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Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2018, 08:44:52 PM »
Michael Burke continues:
"I thought of the allegation Michelle has made and felt a little uneasy.

.. but it made me think that what Michelle had said was not very wise. She was safely at home in Cork, while my family had to live in London, and I would be travelling over and back alone for the foreseeable future.

Relations between some members of my family became strained as most felt that as Barry was convicted and appealed we should leave it as that. But I was convinced the conviction was unsafe.

I accepted that there was a possibility that Barry was the man, but the evidence used to convict him was unconvincing.

In late October I sent a strongly worded letter to MOJO complaining about their tactics
. By now the website was taking shape, and I was involved in a struggle as to what direction it should take. The webmaster Mick Lynch wanted to portray Barry as innocent but I insisted we should question the safety of the conviction, rather than call it a Miscarriage of Justice. I wanted people to judge for themselves and in the end I won out.

What "tactics?"
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Offline Stephanie

« Last Edit: October 09, 2018, 11:15:55 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #107 on: October 10, 2018, 11:42:43 AM »
I've already answered your questions.

My doubts remain, mainly due to how it (the case) has been presented in the media and by whom it has been presented.

"But the High Court ruled he did not qualify because jurors could still reasonably have convicted him despite new evidence that led to his acquittal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21195269

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n7rgj

What is Bates referring to re the Daily Mirror reporting? And from what newspapers did George win damages?
Reporter 'offered to sell names of victims'
"A FORMER police officer in the Jonathan King case who is now a TV documentary reporter offered to sell the names of the pop mogul’s victims, according to a judge.
Investigative reporter Mark Williams-Thomas, who made his name in a documentary exposing Jimmy Savile, has claimed to have solved a number of high-profile cases, including the murder of TV host Jill Dando.
But yesterday his professional reputation was called into question after Judge Deborah Taylor delivered a withering assessment of his previous work for Surrey Police on the King case. Before he left the force in October 2000 Mr Williams-Thomas was the detective who interviewed the first man to accuse King of sexual assault. He was subsequently accused – and acquitted – of blackmail in an unrelated case.
Yesterday the judge said: ‘ During the investigation into that offence a document was found on his computer offering for sale names and introductions to victims of Mr King.
‘There was also information that prior to Mr King’s arrest, Williams-Thomas said that he had been provided by a journalist with information about King. Williams-Thomas left taking his contemporaneous notebooks of his involvement with inquiries into Mr King with him.
‘No attempts had been made to obtain them, although it is the Crown’s position that he should not have taken them with him as they were the property of Surrey Police.’
The judge added that it had been suggested ‘there was deliberate concealment of his previous prosecution and of the documents indicating attempts to gain financial advantage from selling details of Mr King’s case’. Yesterday Mr Williams-Thomas denied ever knowing the victims’ identities, or offering them for sale.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20180807/281732680305413
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 12:37:03 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #108 on: October 10, 2018, 12:31:01 PM »
.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n7rgj

What is Bates referring to re the Daily Mirror reporting?

Oh, does she mean this?

"How police failed to trace 100 suspects in the Jill Dando murder - but questioned Cliff Richard and Jeremy Paxman to find out about her life https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017544/How-police-failed-trace-100-suspects-Jill-Dando-murder-questioned-Cliff-Richard-Jeremy-Paxman-life.html

"Mark Williams-Thomas, the criminologist who helped expose Jimmy Savile as one of Britain's worst paedophiles, said today 'I have no doubt that the name of the killer or the person that arranged the 'professional hit' on is contained within the files'.

Imagine if it turned out to be Barry George all along?
« Last Edit: October 10, 2018, 12:41:52 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #109 on: October 10, 2018, 08:15:37 PM »
"But his Irish sister – who recently launched an appeal for witnesses to
help her brother – said last night that although the family had
investigated the possibility of him doing one, they have been advised by
doctors against it.

Speaking from her Cork home, Michelle Diskin said: “We have thought
about it and taken medical advice but we have been told a lie test
wouldn’t work properly because of the condition he is in.

He has suffered brain damage as a result of his years of having
epilepsy and it was main reason why he didn’t take the stand in his own
defence at his trail.


“It’s not so much that a lie test wouldn’t work, but it’s more that it
would have a better chance of not working properly because of his
condition and then Barry would just end up in a worse position than he
already is.
https://randomirishnews.com/2006/04/21/jill-dando-killer-barry-george-too-sick-for-lie-test/


"During medical examinations before his trial, it was discovered that George had suffered severe brain damage from a physical injury while in his 20s. Michelle says he does not know how it occurred, although she conjectures that perhaps it was something to do with his 'Steve Majors' phase
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-135212/My-brother-didnt-kill-Jill.html#ixzz5DQUKMFv4

