Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Angelo222]

waht about other body fluids in the training regime

you make a clain and have no cite...you say grime confirmed cadaver then you change it to within training regime...your claim ..imo...therfore has no credibility..

I have a quote from grime saying its possible the alert was to cadaver...Harrison says something similar...both say the alerts ahve no evidential vlue...I have a cite for all that....mine can all be confirmed...yours cannot

Grime is legally constrained as to what he could and can say publicly in this case but he is the dog expert who trained Eddie so was best placed to know if any alert was significant.  It is my understanding that he believes the dog did alert to a cadaver related odour.  Where that odour came from however was the subject of a long debate previously.

[Mr Gray]

Grime is legally constrained as to what he could and can say publicly in this case but he is the dog expert who trained Eddie so was best placed to know if any alert was significant.  It is my understanding that he believes the dog did alert to a cadaver related odour.  Where that odour came from however was the subject of a long debate previously.

It's not really important... We have several statements from Grime and Harrison...
No cite no credibility... Imo

[kizzy]

It's not really important... We have several statements from Grime and Harrison...
No cite no credibility... Imo

Can not believe how you can think -  the dogs failed....or Martin Grime.

Probably posted before, but interesting all the same.


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/martin-grime-and-eddie-and-keela-t35.html

[Brietta]

Whoever thinks it might is clutching at straws in my opinion;

This ensures that the dog disregards the 'bacon sandwich' and 'kebab' etc that is ever present in the background environment. Therefore the dog would remain efficient searching for a cadaver in a café where the clientele were sat
eating bacon sandwiches.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

The dog did grab food from a kitchen in his mouth and run with it until reprimanded during the filmed inspection of the apartments, though.
May not have been a bacon sandwich ... but it was in his mouth as was CC in the villa and as were items of Kate and Sean's clothing in the gymnasium.  So if we can see what grabs his attention it equals nothing?  But if we cannot see what grabs his attention it equals 'cadaver scent'?

Hmmm ... I think there may be a big dose of 'emperor' and 'new clothes' coming on there ... to say nothing of Zampo.

[Mr Gray]

Can not believe how you can think -  the dogs failed....or Martin Grime.

Probably posted before, but interesting all the same.


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/martin-grime-and-eddie-and-keela-t35.html

I have never said either failed... Just failed to find any evidence

SY agree Maddie may still be alive or may be dead... Which is the same situation without any alerts

[kizzy]

I have never said either failed... Just failed to find any evidence

SY agree Maddie may still be alive or may be dead... Which is the same situation without any alerts

The same situation as in - no evidence of abduction, either.

With a lot more searching than 2 dogs. not to mention the millions spent.

Its like when you think about it, you cant  misunderstand evidence on abduction - because there is nothing.

[Angelo222]

It's not really important... We have several statements from Grime and Harrison...
No cite no credibility... Imo

Sorry but I am unable to share my emails with you for obvious reasons.

[Mr Gray]

Sorry but I am unable to share my emails with you for obvious reasons.

I'm not really interested.... There, enough in the public domain to understand the dogs and the alerts...without a cite your claim is worthless

[misty]

The same situation as in - no evidence of abduction, either.

With a lot more searching than 2 dogs. not to mention the millions spent.

Its like when you think about it, you cant  misunderstand evidence on abduction - because there is nothing.

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/manhunt-underway-as-madeleine-mccann-seen-in-paraguay/news-story/5c6e499bc67915955743cb1e939bea92

March 2016
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Despite the latest ‘sighting’ being discredited, it is still understood to have sparked an investigation.

Commissioner Sanny Amarilla, Deputy Chief of one of the police stations hunting for Maddie, confirmed four stations in Areguá, intelligence personnel from the Interior Ministry and local Interpol divisions are looking for the young girl.

He said: “We are investigating neighbourhoods where there are foreign citizens, villas, condos, to see if there is someone with a similar description that corresponds to the newspaper clipping.

“This news stretches across the globe, it is very important. So if they are in the area we need to find this girl and return her to her family.”
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Interpol don't look for dead children. Clearly there is evidence Madeleine was abducted - we just don't know what it is.

[Mr Gray]

Sorry but I am unable to share my emails with you for obvious reasons.

As I've said before it would be extremely  unprofessional of Grime to share information Re, an on-going case... And you have repeated his supposed opinion... I find the whole thing unrealistic... I think you've been had

[G-Unit]

The dog did grab food from a kitchen in his mouth and run with it until reprimanded during the filmed inspection of the apartments, though.
May not have been a bacon sandwich ... but it was in his mouth as was CC in the villa and as were items of Kate and Sean's clothing in the gymnasium.  So if we can see what grabs his attention it equals nothing?  But if we cannot see what grabs his attention it equals 'cadaver scent'?

Hmmm ... I think there may be a big dose of 'emperor' and 'new clothes' coming on there ... to say nothing of Zampo.

Most dogs, like people, take food in their mouths in order to eat it. They're unlikely to take non-food items in their mouths for the same reason. In my opinion that's more likely to be connected to the dog's vomeronasal organ.
https://www.dailydogdiscoveries.com/dogs-vomeronasal-organ/

[faithlilly]

The dog did grab food from a kitchen in his mouth and run with it until reprimanded during the filmed inspection of the apartments, though.
May not have been a bacon sandwich ... but it was in his mouth as was CC in the villa and as were items of Kate and Sean's clothing in the gymnasium.  So if we can see what grabs his attention it equals nothing?  But if we cannot see what grabs his attention it equals 'cadaver scent'?

Hmmm ... I think there may be a big dose of 'emperor' and 'new clothes' coming on there ... to say nothing of Zampo.

It is the alert which is important. Did Eddie alert to the foodstuff in his mouth before picking it up ?

[Mr Gray]

It is the alert which is important. Did Eddie alert to the foodstuff in his mouth before picking it up ?

the alerts..this is what I find strange...and what the pj found strange too..


u) From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

v) If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

so not just CC but most of the alerts

[faithlilly]

the alerts..this is what I find strange...and what the pj found strange too..


u) From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

v) If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

so not just CC but most of the alerts

Could you provide context for those questions please ?

[Mr Gray]

Could you provide context for those questions please ?

You mean you haven't seen  them before... 2 min

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm