Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[Brietta]

Recently a companion and I visited a house.  On leaving my friend said, "I wonder who that woman is."  To which my response was, "What woman?"

Apparently a woman had entered the room, walked across it, passed me and sat down on the sofa.  I did not see her. 

My concentration was fixed on a baby in the room to the exclusion of all else.  Had I been asked under oath had I seen a female walking into the room, I could only have responded that I had not.

It didn't mean there wasn't one ... and I just hope she didn't think I was too high and mighty to acknowledge her presence.

[sadie]

Recently a companion and I visited a house.  On leaving my friend said, "I wonder who that woman is."  To which my response was, "What woman?"

Apparently a woman had entered the room, walked across it, passed me and sat down on the sofa.  I did not see her. 

My concentration was fixed on a baby in the room to the exclusion of all else.  Had I been asked under oath had I seen a female walking into the room, I could only have responded that I had not.

It didn't mean there wasn't one ... and I just hope she didn't think I was too high and mighty to acknowledge her presence.

Similar things have happened to me a number of times

.... and as for my hubby, if it was a football at 100 yards, he would notice it.  Yet with my friend and neighbour, who is a petite lady of 5'3", he hadn't even noticed that she was smaller than me, even when I was 5'8",which was quite tall.  He thought that she was tall!

I bet Gerry would notice a football at 100 yards too!  IMO But not if it was out of his peripheral visiion as Jane was.  IMO She was always behind his back as opposed to in front of him.  IMO She never came into Gerrys Field of Vision.

IMO No way could he see her.

[John]

Jane Tanner states they were stood more or less like the picture, Gerry had his back to the wall and Jez was facing her as she approached.  How both men failed to see her is indeed a mystery.



You either believe Jane or you don't.

[Robittybob1]

Jane Tanner states they were stood more or less like the picture, Gerry had his back to the wall and Jez was facing her as she approached.  How both men failed to see her is indeed a mystery.



You either believe Jane or you don't.

It is the difference between seeing things at the time and adding them to your memory isn't it?

[pathfinder73]

Jane Tanner states they were stood more or less like the picture, Gerry had his back to the wall and Jez was facing her as she approached.  How both men failed to see her is indeed a mystery.



You either believe Jane or you don't.

Any reconstruction would prove she couldn't pass them both without being seen. And if Totman didn't see Jane then she was not in the position where she said she was IMO.  [Don't forget to say when it is opinion not fact.]

[misty]

For a better description of where Jane placed Gerry & Jez......

https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY?t=101

[sadie]

Jes agreed with you Sadie and the police; he thought it was 'highly unlikely' that she could have passed without being seen;

He was adamant that he did not see any one else in the area. When spoken to in reference to Jane Tanner walking by, he again stated that he saw no one. He also stated that he did not see or hear anyone to his right.

I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry

I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry [Jane]

I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way

I believe that it would have been possible to see if an individual was near

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

Where did you get this from Gunit?

I have always thought the Exact reverse, that it is a distinct possibility that Jane passed and in the depth of conversation .... and possibly looking at Jezes baby ... they did not see Jane.

Also I have pointed out that Jane NEVER IMO came into Gerrys field of vision. 
If they were standing between cars / vans.... and there were cars there according to Steven Carpenter, then Jezes field of vision was severely restricted.  Jez had the tall Gerry, up on the kerb, standing bang in front of him.  If he was bending down to attend to his baby, no way would he have seen Jane in such circumstances IMO

[G-Unit]

Where did you get this from Gunit?

I have always thought the Exact reverse, that it is a distinct possibility that Jane passed and in the depth of conversation .... and possibly looking at Jezes baby ... they did not see Jane.

Also I have pointed out that Jane NEVER IMO came into Gerrys field of vision. 
If they were standing between cars / vans.... and there were cars there according to Steven Carpenter, then Jezes field of vision was severely restricted.  Jez had the tall Gerry, up on the kerb, standing bang in front of him.  If he was bending down to attend to his baby, no way would he have seen Jane in such circumstances IMO

It's obvious where I got my information from because I provided cites. The man who was there said it was unlikely that anyone could have passed by without being seen. Others can speculate all they like, but neither man saw Jane Tanner and they should have. Perhaps Russell's first timeline was correct and Gerry returned before Jane left.

[jassi]

What does the 9.55 entry say? - can't read his writing.

[Robittybob1]

It's obvious where I got my information from because I provided cites. The man who was there said it was unlikely that anyone could have passed by without being seen. Others can speculate all they like, but neither man saw Jane Tanner and they should have. Perhaps Russell's first timeline was correct and Gerry returned before Jane left.

Perhaps neither are correct!

[John]

What does the 9.55 entry say? - can't read his writing.

9.55   -   Kate ...... Madeleine
10pm -  Alarm raised

[jassi]

9.55   -   Kate ...... Madeleine
10pm -  Alarm raised

Thanks, that's what I thought, but can't make the middle word into anything sensible

[pathfinder73]

Mother I think.

[jassi]

Does that make sense?  I thought the 2nd letter to be an 'a'

I would expect something like - Kate Madeline missing, or Kate no Madeleine

Anyone else any idea

[G-Unit]

Perhaps neither are correct!

You might be onto something there.