"Research carried out by The Disabilities Trust Foundation shows nearly half of prisoners (47%) have a history of traumatic brain injury (TBI). https://www.thedtgroup.org/foundation/brain-injury-and-offending#LEE
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #110 on: October 11, 2018, 12:33:38 PM »
Reporter 'offered to sell names of victims'
"A FORMER police officer in the Jonathan King case who is now a TV documentary reporter offered to sell the names of the pop mogul’s victims, according to a judge.
Investigative reporter Mark Williams-Thomas, who made his name in a documentary exposing Jimmy Savile, has claimed to have solved a number of high-profile cases, including the murder of TV host Jill Dando.
But yesterday his professional reputation was called into question after Judge Deborah Taylor delivered a withering assessment of his previous work for Surrey Police on the King case. Before he left the force in October 2000 Mr Williams-Thomas was the detective who interviewed the first man to accuse King of sexual assault. He was subsequently accused – and acquitted – of blackmail in an unrelated case.
Yesterday the judge said: ‘ During the investigation into that offence a document was found on his computer offering for sale names and introductions to victims of Mr King.
‘There was also information that prior to Mr King’s arrest, Williams-Thomas said that he had been provided by a journalist with information about King. Williams-Thomas left taking his contemporaneous notebooks of his involvement with inquiries into Mr King with him.
‘No attempts had been made to obtain them, although it is the Crown’s position that he should not have taken them with him as they were the property of Surrey Police.’
The judge added that it had been suggested ‘there was deliberate concealment of his previous prosecution and of the documents indicating attempts to gain financial advantage from selling details of Mr King’s case’. Yesterday Mr Williams-Thomas denied ever knowing the victims’ identities, or offering them for sale.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20180807/281732680305413

Jill Dando murder: Ex policeman claims he has the name of professional hitman who killed her
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jill-dandos-killer-finally-found-13020582
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 12:36:16 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #111 on: October 11, 2018, 02:32:12 PM »
"......... In fact he told Merrion by e-mail he was ‘keen to be involved’ as he started the Jonathan King investigation, which actually started after he left the force and was investigated by other officers.
Merrion thought MWT would be useful as an ex Surrey officer to find out if they had carried out an investigation into Saville. MWT agreed to ‘dig around’… it’s all in the Pollard Review
.

Newsnight visited the headquarters of Interpol in Lyon with Mark Willams Thomas, a criminologist and former child protection detective.
In the agency's Victim Identification Suite, Interpol officers demonstrated how central databases and international co-operation can aid rapid identification.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9532058.stm

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/dec/24/newsnight-researcher-bbc

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/may/03/bbc-newsnight-jimmy-savile-report

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/our_work/pollard_review/pollard_review.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/may/29/bbc-newsnight-liz-mackean-channel-4

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/may/29/bbc-newsnight-liz-mackean-channel-4

Was Mark Williams Thomas involvement in this case designed to manipulate?

"Mark Williams-Thomas, who now works as a TV investigator, said in an exclusive interview with the Daily Mirror that she died at the orders of a Mr Big to warn off others from probing a crime clan.

He said: "My theory is that Jill was gunned down on the orders of a London underworld Mr Big to send out a direct, bloody message to others: "Do not take on organised crime."

Mr Williams-Thomas found an intelligence report naming two men from Islington, North London, who were said to be acting for one of the capital's biggest crime families after examined more than 52,000 documents in the Dando Files.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/jill-dando-shot-dead-because-2503
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 03:31:34 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #112 on: October 11, 2018, 04:21:27 PM »
"The collapse of Jonathan King’s trial raises questions about Surrey Police that go beyond disclosure failures"
http://barristerblogger.com/2018/08/08/the-collapse-of-jonathan-kings-trial-raises-questions-about-surrey-police-that-go-beyond-disclosure-failures/

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mark_williams_thomas

http://barthsnotes.com/2018/08/09/jonathan-king-and-mark-williams-thomas-some-media-notes/

Murder victims Grandson accuses Mark Williams Thomas of "Predatory actions"
http://barthsnotes.com/2018/08/16/murder-victims-grandson-accuses-mark-williams-thomas-of-predatory-actions/


 Michelle Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@neill_bob
,
@CommonsJustice
 and
@cpsuk
Don’t let Alison Saunders make this about rape cases. Non disclosure in OTHER cases, too. Dando/George case, I have the letters to prove that. Jeremy Bamber case is an abomination. Noncompliance by police, they refuse to disclose evidence.
@Bambertweets
 
@tru68
 
@michaeljnaughto
7:36 am · 27 Jan 2018
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/957155274485219328
« Last Edit: October 11, 2018, 05:54:10 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2018, 11:01:44 AM »
Are you a victim of a genuine miscarriage of justice?
"In recent months, I have been working with the multi award winning investigative reporter, Mark Williams-Thomas, best known for his extraordinary investigative work leading to the exposure of Jimmy Savile. He has investigated, reviewed and reported on many of the biggest crime stories including: The Alps murders, Tia Sharp murder, Claudia Lawrence murder and the murder of Alice Gross, together with his work on the Oscar Pistorius trial in South Africa. His work has led to numerous awards, including two Royal Television Society Awards, a Broadcasting Press Guild Award and an International Peabody Award. He is also BAFTA nominated.

