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Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2018, 05:26:46 PM »
Please don't try to deflect the thread ... it isn't working.

The level of suspicion directed against Kate and Gerry is in my opinion minimal when taking the real world into consideration.

The reopening of Madeleine's investigation allowed the scales to drop from many eyes both here and in Portugal and most certainly worldwide.
However the investigation into her case works out, in my opinion in future most thinking people will consider the last few years and put anything other than that into the compartment marked 'conspiracy theories'.

Conspiracy theories?   Are you disputing my opening post which is based on facts?   If you do maybe you can explain away all the irregularities.
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Offline John

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2018, 05:32:08 PM »
Conspiracy theories?   Are you disputing my opening post which is based on facts?   If you do maybe you can explain away all the irregularities.

I have changed the thread title and op slightly in order to comply with forum rules.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 01:45:52 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2018, 05:40:59 PM »
FindMadeleine Website -
The proposed reconstruction:
The suggestion of a reconstruction of our movements and other key witnesses at the crime scene and/or surrounding area in the early days following Madeleine's abduction was declined by the PJ as 'not usual' for Portugal.
When the PJ finally requested a reconstruction to take place in 2008, Gerry and I were still arguidos and as such would have attended for a reconstruction.

Some key witnesses (including some of our friends) declined to attend the planned reconstruction as they were not convinced of the aims and usefulness of it.
In particular, as the reconstruction was not to be shown to the media (and hence the general public), they did not feel it would help to find Madeleine.
Had the intention been to show it to the general public, it may have 'jogged' memories and encouraged people to come forward with information.

It should be added that other key witnesses were not invited to attend. (note other key witnesses like the waiters, other guests at the restaurant)
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077838/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2023

Their friends would do whatever they privately told them to do. They did not want the media - watch the videos below of the McCanns talking about it.



Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2018, 06:05:24 PM »
Conspiracy theories?   Are you disputing my opening post which is based on facts?   If you do maybe you can explain away all the irregularities.

I've asked the question on another thread  regarding the accusation against Spanish private detective agency Metodo 3.

I've had a good look and outwith blogs inimical to the McCann family I can find no reference to such an event.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2018, 06:09:07 PM »
Well I know we all have different views on this.

Personally, I can't see any reason in Rebelo-day for wanting one, except to tick boxes on procedures to hand it all to the magistrate / prosecutor.

You don't actually need people present these days to work out forensic timelines or anything else. They'd had the keys long enough to verify a door potentially slamming. Why would you need the person in question actually there? Either it was possible or it wasn't.

They'd tried to get through the window to see if that was possible. There's no particular for the parents of a missing child having to be there while attempting to simulate that possibility.

The timeline isn't complicated to work out in terms of possibilities. They'd made a best guess of the times, according to their recollections of the sequence of events and whatever baseline time they were using.

There was no way on earth of determining why Gerry & Jez didn't see Jane, nor hear her flipflops. How do you scientifically determine what those two guys, deep in conversation actually perceived that night? I might have heard her flipflopping up, but it doesn't mean that they did. They did go back and all that came out of that was that they didn't agree on where exactly they were standing.

What I haven't personally seen is that Gerry (and Russell, from memory) mentioned that a date had been leaked to the media. If that's accurate, that would be the other leak I was trying to remember under Rebelo's watch - but I don't recall having seen it in the media, and it may have been off the record and got leaked via the media grapevine from there.




Offline Brietta

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2018, 06:20:43 PM »
Well I know we all have different views on this.

Personally, I can't see any reason in Rebelo-day for wanting one, except to tick boxes on procedures to hand it all to the magistrate / prosecutor.

You don't actually need people present these days to work out forensic timelines or anything else. They'd had the keys long enough to verify a door potentially slamming. Why would you need the person in question actually there? Either it was possible or it wasn't.

They'd tried to get through the window to see if that was possible. There's no particular for the parents of a missing child having to be there while attempting to simulate that possibility.

The timeline isn't complicated to work out in terms of possibilities. They'd made a best guess of the times, according to their recollections of the sequence of events and whatever baseline time they were using.

There was no way on earth of determining why Gerry & Jez didn't see Jane, nor hear her flipflops. How do you scientifically determine what those two guys, deep in conversation actually perceived that night? I might have heard her flipflopping up, but it doesn't mean that they did. They did go back and all that came out of that was that they didn't agree on where exactly they were standing.

What I haven't personally seen is that Gerry (and Russell, from memory) mentioned that a date had been leaked to the media. If that's accurate, that would be the other leak I was trying to remember under Rebelo's watch - but I don't recall having seen it in the media, and it may have been off the record and got leaked via the media grapevine from there.

