not a penny would have been spent on the private investigators," he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1016969/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz5225rRimG
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2017, 10:50:57 PM »
First I would say that G is wrong to accept the non verbatim twice translated statements as accurate...what's your view

As I recall I challenged you to give your appraisal and analysis.
Mine view is irrelevant in that context.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2017, 10:55:50 PM »
As I recall I challenged you to give your appraisal and analysis.
Mine view is irrelevant in that context.

No it's not as I've just challenged you to give your view

stephen25000

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Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2017, 11:01:17 PM »
I would agree with that assessment, Davel. 
Summed up: "If the PJ had been "doing its job properly", Mitchell continued, the McCanns would never have felt compelled to engage the Barcelona private investigation agency Metodo 3, on which the Find Madeleine campaign has already spent £200,000. "Not a penny would have been spent on the private investigators," he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1016969/Madeleine-The-damning-case-police-Britains-investigative-reporter.html#ixzz5225rRimG

Mitchell represented the Mccann's, so his opinion is biased, and I therefore take very little of what he says as of any value whatsover.

It was elements of the UK police who first suggested that the PJ investigate the Mccanns, as would have happened here.

For some inexplicable reason, regardless of the lack of evidence to support abduction, the UK police changed to support abduction. The question being why.

AIMHO.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2017, 11:03:45 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline Brietta

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2017, 11:28:01 PM »
Mitchell represented the Mccann's, so his opinion is biased, and I therefore take very little of what he says as of any value whatsover.

It was elements of the UK police who first suggested that the PJ investigate the Mccanns, as would have happened here.

For some inexplicable reason, regardless of the lack of evidence to support abduction, the UK police changed to support abduction. The question being why.

AIMHO.

Was that the British police who were so 'in the loop' that Amaral put them under surveillance and had them followed?

In my opinion it is highly probable the British police cast a professional eye over the investigation and took a good look at what was and what wasn't and came to their own conclusions.
It is also worth bearing in mind ... they had the capability to read and understand forensic reports.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2017, 11:33:35 PM »
Was that the British police who were so 'in the loop' that Amaral put them under surveillance and had them followed?

In my opinion it is highly probable the British police cast a professional eye over the investigation and took a good look at what was and what wasn't and came to their own conclusions.
It is also worth bearing in mind ... they had the capability to read and understand forensic reports.

It is part of the UK police who advised the PJ to investigate the Mccann's.

So which police officer or officers read the forensic reports ?

Meanwhile the concentration on 'abduction' has failed to produce an abductor, and as reported in the press, they have one final 'critical lead'.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2017, 02:53:25 AM by John »

Offline Brietta

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2017, 11:59:33 PM »
It is part of the UK police who advised the PJ to investigate the Mccann's.

So which police officer or officers read the forensic reports ?

Meanwhile the concentration on 'abduction' has failed to produce an abductor, and as reported in the press, they have one final 'critical lead'.

Then wouldn't it be appropriate just to wait and see and leave a family in peace just for a little while as they wait for news of their beloved child?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2017, 12:02:47 AM »
Then wouldn't it be appropriate just to wait and see and leave a family in peace just for a little while as they wait for news of their beloved child?

What makes you think SY will solve this case ?

Offline John

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2017, 12:15:43 AM »
Personally, I can't see SY solving anything now and several detectives I have recently spoken to feel the same.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2017, 07:29:57 AM »
Why do you and a few other members feel the necessity to be incredibly rude when there is absolutely no necessity for it.  That was a rhetorical question.

What do you mean: "When the PJ began to investigate them they were shocked to discover that their British police 'friends' were powerless to interfere."?

It would have been impossible for British police to be pro-active in a Portuguese investigation: in my opinion, had they attempted to, the PJ would have been apoplectic and rightly so.

Kate McCann knew how the British police were placed too, but she found it very difficult to accept as she demonstrates in her book. Her frustration is clear to see;

Many people in top positions were saying the right things to us privately but it seemed nobody
could – or would – do anything about it.....


Meanwhile, Bob Small paid us a call. We were pleased to see him: he is one of the good guys. While he always remained completely professional, we knew that he cared about us, about Madeleine and about justice. You’d have thought you could expect this of all police officers and people in authority, but our experience had taught us otherwise. Compassionate though Bob was, he was still unable to answer many of our questions (‘Constrained by my position . . .’), which was upsetting and exasperating......

The UK police would argue that their hands were tied: the Portuguese might have perceived any ‘interference’ as an attempt to undermine their primacy in the investigation, which would have had implications not only for the current inquiry but also for any future international cooperation. We were aware of the frustrating constraints of this delicate relationship, but to us, it just felt like a betrayal.......

the police, who were always telling us their hands were tied..........

The UK authorities fought our application tooth and nail. I was shocked by the force of their opposition and the lengths to which they seemed prepared to go to deny us this access in these circumstances.

Jim Gamble acknowledged the mistakes made by the British police too;

Secret Madeleine McCann report finds competing British forces hampered inquiry
[/b]Police chiefs fighting to be seen to be helping in the search for Madeleine McCann alienated Portuguese authorities and had a long-term impact on the investigation,

It was unhelpful … I've no doubt relationships from the outset with the Portuguese were impacted by it and I think that had a long term negative effect on the investigation and I think to this very day the Met investigation team that's engaged now are still having to manage and massage that relationship and perhaps to be fair to the Portuguese, mend some fences that were trodden on in the early days.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11068928/Secret-Madeleine-McCann-report-finds-competing-British-forces-hampered-inquiry.html
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2017, 07:40:46 AM »
Poppycock! They bowed to pressure from family, friends, government ministers and the media. Their response was hasty, uncoordinated, unsuitable and unwanted. The level of interference was unprecedented, inexcusable and, worst of all, unhelpful. Not only did they upset the PJ, they gave the McCanns the impression that they were on their side. When the PJ began to investigate them they were shocked to discover that their British police 'friends' were powerless to interfere. That's my opinion having read the debrief, a lot of which has been confirmed by Jim Gamble.

Good post.
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stephen25000

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Re: Operation Task Methodology
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2017, 07:56:47 AM »