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Offline G-Unit

It is not a true copy cos it has at least one part removed.  That part showed Jane starting near the gate and then very determindly striding down to the spot that she then indicated as the place where Gerry and Jez chatted.  The bit that was removed added emphasis to the action of pointing out the spot where it happened.  In other words removing it weakened the point. 

The exposure time showing Janes pointing out and moving there was minimised.  These two things meant that anyone not fully conversant with the geography of the place would not be able to place the position.


IMO the making of this phoney video was purely for two reasons:

1)  To cut out bits that the maker wanted removed for his own perverse reasons to weaken the original video
2)  To open up the opportunity for the rabble to abuse the Mccanns  with foul comments.  The original bona fide Cutting Edge Video did not allow comments

IMO NOBODY has the right to alter a bonafide pressentaion by another and present it as the original.

I had previously noticed that the videos ran for a different length of time.  I wish that I had fully analysed the situation at that time. 

So, do you think it is OK that someone alters a video and presents it as the real McCoy, Rob ?

The documentary 'Madeleine was here' was made in 2009. That was a year after Jane's rog. interview when, for reasons best known to herself, she first mentioned Gerry and Jez speaking near the alleyway.

On 4th May 2007 Jane drew a diagram placing the men north of the alleyway. Four or five days after that she contributed to a group timeline wherein she repeats the same story; they were not at the entrance to the alleyway, they were near the gate to 5A.

On 10th May her memory fails her; she can't remember where the men were placed.

In her rog interview she says 'sort of' a lot when trying to describe the men's location. 

You use sort of when you want to say that your description of something is not very accurate.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/sort-of

I know this is where me and Gerry differ, but I thought they were sort of more near the little alleyway.  I think sort of......definitely sort of by that, sort of more by this alleyway.  I don’t think they were by the apartment gate, I thought they were sort of a bit further down, down the road than that......I don’t think they were right outside the gate for sure.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

She doesn't recall the position/orientation of either Jez or GM while they spoke to each other on the street, only having the perception that one was on the pavement and the other was in the road next to the other.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm

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Offline Robittybob1

The Admin should set up a video channel called UK Justice  and upload all Madeleine McCann YT videos to it and we all become subscribers, therefore we will have out own reference library available to everyone.  I'd imagine that would be load of work but it might generate an income in the end.
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Offline Robittybob1

G-unit - I edited your post  I corrected the spelling  of bot to not just in case it was misread as both.
Originally"
 they were bot at the entrance to the alleyway, they were near the gate to 5A.
or edited:
 they were not at the entrance to the alleyway, they were near the gate to 5A.
or  misread:
 they were both at the entrance to the alleyway, they were near the gate to 5A.
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Offline kizzy

Another silly comment.

Shouldn't you put IYO.

Isn't that offtopic as well.

Isn't that goading as well.

Don't you think then if maddie had woke up to find herself alone, she wouldn't have been frightened -  Eleanor.


Offline Robittybob1

Shouldn't you put IYO.

Isn't that offtopic as well.

Isn't that goading as well.

Don't you think then if maddie had woke up to find herself alone, she wouldn't have been frightened -  Eleanor.
In the context your comment was "silly" as you replied "Obviously" to a silly comment.
Jassi:
"Allegedly she was very bright for her age. Perhaps this brightness illuminated the way.
 
Kizzy:
Obviously, and not afraid of being alone as well.
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Offline Robittybob1

The documentary 'Madeleine was here' was made in 2009. That was a year after Jane's rog. interview when, for reasons best known to herself, she first mentioned Gerry and Jez speaking near the alleyway.

On 4th May 2007 Jane drew a diagram placing the men north of the alleyway. Four or five days after that she contributed to a group timeline wherein she repeats the same story; they were not at the entrance to the alleyway, they were near the gate to 5A.

On 10th May her memory fails her; she can't remember where the men were placed.

In her rog interview she says 'sort of' a lot when trying to describe the men's location. 

You use sort of when you want to say that your description of something is not very accurate.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/sort-of

I know this is where me and Gerry differ, but I thought they were sort of more near the little alleyway.  I think sort of......definitely sort of by that, sort of more by this alleyway.  I don’t think they were by the apartment gate, I thought they were sort of a bit further down, down the road than that......I don’t think they were right outside the gate for sure.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

She doesn't recall the position/orientation of either Jez or GM while they spoke to each other on the street, only having the perception that one was on the pavement and the other was in the road next to the other.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_3_MAY_07.htm


The handwritten text on her diagram was not translated either.

IMO each pair of partners has another dynamic to consider: "How does what I say affect my relationship?".  So if Jane's testimony is changing with time it could be because what she is saying originally has some affect on her marriage.
Remember Kate told us, in her book, her sex life was affected.  What about the other Tapas 7 members that were there?

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Offline misty

No sign of Crecheman/Tannerman's wife in Jane's diagram. If the family had got lost, they certainly hadn't got lost together.

Offline Robittybob1

No sign of Crecheman/Tannerman's wife in Jane's diagram. If the family had got lost, they certainly hadn't got lost together.
That should be in a separate thread Misty for it is definitely off topic here.
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Offline misty

That should be in a separate thread Misty for it is definitely off topic here.

If Jez & Gerry didn't see Jane passing when they were stood talking, maybe Crecheman & his family also walked by, unnoticed, on the opposite side of the road.

Offline Wonderfulspam

No sign of Crecheman/Tannerman's wife in Jane's diagram. If the family had got lost, they certainly hadn't got lost together.

Mr Redwood didn't say the whole family was in the area at that time.

Only father & child.
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Offline Robittybob1

If Jez & Gerry didn't see Jane passing when they were stood talking, maybe Crecheman & his family also walked by, unnoticed, on the opposite side of the road.
Or you could take it further the Tannerman family could have walked right past Gerry and Jez too as Jane did and not be noticed. 

I didn't know he had a family with him.  Where did you get that bit?
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Offline misty

Mr Redwood didn't say the whole family was in the area at that time.

Only father & child.

"They themselves believed they could be the Tanner sighting"....
« Last Edit: January 23, 2018, 07:26:13 PM by misty »

Offline Wonderfulspam

"They themselves believed they could be the Tanner sighting"....

Meaning crecheman. Not his extended family.
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Offline misty

Meaning crecheman. Not his extended family.

They believed that they.... the child had no belief because she was too young. Why would a missing mother have believed her husband was the sighting without actually being there?

Offline Robittybob1

Meaning crecheman. Not his extended family.
The family could believe many things, but how many people did Jane see or how many people were in the area? Tannerman plus child were the ones I knew about.
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