From: Russell O'Brien, Sent: 23rd May 2008, To: Prior Stuart, Subject: RE: Re-enactment Dates

Dear Stuart,

We gather that Rachel has already contacted you saying they won't be returning for any re-enactment.
Once again, it seems an academic matter if there is not going to be 100% attendance.

Furthermore, we think it is hard to imagine a productive return to Portugal whilst Kate and Gerry remain arguidos.

Secondly, the Prosecutor astonishingly referring to them as 'offenders' in their letter implies they are already considered to be guilty, and will be treated as such by the police and press.

Furthermore the leaking of the date even before your email completely contradicts the letter's pretence to secrecy for the re-enactment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2018, 06:28:53 PM »
From: Russell O'Brien, Sent: 23rd May 2008, To: Prior Stuart, Subject: RE: Re-enactment Dates

Dear Stuart,

We gather that Rachel has already contacted you saying they won't be returning for any re-enactment.
Once again, it seems an academic matter if there is not going to be 100% attendance.

Furthermore, we think it is hard to imagine a productive return to Portugal whilst Kate and Gerry remain arguidos.

Secondly, the Prosecutor astonishingly referring to them as 'offenders' in their letter implies they are already considered to be guilty, and will be treated as such by the police and press.

Furthermore the leaking of the date even before your email completely contradicts the letter's pretence to secrecy for the re-enactment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RE_ENACTMENT.htm

Thanks Brietta. It doesn't actually say leaked to the media - as in being published. It may well have been an off-the-record tip-off that got leaked via the grapevine then.

I have no recollection of having read that in the media in advance, unless I simply missed it.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2018, 06:33:50 PM »
Their friends would do whatever they privately told them to do. They did not want the media - watch the videos below of the McCanns talking about it.



It has always been excuses excuses and more excuses.  Let's face it, the reconstruction had little to do with finding Maddie but everything to do with getting to the truth.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 06:36:28 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2018, 06:42:40 PM »
It has always been excuses excuses and more excuses.  Let's face it, the reconstruction had little to do with finding Maddie but everything to do with getting to the truth.

It is worth remembering, that they paid money to a company to 'keep them in the media'. I am of the opinion that they wanted to control the media. There was a really good opportunity to iron out the very rough edges it was all there -warts an all to be analysed -the problem was/is the story just doesn't cut it as far as window abductions go, in the time scale being offered.

They all knew they would be ruined and this has always been about them and their reputations! IMHO
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2018, 06:43:00 PM »
It has always been excuses excuses and more excuses.  Let's face it, the reconstruction had little to do with finding Maddie but everything to do with getting to the truth.

More opinion presenteD as fact....the reconstruction was basically to try and implicate the mccanns and had nothing to do with the search for Maddie
The tapas were wise to ignore it..imo

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2018, 06:47:32 PM »
I've asked the question on another thread  regarding the accusation against Spanish private detective agency Metodo 3.

I've had a good look and outwith blogs inimical to the McCann family I can find no reference to such an event.

Could I suggest a few starting questions for SY.

1.  Who engaged Marcos Correia?
2.  What was Marcos Correia's brief?
3.  Who funded Marcos Correia?
4.  How much did the Madeleine Fund pay Marcos Correia?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 06:50:13 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2018, 06:49:12 PM »
More opinion presenteD as fact....the reconstruction was basically to try and implicate the mccanns and had nothing to do with the search for Maddie
The tapas were wise to ignore it..imo

Maybe you haven't noticed yet but it is the polices job to look into ALL options.  The McCanns don't have any right to obstruct that duty.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2018, 06:54:19 PM »
Could I suggest a few starting questions for SY.

1.  Who engaged Marcos Correia?
2.  What was Marcos Correia's brief?
3.  Who funded Marcos Correia?
4.  How much did the Madeleine Fund pay Marcos Correia?

We have had this discussion before and I explained to you this would be the job of the pj....who obviously aren't interested....not SY. You said you were going to contact the PJ with your information..have you...looks like you havent

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2018, 07:13:44 PM »
Can you please give a cite for your claims that all theories were investigated and the McCanns were declared innocent of all suspicion. Can you name ALL the theories investigated- without being banned lol
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 01:50:14 PM by John »
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Offline Lace

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2018, 07:14:01 PM »
It is worth remembering, that they paid money to a company to 'keep them in the media'. I am of the opinion that they wanted to control the media. There was a really good opportunity to iron out the very rough edges it was all there -warts an all to be analysed -the problem was/is the story just doesn't cut it as far as window abductions go, in the time scale being offered.

They all knew they would be ruined and this has always been about them and their reputations! IMHO

Yes they paid money to keep Madeleine in the news so that the public wouldn't forget her,   so what?    What window abduction are you talking about?