Mark is a highly skilled crime investigator. He has reviewed a number of high profile cases. He has a tenacious and meticulous approach to the cases he reviews, an approach which is seldom matched even by lawyers and those working in the criminal justice system. Mark’s reputation is built on his many successes and he has shown that he is not afraid to take on the establishment and uncover the truth.

Although much of Mark’s worked has focused on detecting crime, he has also reviewed many miscarriages of justice and is currently actively involved in some high-profile reviews with a view to reversing wrongful convictions and establishing the truth. As an example, he has worked on trying to assist Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of Jill Dando, and with his quest to obtain the justice it is strongly felt he deserves by getting compensation for having served a 9 year sentence for a crime he did not commit. He has been involved in a review of the disappearance of the Malaysian flight MH370 and is actively reviewing the murder conviction of a young dentist believed to have been wrongly convicted. It is no secret that Mark is a former police officer, but this has simply served to strengthen his ability to consider matters from both defence and prosecution perspectives when reviewing a case, which can only assist when looking at cases involving substantial injustice.

What is clear from Mark’s involvement in a case is not just his unrivalled approach to establishing what needs to be done to establish the truth, but how he achieves it. He has an extraordinary ability of understanding complex cases and establishing what went wrong at trial, and more importantly, what needs to be done. You only have to look at the resistance he must have faced when delving into the deep and murky world of Jimmy Savile when acknowledging just how successful he can be at uncovering the truth.

The significance of all this is that Mark and I have agreed to join forces with a view to reviewing 5 or so genuine miscarriages of justice. The cases we are looking to review need not be high profile, or even complex factually or legally, but simply where it is felt that with a further more detailed investigation, the truth can be exposed. It may be that various lines of enquiry need to be pursued which were perhaps considered not possible previously. This could be because witnesses would not come forward or could not be traced. It may be a case where there is a new theory to be explored as to who committed a crime that has resulted in the wrong person being convicted. It may be that enquiries need to be made of third parties who may hold and possess information that casts considerable doubt on the safety of a conviction. It may be that witnesses are out there who can be traced with a little digging who know the truth but simply need to be found. Equally, there may be concerns about a case that is still subject to an enquiry, and if charged a forensic investigation of the evidence leading to the charging decision may also be of great significance. As has been shown over the years, many overturned convictions in the court of appeal have resulted from a proper review of the unused evidence schedule. Many will know that this is a document prepared by the police and is often misleading, inaccurate or simply fails completely to record the full extent of an investigation. Lack of disclosure is a very common ground for appeal.

Mark and I will review the selected cases to uncover the fresh evidence that is needed to overturn a conviction. In addition, it may be that enquiries are received from suspects under investigation for serious offences where corruption or malpractice is alleged. It may be that our assistance in those cases and our intervention at an early stage can prevent wrongful conviction.

At first instance, those who wish to be considered for this should express their interest initially by writing to David Wells, Wells Burcombe. https://insidetime.org/are-you-a-victim-of-a-genuine-miscarriage-of-justice/

Michelle (Diskin) Bates says:
30th August 2017 at 8:45 am
A great great teaming. Miscarriage of justice victims need strong support and experienced, structured assistance to fight their convictions. Good luck with the new venture.
Michelle
(Barry George’s sister)


Cass says:
28th September 2017 at 2:42 pm
"I’m surprised David that as a qualified Solicitor and Barrister who has worked on some high profile cases that you haven’t done your homework on Mark Williams Thomas.
A bit of research will tell you that he was only a Detective for a year in Surrey then left, though I have heard he jumped before he was pushed.
He is not an expert in child protection, and a Masters in criminology, with no other post grad degree, doesn’t make him an expert in that field either.
His various CV’s about investigating or leading high profile cases are I would argue also untrue as Senior officers lead investigations.
Credit due for his dogged work in the Saville case, but he was invited on board by Merrion Jones after a lot of ground work was done. In fact he told Merrion by e-mail he was ‘keen to be involved’ as he started the Jonathan King investigation, which actually started after he left the force and was investigated by other officers.
Merrion thought MWT would be useful as an ex Surrey officer to find out if they had carried out an investigation into Saville. MWT agreed to ‘dig around’… it’s all in the Pollard Review.
As for ‘The Investigator’ the show revealed nothing that wasn’t already in the public domain and was edited to make MWT look good. It’s all in the Court of Appeal decision at http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2003/1840.html
Anyway I don’t wish to harp on, but I often wonder if those who purport to be what they are not actually have a strong belief in justice for others…. or simply a desire to boost their own ego and line their own pockets.
Purporting to those who have suffered the loss of loved ones to be a seasoned and experienced investigator is not for me in the interests of justice. It is called giving false hope… as he did in the Investigator.
If David, as MWT said himself, you ‘dig around’, you’ll come to see he’s not all that he purports to be. In fact why not ask him face to face and see what he says. He knows what it’s like to be grilled after standing trial for Blackmail and being found not guilty.


