What evidence is there that the initial investigation was not fit for purpose

[G-Unit]

as for being cleared......Barry George has not been cleared despite two trials...The idea taht Kate would ahve been cleared is total fallacy..imo

you then go on to quote craig Murray who was sacked in disgrace by the FO

There are two sides to the Craig Murray story;

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2003/11/our-son-of-a-bitch/

[Mr Gray]

There are two sides to the Craig Murray story;

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2003/11/our-son-of-a-bitch/

He isn't really of any relevance imo
He says the McCanns were given special treatment...so what
It was a special case imo

[pathfinder73]

Who do you think instigated this involvement?  Wasn't there a claim that Gerry McCanns own brother had connections with Gordon Brown through the Labour Party?

Jill Renwick has known the couple since they all worked together at a Glasgow hospital more than a decade ago. She spoke to Kate at 7am on the morning after Madeleine vanished: "She just said, 'Help me, please help me'. She said, 'We've been searching all night until 4.30am, and then everybody left us'. At that stage there was only one police officer at the door. They didn't know what to do. So I phoned GMTV."

She also phoned the McCanns' wider circle of friends, who mobilised to phone anyone they could think of to beg for help. Renwick's sister called someone she knew in CID, someone had a connection with Des Browne, the defence secretary. One friend lives close to the Newsnight presenter Kirsty Wark, said Renwick: "She knocked on her door and said, 'I know you must think I'm mad but my friend's wee girl is missing, can you do anything to help?' Though they are not friends, Gordon Brown's brother John lives in the same street as Renwick: "I stopped him in the street the day afterwards and said, 'These are my friends. Do you think you could speak to Gordon about it?' And he said of course. I don't know if anything came about that way."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/02/ukcrime.comment

[Mr Gray]

Jill Renwick has known the couple since they all worked together at a Glasgow hospital more than a decade ago. She spoke to Kate at 7am on the morning after Madeleine vanished: "She just said, 'Help me, please help me'. She said, 'We've been searching all night until 4.30am, and then everybody left us'. At that stage there was only one police officer at the door. They didn't know what to do. So I phoned GMTV."

She also phoned the McCanns' wider circle of friends, who mobilised to phone anyone they could think of to beg for help. Renwick's sister called someone she knew in CID, someone had a connection with Des Browne, the defence secretary. One friend lives close to the Newsnight presenter Kirsty Wark, said Renwick: "She knocked on her door and said, 'I know you must think I'm mad but my friend's wee girl is missing, can you do anything to help?' Though they are not friends, Gordon Brown's brother John lives in the same street as Renwick: "I stopped him in the street the day afterwards and said, 'These are my friends. Do you think you could speak to Gordon about it?' And he said of course. I don't know if anything came about that way."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/02/ukcrime.comment

I think Jill Renwicks account of her converstaion with Kate is more evidence that the Mccanns are innocent .....aS for who requested the uk police to become involved there is a report that a request came from the owners of the ocean club

[G-Unit]

I think Jill Renwicks account of her converstaion with Kate is more evidence that the Mccanns are innocent .....aS for who requested the uk police to become involved there is a report that a request came from the owners of the ocean club

Interesting. Please provide a cite.

[Mr Gray]

Interesting. Please provide a cite.

its in here...

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf

Cant remebr the page...will look later

[slartibartfast]

its in here...

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf

Cant remebr the page...will look later

That says Leicestershire constabulary found out from the media and from the family via Strathclyde Police.

[Mr Gray]

That says Leicestershire constabulary found out from the media and from the family via Strathclyde Police.

bottom of page 13...initial response....first call to a UK agency was to the FCO from the operator of the resort

[G-Unit]

its in here...

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf

Cant remebr the page...will look later

You seem to have added your own assumption, however. The 'holiday operator' called the FCO in Lisbon is what it says. There's absolutely no mention of a request for help. [page 15]

[slartibartfast]

bottom of page 13...initial response....first call to a UK agency was to the FCO from the operator of the resort

You said UK police?

[Mr Gray]

You said UK police?

so what do you think the perpose of the call was if not a request for help

[Mr Gray]

You seem to have added your own assumption, however. The 'holiday operator' called the FCO in Lisbon is what it says. There's absolutely no mention of a request for help. [page 15]

there was no request for help from the portuguese.......why would the operator involve teh FCO if it was not a request for help

[slartibartfast]

so what do you think the perpose of the call was if not a request for help

They weren’t the Police. As I said the document you posted says the Police learnt about the situation from the media and the Family.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/bizarre-requests-from-brits-abroad

[Mr Gray]

They weren’t the Police. As I said the document you posted says the Police learnt about the situation from the media and the Family.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/bizarre-requests-from-brits-abroad

The fact is that the UK police offerred their help...are you suggesting it was pressure from the family that caused them to do this......The Uk police are involved now...that can only mean it is felt.... that the initial investigation may have missed things...it really is a simple as that

[Mr Gray]

Who do you think instigated this involvement?  Wasn't there a claim that Gerry McCanns own brother had connections with Gordon Brown through the Labour Party?

This is the post by angelo...so who instigated the involvement....the operators of the OC contacted the FCO......simple