Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[Robittybob1]

I don't buy it.  Jane comes flip flopping up the road with nobody else around and passes so close to Gerry that she could have touched him yet neither men saw her.  No wonder Amaral didn't believe her.

I don't know if a complete lapse of memory has ever occurred to you but it has to me.  They had been having a series of late nights with relatively heavy drinking, things weren't easy looking after the kids, and Kate and Gerry were having issues from what I understand.  That might have been enough for Gerry to switch off entirely, he went through the motions of talking to Jez but neither really recalled what they said.
It happened to me once where I talked for 10 minutes on the phone but I had not taken anything in.  Once off the phone when my partner questioned me "who was that?, what did you talk about"", I had no recollection, even though the conversation had just finished.  I knew I had been on the phone but that was all.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/sleep-deprivation-effects-drivers-in-a-similar-way-to-drinking-alcohol-812950.html  combination of tiredness and alcohol could be a factor in Gerry's case.

[jassi]

Interesting as your anecdotal amnesia might be, somehow it doesn't seem relevant to the situation.

So both men were totally zonked out and just stood there, not listening to one another? I don't think so.

[Robittybob1]

Interesting as your anecdotal amnesia might be, somehow it doesn't seem relevant to the situation.

So both men were totally zonked out and just stood there, not listening to one another? I don't think so.

It is possible for they both recollect rather a different conversation.

[G-Unit]

Jes agreed with you Sadie and the police; he thought it was 'highly unlikely' that she could have passed without being seen;

He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right.

I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry

I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry [Jane]

I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way

I believe that it would have been possible to see if an individual was near

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[pathfinder73]

Jane did not walk past Gerry and Jes and baby buggy on that pavement ... she walked past two acquaintances one of whom standing on the kerb and the other standing on the road who were deep in conversation and oblivious to their surroundings.
Whichever side of the road the men were on, all three + baby Wilkins in his buggy were not all on the same pavement at the same time.  One man is described as standing on the road by all three witnesses.

JT didn't pass an aware JW with a pram. He saw Jane earlier from a greater distance. He would be aware for any traffic on both sides so to miss Jane passing on a deserted street at the time is not possible.

[Brietta]

JT didn't pass an aware JW with a pram. He saw Jane earlier from a greater distance. He would be aware for any traffic on both sides so to miss Jane passing on a deserted street at the time is not possible.

Was he deep in conversation when he saw the woman in purple?

He was when Jane passed him and Gerry.

[Alice Purjorick]

If they were chatting in the kerb, half in the road, at the alleyway entrance, there was wide space behind them for Jane to pass them.   Measured on G.Earth the pavement at the alleyway is some 2.4 metres wide (nearly 8 Feet), so a good 6 feet available room for passing.

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Except Jane's and Jez's testimony places them north of the tangent point of the alleyway and "main drag",
where the sidewalk will be 2m wide as per code of practice [which is directed by the space required for two wheelchairs to pass without the occupants scuffing each others knuckles].
With the usual caveat of course...................

[faithlilly]

Was he deep in conversation when he saw the woman in purple?

He was when Jane passed him and Gerry.

Did any of the men say they were deep in conversation or was it just a casual chat ?

[Brietta]

Did any of the men say they were deep in conversation or was it just a casual chat ?

Casual chat or deep in conversation ... take your pick ... but whichever, they were deep enough into it to be oblivious to what was going on around them.

[G-Unit]

Casual chat or deep in conversation ... take your pick ... but whichever, they were deep enough into it to be oblivious to what was going on around them.

Oblivious? Who said that?

[ShiningInLuz]

No need Sadie. I've stood on the actual pavement and know it's impossible for someone to pass by without being seen so let's have no more of this nonsense.

Can I ask when your visit occurred?

On 3 May 2007, the only reference to cars parked outside the Tapas reception is by Stephen Carpenter.

However, that is an obvious parking spot for staff working in the Tapas zone.  So it takes little to construct a scenario in which Gerry had his back to Jane, while Jes simply didn't notice her.  If one puts the parked cars back into the mix, that is.

[Robittybob1]

Can I ask when your visit occurred?

On 3 May 2007, the only reference to cars parked outside the Tapas reception is by Stephen Carpenter.

However, that is an obvious parking spot for staff working in the Tapas zone.  So it takes little to construct a scenario in which Gerry had his back to Jane, while Jes simply didn't notice her.  If one puts the parked cars back into the mix, that is.

And the cars described by Arlindo the Executive Chef.  He drove there and he notice a car there before he arrived and the same one had left before he left, but he gets his timing wrong, but there are enough significant events described to be able to say he was about 30 minutes out in his timing.

[Robittybob1]

I did a whole thread on Arlindo.  Do you all agree with my findings there?  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8970.0

I'm about to go to Praia da Luz and I expect to discover new things but will they just be ignored too?

[Mr Gray]

Can I ask when your visit occurred?

On 3 May 2007, the only reference to cars parked outside the Tapas reception is by Stephen Carpenter.

However, that is an obvious parking spot for staff working in the Tapas zone.  So it takes little to construct a scenario in which Gerry had his back to Jane, while Jes simply didn't notice her.  If one puts the parked cars back into the mix, that is.

And another anomaly  is explained

[Brietta]

Oblivious? Who said that?

I did