"Adding fuel to the fire was a British former policeman and TV celebrity, Mark Williams-Thomas, who made the 2012 TV documentary which exposed the crimes of Jimmy Savile. Working with UK lawyer David Wells, he travelled to KL and compiled – at a cost of £8,000 – an unofficial report for Ivana’s family. Last week Wells issued a press release, headlined: ‘Model’s fatal fall was no accident, conclude St Albans solicitor and private investigator duo.’ They say they have ‘no doubt’ that in Britain, Ivana’s death would be treated as homicide. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20180401/281822874356022
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 11:16:03 AM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2018, 11:56:32 AM »
Are you a victim of a genuine miscarriage of justice?
"In recent months, I have been working with the multi award winning investigative reporter, Mark Williams-Thomas, best known for his extraordinary investigative work leading to the exposure of Jimmy Savile. He has investigated, reviewed and reported on many of the biggest crime stories including: The Alps murders, Tia Sharp murder, Claudia Lawrence murder and the murder of Alice Gross, together with his work on the Oscar Pistorius trial in South Africa. His work has led to numerous awards, including two Royal Television Society Awards, a Broadcasting Press Guild Award and an International Peabody Award. He is also BAFTA nominated.

Mark is a highly skilled crime investigator. He has reviewed a number of high profile cases. He has a tenacious and meticulous approach to the cases he reviews, an approach which is seldom matched even by lawyers and those working in the criminal justice system. Mark’s reputation is built on his many successes and he has shown that he is not afraid to take on the establishment and uncover the truth.

Although much of Mark’s worked has focused on detecting crime, he has also reviewed many miscarriages of justice and is currently actively involved in some high-profile reviews with a view to reversing wrongful convictions and establishing the truth. As an example, he has worked on trying to assist Barry George, wrongly convicted of the murder of Jill Dando, and with his quest to obtain the justice it is strongly felt he deserves by getting compensation for having served a 9 year sentence for a crime he did not commit. He has been involved in a review of the disappearance of the Malaysian flight MH370 and is actively reviewing the murder conviction of a young dentist believed to have been wrongly convicted. It is no secret that Mark is a former police officer, but this has simply served to strengthen his ability to consider matters from both defence and prosecution perspectives when reviewing a case, which can only assist when looking at cases involving substantial injustice.

What is clear from Mark’s involvement in a case is not just his unrivalled approach to establishing what needs to be done to establish the truth, but how he achieves it. He has an extraordinary ability of understanding complex cases and establishing what went wrong at trial, and more importantly, what needs to be done. You only have to look at the resistance he must have faced when delving into the deep and murky world of Jimmy Savile when acknowledging just how successful he can be at uncovering the truth.

The significance of all this is that Mark and I have agreed to join forces with a view to reviewing 5 or so genuine miscarriages of justice. The cases we are looking to review need not be high profile, or even complex factually or legally, but simply where it is felt that with a further more detailed investigation, the truth can be exposed. It may be that various lines of enquiry need to be pursued which were perhaps considered not possible previously. This could be because witnesses would not come forward or could not be traced. It may be a case where there is a new theory to be explored as to who committed a crime that has resulted in the wrong person being convicted. It may be that enquiries need to be made of third parties who may hold and possess information that casts considerable doubt on the safety of a conviction. It may be that witnesses are out there who can be traced with a little digging who know the truth but simply need to be found. Equally, there may be concerns about a case that is still subject to an enquiry, and if charged a forensic investigation of the evidence leading to the charging decision may also be of great significance. As has been shown over the years, many overturned convictions in the court of appeal have resulted from a proper review of the unused evidence schedule. Many will know that this is a document prepared by the police and is often misleading, inaccurate or simply fails completely to record the full extent of an investigation. Lack of disclosure is a very common ground for appeal.

Mark and I will review the selected cases to uncover the fresh evidence that is needed to overturn a conviction. In addition, it may be that enquiries are received from suspects under investigation for serious offences where corruption or malpractice is alleged. It may be that our assistance in those cases and our intervention at an early stage can prevent wrongful conviction.

At first instance, those who wish to be considered for this should express their interest initially by writing to David Wells, Wells Burcombe.
https://insidetime.org/are-you-a-victim-of-a-genuine-miscarriage-of-justice/

Michelle (Diskin) Bates says:
30th August 2017 at 8:45 am
A great great teaming. Miscarriage of justice victims need strong support and experienced, structured assistance to fight their convictions. Good luck with the new venture.
Michelle
(Barry George’s sister)


