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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #300 on: February 14, 2018, 04:15:22 AM »
But despite filing a report with both British and Spanish police at the time, giving descriptions and a car numberplate, Sisson, who lives in Gibraltar, is certain the sighting was never investigated.

Intriguingly The Olive Press has now managed to locate details of a German family – under the name ‘Karsten Meyer’ – who did indeed check into the Cabopino campsite, near Fuengirola, three days after Maddie disappeared.
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Even more intriguingly, records from the campsite show that the couple actually paid a supplement on arrival on May 6 for an ‘extra child’ having originally booked themselves in as one family.

They had a blue Mercedes Vita van and were towing a caravan.

A numberplate recorded by the campsite, which began ‘BE’ with five letters has not been used in Germany since 1974, although the first Vita van’s were only manufactured in 1996.
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“But this is the first we have heard about any possible Maddie sighting here and police have certainly never been in touch.”

It is this discrepancy that has so irritated Sisson, who this week once again contacted UK police investigating the case.

“There was something strange about it all,” explained the Durham-born artist, who explained that the couple were of slim build and looked to be in their late thirties.

“It was like the girl was alienated and completely different to her family. It really was most peculiar,” said Sisson.

“She was sat on her own, not playing but just standing swaying as if in a dream. She looked really out of it.”

She continued: “It was also strange that they also had two toddlers, with curly blond hair, eerily like Sean and Amelie.

“And there were children’s toys, a bike and rollerblades around the caravan for a girl her age, so I had the impression maybe they had lost a girl and seen Maddie and wanted to replace her,” she added.

“I deliberately went to look at the girl again the next day and she was wearing the same clothes as the day before even though it was 27 degrees heat.

“A mother would know that this was a strange thing as children of that age go through so many clothes and love to strip off in the heat.

“I have a little girl myself who is just a year older than Maddie; it makes me think about it even more.”

She continued: “At one point the girl started to move towards the pool to play with other children and the lady came and got her and lead her back by the hand.

“She obviously did not want her playing with the other kids.”

Sisson had been on holiday with her husband Richard, a buyer for an electrical business in Gibraltar, when she first set eyes on the girl.

So convinced was she that it could be Maddie she actually made a two hour round trip a week later to check the family out again.

“I literally could not sleep, it haunted me and I decided to drive back to have a second look,” she said.

“It definitely looked like her, and again I contacted Crimestoppers and even my local Gibraltarian police, but nothing seems to have been done.”

The campsite confirmed that a Karsten Mayer had stayed there from May 6 to May 18, 2007.

As well as confirming the car number plate and a date of birth from 1970, they were also able to furnish a passport or ID number.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/05/08/did-german-couple-snatch-maddie-mccann/
What I would want to know is the order of arriving.
What day did the Sisson family arrive?
what day did the Mayer family arrive? 
Which family set up in the camp before the other?

Karen talked of toys around the caravan which made it seem more of a static site.
"“And there were children’s toys, a bike and rollerblades around the caravan for a girl her age, so I had the impression maybe they had lost a girl and seen Maddie and wanted to replace her,” she added."
EXCLUSIVE By Wendy Williams and Jon Clarke in Cabopino The Olive Press.

"Well outside the camper van there were crates of possessions and children's bikes etc, a table and chairs etc. This seemed more permanent than a holiday, as if they had been there a while or moved around camp sites. It was more than just holiday equipment."  This is what Karen told me.  I'm just a bit unsure who was using the camper van.

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Offline Lace

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #301 on: February 14, 2018, 03:00:08 PM »
Rob,   the police traced this man using the number plate of his car,   he give his real name in the campsite.  Would he have done that?   

It is a bit odd that he had to add a child on for his holiday -   Even more intriguingly, records from the campsite show that the couple actually paid a supplement on arrival on May 6 for an ‘extra child’ having originally booked themselves in as one family.


Though I expect he had a reason for that.    Did the police actually see his daughter?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #302 on: February 14, 2018, 05:51:04 PM »
Rob,   the police traced this man using the number plate of his car,   he give his real name in the campsite.  Would he have done that?   

It is a bit odd that he had to add a child on for his holiday -   Even more intriguingly, records from the campsite show that the couple actually paid a supplement on arrival on May 6 for an ‘extra child’ having originally booked themselves in as one family.


