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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #405 on: February 06, 2018, 01:58:11 PM »
You don't seem to understand... Imo
Smith saw smithman... Of that there is no doubt and is a useful lead... But it seems neither investigation believe it was Gerry he saw
It really is that simple

I understand perfectly thank you. In particular I understand that you have provided no cite for "neither investigation believe it was Gerry he saw", so I assume that's your opinion?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #406 on: February 06, 2018, 02:15:33 PM »
The so-called ciggie incident is a Levy/ Reis special. IMO, it's fairly safe to discount it as ever happening. Along with the infamous "24 photos" and quite a few other "scoops" that never materialised for those of us old enough to remember.

It certainly wasn't Aoife.  Too far away, and hardly likely to disappear without being noticed, and just to have a fag.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #407 on: February 06, 2018, 02:22:00 PM »
I understand perfectly thank you. In particular I understand that you have provided no cite for "neither investigation believe it was Gerry he saw", so I assume that's your opinion?

No as Gerry is not a suspect then both investigations do not think he is smithman... Their  opinion not mine

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #408 on: February 06, 2018, 05:00:08 PM »
No as Gerry is not a suspect then both investigations do not think he is smithman... Their  opinion not mine

Neither are you, but if someone identified you as Smithman you'd need an alibi.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #409 on: February 06, 2018, 05:20:14 PM »
Neither are you, but if someone identified you as Smithman you'd need an alibi.

Who actually identified anyone?  So who do you think was identified?

I am getting so tired of supposition.  And No, I don't care if you think I am a Supporter.  I need some proof of whom I am supposed to accuse.  And so far, I haven't seen any.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #410 on: February 06, 2018, 06:10:38 PM »
Who actually identified anyone?  So who do you think was identified?

I am getting so tired of supposition.  And No, I don't care if you think I am a Supporter.  I need some proof of whom I am supposed to accuse.  And so far, I haven't seen any.

How many identifications however tentative have been made in this case.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #411 on: February 06, 2018, 06:15:25 PM »
Who actually identified anyone?  So who do you think was identified?

I am getting so tired of supposition.  And No, I don't care if you think I am a Supporter.  I need some proof of whom I am supposed to accuse.  And so far, I haven't seen any.

My answers are;

No-one: no-one: I wasn't supposing: I don't care what you think I think you are: I have no proof.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #412 on: February 06, 2018, 06:36:32 PM »
Neither are you, but if someone identified you as Smithman you'd need an alibi.
Very good point G-unit.  I was thinking there would be hundreds of people who would struggle to have a hard alibi for an event minutes away from the 5A apartment.   It is really unsolvable from that aspect for it is rather difficult to pin down the time of the alarm precisely. One with more precision than the time it would take for a man to walk from 5A to where Smithman was seen.   

If we say it would take 5 minutes to get there and 5 minutes to do anything and 5 minutes to return, adding up to 15 minutes.  We are then saying that it takes a minimum of 15 minutes to abduct Madeleine and to deposit her in some location near where the Smiths saw the man.  Can every male around PdL provide a strong alibi for every 15 minute period between 9:45 and 10:15 that night.  Or even a soft alibi if asked for an alibi.  Robert Murat seems to be OK for he was at home with his mother, and his mother confirmed that.

But the emphasis came on RM at a time when Smithman was not even known about.  We would really have to consider why it took 2 weeks for the Smiths to come forward and then only after RM was made a suspect.
Did Amaral and the PJ consider the Smith's sighting as a genuine event?  In O Enigma he does, but that doesn't really count for it depends on what happened at the time.  The PJ didn't drop RM's arguido status, can we read anything into that?  No that 's alright for RM was more the Tannerman suspect and there is no real proof Tannerman and Smithman are one and the same person.
I get the feeling it is unsolvable from the point of view of alibis.   
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #413 on: February 06, 2018, 06:45:33 PM »
I understand perfectly thank you. In particular I understand that you have provided no cite for "neither investigation believe it was Gerry he saw", so I assume that's your opinion?
Pedro do Carmo made that perfectly clear.  We have to presume he wasn't lying.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #414 on: February 06, 2018, 06:46:39 PM »
Very good point G-unit.  I was thinking there would be hundreds of people who would struggle to have a hard alibi for an event minutes away from the 5A apartment.   It is really unsolvable from that aspect for it is rather difficult to pin down the time of the alarm precisely. One with more precision than the time it would take for a man to walk from 5A to where Smithman was seen.   

If we say it would take 5 minutes to get there and 5 minutes to do anything and 5 minutes to return, adding up to 15 minutes.  We are then saying that it takes a minimum of 15 minutes to abduct Madeleine and to deposit her in some location near where the Smiths saw the man.  Can every male around PdL provide a strong alibi for every 15 minute period between 9:45 and 10:15 that night.  Or even a soft alibi if asked for an alibi.  Robert Murat seems to be OK for he was at home with his mother, and his mother confirmed that.

But the emphasis came on RM at a time when Smithman was not even known about.  We would really have to consider why it took 2 weeks for the Smiths to come forward and then only after RM was made a suspect.
Did Amaral and the PJ consider the Smith's sighting as a genuine event?  In O Enigma he does, but that doesn't really count for it depends on what happened at the time.  The PJ didn't drop RM's arguido status, can we read anything into that?  No that 's alright for RM was more the Tannerman suspect and there is no real proof Tannerman and Smithman are one and the same person.
I get the feeling it is unsolvable from the point of view of alibis.

Look, Love.  We weren't lied to by The BBC. Like every other Media outlet they were a bit careless.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #415 on: February 06, 2018, 06:50:36 PM »
Neither are you, but if someone identified you as Smithman you'd need an alibi.
Would Gerry just need a 60/80 alibi

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #416 on: February 06, 2018, 06:52:36 PM »
It certainly wasn't Aoife.  Too far away, and hardly likely to disappear without being noticed, and just to have a fag.
It wasn't Aoife doing what?  No was there a half hour she was away from her parents? If it takes only 5 minutes, or less if there is a motorbike or a car involved, how can we just discount the possibility of her doing something like having her first cigarette.

Look, Love.  We weren't lied to by The BBC. Like every other Media outlet they were a bit careless.
I don't get your point, is that reference to the OP rather than my post?  I never mentioned the BBC.
(Maybe Pedro do Carmo spoke on the BBC program.  Is that it?)
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #417 on: February 06, 2018, 08:46:54 PM »
If you can suggest anyone else who has been identified, please do so.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #418 on: February 06, 2018, 08:54:55 PM »
If you can suggest anyone else who has been identified, please do so.
Would the fact that Martin Smith publicly identifies  a person make the case against Gerry even more difficult to pursue?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #419 on: February 06, 2018, 08:55:55 PM »
Would the fact that Martin Smith publicly identifies  a person make the case against Gerry even more difficult to pursue?

Why? He would be a witness.
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