Cass says:
28th September 2017 at 2:42 pm
"I’m surprised David that as a qualified Solicitor and Barrister who has worked on some high profile cases that you haven’t done your homework on Mark Williams Thomas.
A bit of research will tell you that he was only a Detective for a year in Surrey then left, though I have heard he jumped before he was pushed.
He is not an expert in child protection, and a Masters in criminology, with no other post grad degree, doesn’t make him an expert in that field either.
His various CV’s about investigating or leading high profile cases are I would argue also untrue as Senior officers lead investigations.
Credit due for his dogged work in the Saville case, but he was invited on board by Merrion Jones after a lot of ground work was done. In fact he told Merrion by e-mail he was ‘keen to be involved’ as he started the Jonathan King investigation, which actually started after he left the force and was investigated by other officers.
Merrion thought MWT would be useful as an ex Surrey officer to find out if they had carried out an investigation into Saville. MWT agreed to ‘dig around’… it’s all in the Pollard Review.
As for ‘The Investigator’ the show revealed nothing that wasn’t already in the public domain and was edited to make MWT look good. It’s all in the Court of Appeal decision at http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2003/1840.html
Anyway I don’t wish to harp on, but I often wonder if those who purport to be what they are not actually have a strong belief in justice for others…. or simply a desire to boost their own ego and line their own pockets.
Purporting to those who have suffered the loss of loved ones to be a seasoned and experienced investigator is not for me in the interests of justice. It is called giving false hope… as he did in the Investigator.
If David, as MWT said himself, you ‘dig around’, you’ll come to see he’s not all that he purports to be. In fact why not ask him face to face and see what he says. He knows what it’s like to be grilled after standing trial for Blackmail and being found not guilty.


"Adding fuel to the fire was a British former policeman and TV celebrity, Mark Williams-Thomas, who made the 2012 TV documentary which exposed the crimes of Jimmy Savile. Working with UK lawyer David Wells, he travelled to KL and compiled – at a cost of £8,000 – an unofficial report for Ivana’s family. Last week Wells issued a press release, headlined: ‘Model’s fatal fall was no accident, conclude St Albans solicitor and private investigator duo.’ They say they have ‘no doubt’ that in Britain, Ivana’s death would be treated as homicide. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20180401/281822874356022
"Barry George had a gun pressed to his head and was told “watch your back” shortly after he was acquitted of BBC star Jill Dando’s murder.

He believes the threat came from somebody linked to the killing of the Crimewatch presenter in 1999.

Making a rare return to the street where he was living at the time, Barry, 58, adds that after one wrongful conviction he fears police will arrest him for ­something else he did not do.

Despite being acquitted 10 years ago he says he does “not feel free” and is “looking over my shoulder”.

After being found guilty in 2001 of murdering Jill, Barry was cleared at a retrial in 2008.

He was living in Hackney, East London, the following year when the chilling threat was made.

Barry says: “When I was in emergency accommodation in Hackney, I was stood in a long hallway and I had a gun put to my head and was told ‘Watch your back

“I went to the police station and told them and they gave me lip service. I was living in fear.

“There were two things in my mind: I’ve been acquitted of this crime and then I get a gun to my head.

“There was talk of a Serbian hit team involved in Jill’s killing.

“We think it must have been someone who had a link to the murder. It’s too much of a coincidence.” He added: “I didn’t get a look at them.”

The Met police confirmed a man then in his 40s reported an incident in Hack­ney in May 2009, but were unable to give full details of the probe.

David Wells, a criminal defence specialist at Wells Burcombe Solicitors, accompanied Barry to the police station to report the threat.

David said
: “He was incredibly distressed... sweating, out of breath and in quite a state.

“I’d seen Barry on many occasions and I had never seen him this distressed.

“Barry repeated that someone pointed a gun at him and made a threat – he appeared highly credible.

"He was very afraid. It could well have been someone linked to the murder of Jill Dando.

“It does seem unlikely someone would randomly select Barry out of millions in London and threaten him and put a gun to his head after his acquittal...

"If indeed it was rated as a serious complaint and investigated by police, nothing came of it

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gunman-told-barry-george-watch-12932133
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 12:03:56 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2018, 12:37:14 PM »
Michelle Bate's:
"More men have since joined us and, as a group we have planned a protest to coincide with day one of the Magna Carta 800 year commemoration, which takes place at Westminster on 23rd February.
The Magna Carta enshrines ‘Justice for all’, but we will be highlighting the fact that there is no justice for the little man
https://www.thejusticegap.com/innocent-innocent-enough/

"Mr George, along with three other men who have had their convictions quashed - Victor Nealon, Martin Foran and James Boyle - will protest later outside a global law summit taking place in central London.
The government introduced new legislation in 2014 which made changes to the compensation scheme, creating a statutory definition of what constitutes a "miscarriage of justice".
Now compensation is only paid when the court quashes a conviction because a new fact has emerged to show beyond reasonable doubt that the applicant did not commit the offence.
In an interview with Radio 5 live Breakfast, Mr George's sister Michelle Bates said: "In the British justice system you are innocent until proven guilty.
"To say that Barry should prove his innocence after his conviction was quashed is ridiculous. There is no court in the land where you can prove your innocence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31578422

James Boyle
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/group-say-rutherglen-man-should-8925437

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13085281.Classroom_watchdog_finds_teacher_guilty_of_rape/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20769477

https://stv.tv/news/west-central/206463-ex-teacher-cleared-of-rape-and-sex-abuse-fails-to-return-to-schools/
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 01:23:15 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2018, 02:12:24 PM »
Murder victims Grandson accuses Mark Williams Thomas of "Predatory actions"
http://barthsnotes.com/2018/08/16/murder-victims-grandson-accuses-mark-williams-thomas-of-predatory-actions/


 Michelle Bates
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@neill_bob
,
@CommonsJustice
 and
@cpsuk
Don’t let Alison Saunders make this about rape cases. Non disclosure in OTHER cases, too. Dando/George case, I have the letters to prove that. Jeremy Bamber case is an abomination. Noncompliance by police, they refuse to disclose evidence.
@Bambertweets
 
@tru68
 
@michaeljnaughto
7:36 am · 27 Jan 2018
https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/957155274485219328

Fanning the flames in the Ethical Vacuum.
by Anna Raccoon on November 30, 2012


‘It’s all the fault of the Internet’, cries the dead tree press. ‘We have to compete with them, and their wild landscape, and that has driven us to excesses we would never have thought of without their insane ramblings’.