Though I expect he had a reason for that.    Did the police actually see his daughter?
I don't think we have enough information to answer those questions.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #303 on: February 14, 2018, 06:18:32 PM »
What I would want to know is the order of arriving.
What day did the Sisson family arrive?
what day did the Mayer family arrive? 
Which family set up in the camp before the other?

Karen talked of toys around the caravan which made it seem more of a static site.
"“And there were children’s toys, a bike and rollerblades around the caravan for a girl her age, so I had the impression maybe they had lost a girl and seen Maddie and wanted to replace her,” she added."
EXCLUSIVE By Wendy Williams and Jon Clarke in Cabopino The Olive Press.

"Well outside the camper van there were crates of possessions and children's bikes etc, a table and chairs etc. This seemed more permanent than a holiday, as if they had been there a while or moved around camp sites. It was more than just holiday equipment."  This is what Karen told me.  I'm just a bit unsure who was using the camper van.
In order to get a better understanding of the above issues I contacted Karen Sisson again.

My questions to Karen:
"Hi Karen,
I hope things are going well, over there. 
One minor thing to help me get the picture in my mind, what I would want to know is the order of arriving.
What day did the Sisson family arrive?
What day did the Mayer family arrive? 
Which family set up in the camp before the other?
You talk of lots of toys around their caravan which gives me the impression they were there longer than you.
"On May 6, a German family arrived with a caravan."  Did you see them arrive?
You said "Well outside the camper van there were crates of possessions and children's bikes etc, a table and chairs etc. This seemed more permanent than a holiday, as if they had been there a while or moved around camp sites. It was more than just holiday equipment."
Which vehicle was the camper van?  Karsten Mercedes was towing a caravan wasn't it?"

Karen's K and Robs R interaction:

K:  Hi the camper van comment was me getting the terminology wrong, it was a caravan that was towed. It was already there when we got there. The olive press uncovered the photo of their booking in, did that have their date on it, my arrival date was the one on my email on my letter to royal Gib police that I sent you.

R:  Ok  it was already there when you got there, and you think they had been there for a while because of the amount of toys around their site.  (that is how I understand you.)

K:  What I meant was they had    a whole area out front with crates of stuff tables and chairs etc, more like if you were staying somewhere for a while or were travelling, around for a while
More than we ever took anywhere

R:  So I want to know what day you arrived?  I'll look at the email.

K:  It's a long time ago now the letter I sent is more reliable than my memory

R:  I can understand the two times you saw her "Whilst at the campsite I passed a young girl both on Sunday 6th May and Monday 7th May who looked remarkably like Madeleine."

K:  I remember it was a bank holiday that weekend for Gibraltar
That's why we would have still been there on a Monday

R:  I'm trying to tie your sighting to that other one.

K:  What date was that other one again

R:  I quickly looked through the emails and I didn't see a date of arrival.

K:  I say the sunday

R:  What do you think this means "Now Brit cops have been told the family paid extra for bringing one child more
than expected when they arrived at the site on May 6."?

K:  That refers to the booking in when they arrived at cabopino

R: I need your sighting dates to be one day later or theirs one day earlier

K:  They must have arrived at cabopino on the 6th

R:  Well they certainly paid for an extra child from the 6th

K:  What is the date of the other sighting, which one are you referring to

R:  I'll get it from the website.

K:  If it's the Spanish one, remember they could have checked the van in on the sat and then driven the people carrier out into Spain for the day on the sat

R:  "The timing of this incident does not quite fit with Karen's observations or does it?  This incident Barcelona was in the early hours of May 7th.    Maybe it does if Karen saw her later in the day on the 7th.  Could you get from Barcelona to Camping Cabopino in that time?  Karen Sisson said in a letter to the McCanns in 2008 "Whilst at the campsite I passed a young girl both on Sunday 6th May and Monday 7th May who looked remarkably like Madeleine""

K:  Yes I saw the girl in the evening if the 7th
Around 6pm ish
I didn't see the parents on the 7th she was on her own outside the van

R:  well could you have seen her the next day as well on the morning of eighth?

K:  It was the afternoon I saw them when we went to the pool
On the 8th
They were in a different part of the site to us

R:  OK so you dates could be late on the 7th and on the afternoon of the 8th by the pool.

K:  We were by the pool, they were parked next to that area,

R:  OK  But if they drove to Barcelona to pick up a girl , did you ever notice that the blue people mover was not with the caravan?  Were they attached or separated?

K:  Sorry Robert I have to get on I have a lot to do today

R:  When you get time.  Please.
Thank you for that bit.  Very good.

