Where is the alert on Cuddle Cat happening and is it on video?

[Robittybob1]

My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Ok shall we all accept that the EVRD's alert indications are suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant?
Suggestive but not proven, not proven who, what happened or when.

[Mr Gray]

Getting on toward 11 yrs it seems enough to vex thee though.

Doesn't vex me at al I enjoy pointing out where posters have strong opinions are based on things, that are untrue.... I enjoy proving those who contradict me wrong

[G-Unit]

You have misunderstood his opinion.. He states the alerts are suggestive of cadaver odour not are cadaver odour...

You said independent  scientific testing... What you have quoted IS NOT... who does the testing?

Scent on a couple of gauze pads is NOT scientific testing

I'm happy with Grimes expert opinion... The alerts have no evidential  value

Suggestive means? Indicative, signifying, giving an inkling.

If control samples are included with no scent on them that is using scientific methodology.

You missed out the caveat;

no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

unless means 'except if'.

[Mr Gray]

Ok shall we all accept that the EVRD's alert indications are suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant?
Suggestive but not proven, not proven who, what happened or when.

What we are discussing is the false claims, Re grimes opinion... In his, statement grime says it's possible the dog alerted to cadaver... Just possible... Yet G wants to claim his opinion is that they did

[Brietta]

I think it is more to create another myth of the unreliable search dog.

In my opinion on his visit to Haute de la Garenne Eddie proved that he can indeed find items that his training encompassed.

• blood and or semen
• very old bones
• location of scattered remains from a cremation
• JAR/6

What it is impossible for him to find in a search area is something which was never there in the first place; for example in the footage from Luz we saw him take an interest in an item from kitchen refuse and a key fob but neither there or in Haute de la Garenne did he find evidence to support the theories which brought him to those locations.

[Mr Gray]

Suggestive means? Indicative, signifying, giving an inkling.

If control samples are included with no scent on them that is using scientific methodology.

You missed out the caveat;

no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

unless means 'except if'.

I believe  grime carries out the tests so they are not independent.... And the tests, are not scientific

And... If you try substituting.. If.. for unless you will find the sentence makes no sense at all

[G-Unit]

Doesn't vex me at al I enjoy pointing out where posters have strong opinions are based on things, that are untrue.... I enjoy proving those who contradict me wrong

The only person who thinks you've proved anyone wrong is you, in my opinion. Perhaps you should turn your attention to the real myth creators and dispel their fanciful suggestions about bacon sandwiches and pork chops?

[barrier]

What we are discussing is the false claims, Re grimes opinion... In his, statement grime says it's possible the dog alerted to cadaver... Just possible... Yet G wants to claim his opinion is that they did

No disrespect Davel to you or any one else,but look at the forum stats now,blue posters equal regular posters 1 hidden and maybe 20 guest's where once they were in the hundreds,people are tired of it all.
Granted theres nothing new but raking over old ground to score points doesn't show the forum at its best imo,maybe that's for a new thread.

[Mr Gray]

The only person who thinks you've proved anyone wrong is you, in my opinion. Perhaps you should turn your attention to the real myth creators and dispel their fanciful suggestions about bacon sandwiches and pork chops?

you have claimed grime s opinion is that cavaer odour triggered the alert...Ive shown that is false

you claimed the tests were indeendent...false...scientific,...false

[Mr Gray]

No disrespect Davel to you or any one else,but look at the forum stats now,blue posters equal regular posters 1 hidden and maybe 20 guest's where once they were in the hundreds,people are tired of it all.
Granted theres nothing new but raking over old ground to score points doesn't show the forum at its best imo,maybe that's for a new thread.

what are you suggesting...if peopel are tired hen they dont have to read and post...im not bothered...why are you still posting....

[Brietta]

I believe  grime carries out the tests so they are not independent.... And the tests, are not scientific

Haven't time to look for a cite at the moment ... but isn't Martin Grime on record when challenged that his dogs were no longer accredited either in Luz or Jersey that his training methods were far more frequent and stringent than required?

Morse for example had a proven independent track record without which indications from him would not have been considered by the courts in the USA ... so independent verifiable assessment is important.

[Robittybob1]

Suggestive means? Indicative, signifying, giving an inkling.

If control samples are included with no scent on them that is using scientific methodology.

You missed out the caveat;

no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

unless means 'except if'.

So you are saying the same thing.  There needs to be corroborating evidence.
If Madeleine's DNA was found on CC what would that mean?  Is that corroborating evidence?

I am surprised that there was not more effort to locate the source of the alerts in the dining room.  There appeared to me to be something on the bench.  What could have been on the far side of the table?

[barrier]

what are you suggesting...if peopel are tired hen they dont have to read and post...im not bothered...why are you still posting....

Just expressing an opinion.
There are non so blind than those who will not see.
Try as I might I just can't see a admin or mod logo on your avatar.

[Eleanor]

This is a Discussion Forum where everyone has the right to an opinion, if phrased according to the rules.

Moderators also have the right to an opinion similarly expressed.

What colour is displayed is simply a mark of status.  But someone has to decide if a comment is acceptable, according to the rules.

As it is, Moderators are very careful, as I know, and possibly some don't want to know.

There is a Report System which isn't often used by ordinary members, so I can only conclude that there isn't much dissension.

Moderators have to report everything they do, which then comes under the scrutiny of Admin.  The system on this forum couldn't be much more fair.

[Brietta]

So you are saying the same thing.  There needs to be corroborating evidence.
If Madeleine's DNA was found on CC what would that mean?  Is that corroborating evidence?

I am surprised that there was not more effort to locate the source of the alerts in the dining room.  There appeared to me to be something on the bench.  What could have been on the far side of the table?

I would have been amazed if Madeleine's DNA hadn't been on CC.  She slept with the toy.  Latterly I have no doubt canine DNA would have been found on it too.
Eddie did pick up evidence in his mouth before discarding it as being of no interest to him then walking past it ignoring it every time.  In my opinion that was well outwith his training parameters as well as proving that whatever Eddie alerted to in the villa, it was not CC.