Remarkable then, that Leveson has devoted 1973 pages to how the dead tree press should be behaving, and the nature of the naughty step that he thinks they should sit on when they fail to behave, and a mere 12 pages to the Internet that they claim to be aping in their rush to compete. The Internet is, Leveson says, an ‘ethical vacuum’, and as with the Curate’s egg, that is surely true in parts. Like Catholic priests, he believes the media should remain celibate, and foreswear the cyber pleasures. Theirs is a higher calling – that to inform, educate and entertain.

This morning, they are doing their best to do just that. To a man, they have eyed the excesses of ‘Rolf’ trending on Twitter, made their excuses and left, in time honoured fashion, pausing only to confirm that ‘an 80 year old man from Berkshire was interviewed under caution by appointment on matters not directly related to Savile’. Perfect – the Internet can do their dirty work for them, and they can merely slyly confirm that actually ‘it’ is on the right track, giving lofty credence to the rumours.

At a stroke, Leveson has ensured that in future the newspapers will behave – or face strict regulation to ensure that they do so. He has also ensured that it is the Internet which will be seen as the villain in the piece; the child that was left standing on the doorstep after the big boys had run away. Leveson claims that he was only mandated to look at the print media, not the Internet. Once the print media is behaving, assuming that this continues to happen as it has today, there will surely be renewed calls for a similar Inquiry into the Internet. Divide and Conquer.

That being said, we should look at who and why is busy fanning the flames in the Internet. Yesterday, whilst the Police were being suitably circumspect in giving information regarding the fact that ‘an 80 year old man’ had attended ‘an interview’ by appointment – which could be anything from, for instance, their role as Landlord of premises that might be of interest, to an allegation that had been made directly about them – ‘under caution’, which merely means that whatever they said was being formally recorded. The media followed in similar fashion.

However, someone, who self evidently didn’t get their information from either the media or officially from the Metropolitan Police, was very keen that the Internet should be given a new football to kick around. That someone was an ex-policeman.

(See link for screenshot)

Mark Williams-Thomas. A police constable who had finally climbed the greasy pole to get away from pounding the streets after 11 long years, and made it to Detective Constable – only to pack the job in a brief 12 months later. Mr Williams-Thomas claims to have ‘15 years in child protection‘ – the obvious inference from this statement, if not read in conjunction with his police record, would be that this was within a formal, professional environment such as the police. But he was only in the police for 12 years, and some of those would have been as a probationary PC. So a self made expert then?

When Mr Williams-Thomas first emerged from the police service, he described himself as a ‘freelance investigative journalist’. A much misunderstood ‘investigative journalist’, certainly misunderstood by one of his first subjects who was under the erroneous impression that Williams-Thomas was trying to blackmail him rather than document wrong doing within his organisation, a matter happily discharged by a jury.

A man who has since reinvented himself as a ‘child protection’ expert and talking head of choice to several TV stations whenever the issue of child abuse comes up. Madeleine McCann, Tia Sharp, Ashleigh Hall. A man who says he is all too well aware of the dangers to children posed by the Internet…and the need for, in his view, ‘policing’ of the Internet.

For the internet is full of people with sexually deviant desires – the level of danger goes way beyond even the most worried parent’s imagination.

Now why would someone who wants to see the Internet more effectively regulated and policed, ignore the restrained and professional behaviour of his ex-colleagues and the new found restraint of the print media – and, surely unintentionally, surely, be the cause of much possibly libellous chatter, speculation and gossip on the Internet by naming – and ‘hash-tagging’ with ‘Savile’ and ‘Sexual’ the mystery 80 year old as Rolf Harris?

The cynical amongst us, including myself, could almost believe that it was in such a persons interests to fan the flames in the ‘Ethical Vacuum’. Either that or he is a complete dipstick.

I can feel only sympathy for Rolf Harris – and his wife. We have absolutely no idea whatsoever why he was interviewed. It could have been as tenuous as having been named as an ‘alibi’ by someone else. At 80 years old though, at the end of his life, when he should have been reflecting with some satisfaction on his legacy, he is now subject to endless speculation on the Internet that he may be connected with such a vile practice as Paedophilia. Responsible people in the police and media gave him the benefit of the doubt pending concrete information, and chose not to link his name to Savile and the various allegations.

Mark Williams-Thomas didn’t.