K:  The people carrier was separated yes, it was next to the plot
They could have driven in and out of the campsite at any time
That's what everyone did

R:  Thank you....etc
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #304 on: February 14, 2018, 06:20:50 PM »
G-unit will you critically analyse those dates please?

My initial reaction is that the Barcelona sighting of the Victoria Beckham lookalike no longer clashes with this sighting by Karen Sisson.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #305 on: February 15, 2018, 07:17:15 AM »
G-unit will you critically analyse those dates please?

My initial reaction is that the Barcelona sighting of the Victoria Beckham lookalike no longer clashes with this sighting by Karen Sisson.

Karen saw the family on 6th and again on 7th. She was there 'for the weekend'. As the 7th was Bank Holiday Monday in Gibraltar I assume her husband would have returned to work on 8th.

Barcelona is a ten hour drive from the campsite. The woman would have had to leave early afternoon on 6th to be in Barcelona at 2am on 7th. The story about the woman in Barcelona was very unreliable too.

I don't think either story has any significance.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #306 on: February 15, 2018, 07:42:41 AM »
Karen saw the family on 6th and again on 7th. She was there 'for the weekend'. As the 7th was Bank Holiday Monday in Gibraltar I assume her husband would have returned to work on 8th.

Barcelona is a ten hour drive from the campsite. The woman would have had to leave early afternoon on 6th to be in Barcelona at 2am on 7th. The story about the woman in Barcelona was very unreliable too.

I don't think either story has any significance.
It is one hell of a drive if someone drove from Barcelona at Camping Cabopino, as you say a 10 hour drive.  Notice: did you see Karen changed her observation dates from "6th and 7th" to the "7th and the 8th"?  "K:  It was the afternoon I saw them when we went to the pool On the 8th"
Where as the first sighting is "K:  Yes I saw the girl in the evening if the 7th
Around 6pm ish" 
So if the earliest is 6 PM as long as they left before 8 AM they could get 10 hours of driving in.  So it is still possible that if the Victoria Beckham lady found the man that had "her new daughter" she could just make it back in time to been seen at Cabopino at 6:00 PM.
The thing that supports this is the testimony from Karsten "“It is quite possible that my daughter appeared distant. She was tired after a very long road trip.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #307 on: February 15, 2018, 09:02:27 AM »
Karen Sisson saw the girl on 6th in Marbella, three days after her disappearance. It's too late for her to change her story now in my opinion.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #308 on: February 15, 2018, 10:08:05 AM »
Karen Sisson saw the girl on 6th in Marbella, three days after her disappearance. It's too late for her to change her story now in my opinion.
I will make further enquiries to see if there is a way to be certain.  To me the story as it was first pointed out had faults for family appeared to have kids toys there but no child, then a child turns up but she isn't fitting in.
"“And there were children’s toys, a bike and rollerblades around the caravan for a girl her age, so I had the impression maybe they had lost a girl and seen Maddie and wanted to replace her,” she added."  The fact at such an early time Karen thought in terms of replacement child, came about because it appears the toys preceded the sighting of the girl.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #309 on: February 18, 2018, 10:02:25 PM »
In order to get a better understanding of the above issues I contacted Karen Sisson again.

My questions to Karen:
"Hi Karen,
I hope things are going well, over there. 
One minor thing to help me get the picture in my mind, what I would want to know is the order of arriving.
What day did the Sisson family arrive?
What day did the Mayer family arrive? 
Which family set up in the camp before the other?
You talk of lots of toys around their caravan which gives me the impression they were there longer than you.
"On May 6, a German family arrived with a caravan."  Did you see them arrive?
You said "Well outside the camper van there were crates of possessions and children's bikes etc, a table and chairs etc. This seemed more permanent than a holiday, as if they had been there a while or moved around camp sites. It was more than just holiday equipment."
Which vehicle was the camper van?  Karsten Mercedes was towing a caravan wasn't it?"

Karen's K and Robs R interaction:

K:  Hi the camper van comment was me getting the terminology wrong, it was a caravan that was towed. It was already there when we got there. The olive press uncovered the photo of their booking in, did that have their date on it, my arrival date was the one on my email on my letter to royal Gib police that I sent you.

R:  Ok  it was already there when you got there, and you think they had been there for a while because of the amount of toys around their site.  (that is how I understand you.)