‘Why not’? – is a question I shall ponder more over the coming weeks.

https://annaraccoon.com/2012/11/30/fanning-the-flames-in-the-ethical-vacuum/
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 02:16:24 PM by Stephanie »
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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2018, 03:22:09 PM »
Wonder what Barry George and his sister Michelle Bate's have to say about this nonsense?


DID SAVILE ORDER JILL DANDO’S MURDER?
She was going to expose him, says new book
November 2016

"JILL Dando was murdered on the orders of Jimmy Savile because the late Crimewatch presenter was just about to expose the meganonce’s vile crimes.
What’s more, the authorities KNEW that Savile was the ‘ Mr Big’ who ordered the hit but were powerless to act as the DJ and industrial scale kiddy- fiddler was protected by shadowy Establishment figures.
That is the chilling theory proposed by author John Gilchrist, who has spent the last two years researching links between Savile and Jill’s murder.
The 37- year- old TV presenter was shot dead on April 26, 1999, on the doorstep of her home in west London. The crime remains unsolved to this day.
In 2001, Barry George was wrongly convicted of the murder and spent seven years behind bars before he was freed on appeal.
Disgrace
John reckons that Mr George was set up as a “fall guy” to divert attention away from Savile, who died in 2011, aged 84.
The author said: “The whole case is tragic, chilling and a disgrace to Britain. It was particularly tragic for Barry George, who rotted in jail for years, wrongly convicted of killing Jill.”
John claims Jill was told that DJs, celebrities and other staff were involved in organised abuse and that Savile “topped the list”.
But an anonymous source told him that “no- one wanted to know” when Jill raised concerns about the alleged ring and other sexual abuse claims at the BBC.
The source is quoted by John as saying: “I think Jill was shocked by what she was told and made it her business to stop it.
“She was a woman on a mission – and that mission terrified Savile. Nobody at the BBC had stood up to him before.
“Savile considered sexually smearing Jill through his contacts in the media but that was a non- runner. Jill was too popular.
“She had to die… and it was Savile who gave the order.”
John says that Savile “called in a favour” from underworld pals, who blasted Jill to death on the doorstep of her home.
Theories about her death ranged from the culprit being a Serbian warlord angry over her TV appeal on behalf of Kosovan refugees, to British underworld enforcers who were furious at her
Crimewatch investigations. But the paedophile ring link appears to be the only one that still holds water.
John said: “It was a massive job to protect Savile from investigation but the people shielding him are among the most powerful in the land.
“Even with Savile dead, the cover- up continues – if details ever came out it would rock the government, the civil service, the courts… the lot.”
Meanwhile, a former Scotland Yard Flying Squad boss revealed his former colleagues ignored ‘ excellent leads’ into the unsolved murder of Jill Dando.
John O’Connor said: “I was given an excellent lead that was ignored.
“The Met did nothing with it. It was quite clear this was a pro hit by a trained assassin.
Witness
“The person identified was a significant and key witness. But the Met just shut its eyes to everything else, once they’d nicked poor Barry George.”
Mr O’Connor now wants Home Secretary Amber Rudd to look into the unsolved case.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: “The Metropolitan Police Service fully investigated the circumstances into the murder of Jill Dando.
“If any new information comes to our attention this will be investigated.”
Last year, it was revealed that more than 100 potential murder suspects who could have shot dead Jill Dando on her doorstep in a ‘ professional hit’ were never traced by police.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-sport/20161127/282626032287910



Jill Dando raised alarm about ‘paedophile ring at BBC’ - By JOHN CARR
00:01, Mon, Jul 21, 2014

"MURDERED television presenter Jill Dando tried to alert her bosses to a paedophile ring at the BBC ­involving “big name” stars, claims a former colleague.

"The friend and retired BBC worker said the late Crimewatch host was told DJs, celebrities and other staff were involved in organised abuse.

But the anonymous source says “no one wanted to know” when Miss Dando raised concerns about the alleged ring and other sexual abuse claims at the BBC.

She is said to have passed a file to senior management in the mid-1990s, but they never carried out an investigation.

The 37-year-old TV presenter was shot dead on April 26, 1999, on the doorstep of her home in west London. The crime remains unsolved.

The source said: “I don’t recall the names of all the stars now and don’t want to implicate anyone, but Jill said they were surprisingly big names.

“I think she was quite shocked when told about images of children and that information on how to join this horrible paedophile ring was freely available.

“Jill said others had complained to her about sexual matters and that some female workmates also claimed they had been groped or assaulted.

“Nothing had been done and there seemed to be a policy of turning a blind eye.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490169/Dando-alarm-paedophile-ring-BBC


"Knowing God Personally
The Christian Message to the Muslim World
By John Gilchrist

https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/gilchrist/knowing_god.html
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 03:44:46 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

Offline Stephanie

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2018, 04:15:34 PM »
Getting it wrong once was bad enough but Sandra Lean got it wrong twice that we definitely know about. She went to great lengths to campaign for killers Adrian Prout and Simon Hall yet both men eventually admitted their guilt. I for one would certainly question her judgement.

Michelle Bates involvement in the Bamber case is surprising given what we know about the conviction.  Jeremy Bamber is certainly no Barry George, the two cases couldn't be more different.

What surprises you about Michelle Bate's involvement with Jeremy Bamber?

You only need look at some of the other people she's been involved with to recognise it's not just Sandra Lean's judgement that's lacking.

(Wonder who'll be the first to post to remind me of the Simon Hall case?)
« Last Edit: October 15, 2018, 04:18:30 PM by Stephanie »
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"

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Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2018, 06:39:01 PM »
Wonder what Barry George and his sister Michelle Bate's have to say about this nonsense?


DID SAVILE ORDER JILL DANDO’S MURDER?
She was going to expose him, says new book
November 2016

"JILL Dando was murdered on the orders of Jimmy Savile because the late Crimewatch presenter was just about to expose the meganonce’s vile crimes.
What’s more, the authorities KNEW that Savile was the ‘ Mr Big’ who ordered the hit but were powerless to act as the DJ and industrial scale kiddy- fiddler was protected by shadowy Establishment figures.
That is the chilling theory proposed by author John Gilchrist, who has spent the last two years researching links between Savile and Jill’s murder.
The 37- year- old TV presenter was shot dead on April 26, 1999, on the doorstep of her home in west London. The crime remains unsolved to this day.
In 2001, Barry George was wrongly convicted of the murder and spent seven years behind bars before he was freed on appeal.
Disgrace
John reckons that Mr George was set up as a “fall guy” to divert attention away from Savile, who died in 2011, aged 84.
The author said: “The whole case is tragic, chilling and a disgrace to Britain. It was particularly tragic for Barry George, who rotted in jail for years, wrongly convicted of killing Jill.”
John claims Jill was told that DJs, celebrities and other staff were involved in organised abuse and that Savile “topped the list”.
But an anonymous source told him that “no- one wanted to know” when Jill raised concerns about the alleged ring and other sexual abuse claims at the BBC.
The source is quoted by John as saying: “I think Jill was shocked by what she was told and made it her business to stop it.
“She was a woman on a mission – and that mission terrified Savile. Nobody at the BBC had stood up to him before.
“Savile considered sexually smearing Jill through his contacts in the media but that was a non- runner. Jill was too popular.
“She had to die… and it was Savile who gave the order.”
John says that Savile “called in a favour” from underworld pals, who blasted Jill to death on the doorstep of her home.
Theories about her death ranged from the culprit being a Serbian warlord angry over her TV appeal on behalf of Kosovan refugees, to British underworld enforcers who were furious at her
Crimewatch investigations. But the paedophile ring link appears to be the only one that still holds water.
John said: “It was a massive job to protect Savile from investigation but the people shielding him are among the most powerful in the land.
“Even with Savile dead, the cover- up continues – if details ever came out it would rock the government, the civil service, the courts… the lot.”
Meanwhile, a former Scotland Yard Flying Squad boss revealed his former colleagues ignored ‘ excellent leads’ into the unsolved murder of Jill Dando.
John O’Connor said: “I was given an excellent lead that was ignored.
“The Met did nothing with it. It was quite clear this was a pro hit by a trained assassin.
Witness
“The person identified was a significant and key witness. But the Met just shut its eyes to everything else, once they’d nicked poor Barry George.”
Mr O’Connor now wants Home Secretary Amber Rudd to look into the unsolved case.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: “The Metropolitan Police Service fully investigated the circumstances into the murder of Jill Dando.
“If any new information comes to our attention this will be investigated.”
Last year, it was revealed that more than 100 potential murder suspects who could have shot dead Jill Dando on her doorstep in a ‘ professional hit’ were never traced by police.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-sport/20161127/282626032287910



Jill Dando raised alarm about ‘paedophile ring at BBC’ - By JOHN CARR
00:01, Mon, Jul 21, 2014

"MURDERED television presenter Jill Dando tried to alert her bosses to a paedophile ring at the BBC ­involving “big name” stars, claims a former colleague.

"The friend and retired BBC worker said the late Crimewatch host was told DJs, celebrities and other staff were involved in organised abuse.

But the anonymous source says “no one wanted to know” when Miss Dando raised concerns about the alleged ring and other sexual abuse claims at the BBC.

She is said to have passed a file to senior management in the mid-1990s, but they never carried out an investigation.

The 37-year-old TV presenter was shot dead on April 26, 1999, on the doorstep of her home in west London. The crime remains unsolved.

The source said: “I don’t recall the names of all the stars now and don’t want to implicate anyone, but Jill said they were surprisingly big names.

“I think she was quite shocked when told about images of children and that information on how to join this horrible paedophile ring was freely available.

“Jill said others had complained to her about sexual matters and that some female workmates also claimed they had been groped or assaulted.

“Nothing had been done and there seemed to be a policy of turning a blind eye.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490169/Dando-alarm-paedophile-ring-BBC


"Knowing God Personally
The Christian Message to the Muslim World
By John Gilchrist

https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/gilchrist/knowing_god.html

So who is John Gilchrist alleged annonymous source!
"When flying monkeys come calling, just click your ruby slippers together and remember that even narcs can be defeated once you know the truth"