K:  What I meant was they had    a whole area out front with crates of stuff tables and chairs etc, more like if you were staying somewhere for a while or were travelling, around for a while
More than we ever took anywhere

R:  So I want to know what day you arrived?  I'll look at the email.

K:  It's a long time ago now the letter I sent is more reliable than my memory

R:  I can understand the two times you saw her "Whilst at the campsite I passed a young girl both on Sunday 6th May and Monday 7th May who looked remarkably like Madeleine."

K:  I remember it was a bank holiday that weekend for Gibraltar
That's why we would have still been there on a Monday

R:  I'm trying to tie your sighting to that other one.

K:  What date was that other one again

R:  I quickly looked through the emails and I didn't see a date of arrival.

K:  I say the sunday

R:  What do you think this means "Now Brit cops have been told the family paid extra for bringing one child more
than expected when they arrived at the site on May 6."?

K:  That refers to the booking in when they arrived at cabopino

R: I need your sighting dates to be one day later or theirs one day earlier

K:  They must have arrived at cabopino on the 6th

R:  Well they certainly paid for an extra child from the 6th

K:  What is the date of the other sighting, which one are you referring to

R:  I'll get it from the website.

K:  If it's the Spanish one, remember they could have checked the van in on the sat and then driven the people carrier out into Spain for the day on the sat

R:  "The timing of this incident does not quite fit with Karen's observations or does it?  This incident Barcelona was in the early hours of May 7th.    Maybe it does if Karen saw her later in the day on the 7th.  Could you get from Barcelona to Camping Cabopino in that time?  Karen Sisson said in a letter to the McCanns in 2008 "Whilst at the campsite I passed a young girl both on Sunday 6th May and Monday 7th May who looked remarkably like Madeleine""

K:  Yes I saw the girl in the evening if the 7th
Around 6pm ish
I didn't see the parents on the 7th she was on her own outside the van

R:  well could you have seen her the next day as well on the morning of eighth?

K:  It was the afternoon I saw them when we went to the pool
On the 8th
They were in a different part of the site to us

R:  OK so you dates could be late on the 7th and on the afternoon of the 8th by the pool.

K:  We were by the pool, they were parked next to that area,

R:  OK  But if they drove to Barcelona to pick up a girl , did you ever notice that the blue people mover was not with the caravan?  Were they attached or separated?

K:  Sorry Robert I have to get on I have a lot to do today

R:  When you get time.  Please.
Thank you for that bit.  Very good.

K:  The people carrier was separated yes, it was next to the plot
They could have driven in and out of the campsite at any time
That's what everyone did

R:  Thank you....etc

I'm not convinced this is  MBM. Re the adding a child this is known throughout the camping and caravan cubs. we have a cottage in Corwall we have access to for 6 weeks of the year, more often than not we have 'visitors' coming for one or two nights sometimes more. nothing sinister  about that at all, AND when we were children we wore play clothes - climbed trees and rolled on the grass and jumped in puddles! very dirty happy children we all were.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #310 on: February 18, 2018, 10:22:40 PM »
I'm not convinced this is  MBM. Re the adding a child this is known throughout the camping and caravan cubs. we have a cottage in Corwall we have access to for 6 weeks of the year, more often than not we have 'visitors' coming for one or two nights sometimes more. nothing sinister  about that at all, AND when we were children we wore play clothes - climbed trees and rolled on the grass and jumped in puddles! very dirty happy children we all were.
To me you've missed the points she made, but the reply was appreciated.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #311 on: February 20, 2018, 01:19:02 AM »
My communication with Karen Sisson is continuing at this stage.  She actually offered some comment about the adults that were with the girl she thought was Madeleine McCann.
"This photo of Adrian and his wife Jan look like older versions of the couple I saw at the campsite." https://scontent.fakl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/28233122_1784103254941943_168826273_n.jpg?oh=1467c528820325daac4b055d59f2ee6f&oe=5A8D6A91
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #312 on: February 21, 2018, 09:42:23 AM »
My communication with Karen Sisson is continuing at this stage.  She actually offered some comment about the adults that were with the girl she thought was Madeleine McCann.
"This photo of Adrian and his wife Jan look like older versions of the couple I saw at the campsite." https://scontent.fakl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/28233122_1784103254941943_168826273_n.jpg?oh=1467c528820325daac4b055d59f2ee6f&oe=5A8D6A91

Adrian and Jan who?
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Re: Does anyone know more about this sighting? Costa-del-Sol
« Reply #313 on: February 21, 2018, 10:48:13 AM »
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