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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #885 on: October 08, 2019, 05:43:31 PM »
Empowering Wrongful Convictions (EWC)
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Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
Oct 5
1/3 It does come across as harsh & I'm sorry for that. However, I have been working in this area for almost 20 years & have assessed many hundreds of claims of innocence & know that not all (possibly even most in my experience) of those claiming factual innocence are innocent.

Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
2/3 I also know that whilst some factually innocent victims of wrongful conviction & their loved ones may genuinely & legitimately be smashed to pieces by their experiences & not feel they have the strength to fight that the guilty innocent imposters will use this argument too. https://twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1180367316036526080

Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
Oct 5
3/3 It really is a tough one but I can only work with those willing to fight publicly & give it all that they have got like the B6, G4, Mike o' Brien did Paul Blackburn and Eddie Guilfoyle, Sue May, Wullie Beck, Ben Geen, Robin Garbutt, Carl Morgan, to name but a few, are doing

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent


“Robin Garbutt, 45, dialled 999 claiming that his wife, Diana, had been attacked in a break-in at their flat above the Post Office in Melsonby, North Yorks last March.
But tests showed that the 40-year-old had been dead for up to eight hours when he called and extensive inquiries found no witnesses to the apparent break-in, Teesside Crown Court heard.
The jury heard how the couple, who married in April 2003, had a troubled relationship and Mr Garbutt – who was described by his wife as “not into sex” – was also mired in debt at the time of the murder.
David Hatton QC, prosecuting, told the jury how Mr Garbutt dialled 999 shortly after 8.30am on March 23 last year exclaiming: “My wife’s been attacked, she’s gone a funny colour, there’s blood on the pillow.”
He told police that a man with a gun had walked into the shop where he had working and told him to switch off the lights, lock up and not do “anything stupid”, the jury heard.
The postmaster claimed that he had been forced to fill a holdall with cash from the safe.
When the robber left he went upstairs, where his wife had been having a lie-in, to find that she had been attacked, he claimed.
But when paramedics arrived they found blood had matted in her hair and reported that rigor mortis had already set in.
Analysis of the semi-digested remains of the fish and chips she had eaten the previous evening showed that she had died between 2am and 4.30am, the jury was told.
It was the second time in a year that Mr Garbutt had reported a robbery at the Post Office.
On the previous occasion, he claimed that £10,000 had been taken but none of the villagers had seen anything suspicious and police made no arrests, the jury heard.
“The prosecution maintain the defendant murdered his wife,” Mr Hatton told the jury, as he opened the case.
“We do not take on the responsibility of establishing a motive.
“Only two people knew what their relationship was really like and one of them is dead.
“Behind the facade of a happy and financially comfortable couple there were problems and all was not as it might have appeared on the surface to the public eye.”
He outlined how Mrs Garbutt, a former court official who had retrained as a postmistress when they took over the shop, had been unfaithful to her husband.
She had admitted to him that she had had sex with a man at a party in York in December 2008 while her husband slept upstairs, Mr Hatton said.
Mrs Garbutt also kissed the husband of a cousin at a family party in Wales.
She later wrote the man a note saying she felt “seedy” but raised the possibility that they could “start over without the emotional baggage”.
There were also flirtatious contacts on Facebook with a villager, with whom she also went for late-night cycle rides when Mr Garbutt was asleep.
She used to ask the man about his divorce and discuss her own private life, the court heard.
“She said the defendant wasn’t into sex and they were going to see a sex therapist,” said Mr Hatton.
Mrs Garbutt also used internet dating sites and had accessed her profile on the “Badoo” chat website the night before she was killed, the court heard.
He added that Mr Garbutt had run up £30,000 of debts on his credit cards and had recently bolstered his overdrawn current account by transferring large sums of cash he had received by special delivery post.
But a relief postmistress was due to take over the running of the shop for a few weeks when the couple went on holiday – potentially uncovering any discrepancy in the accounts, Mr Hatton said.
“The perception of the Melsonby villagers of a rosy and loving relationship was, say the prosecution, far from the full picture,” he added.
“Here was a man with increasing debt desperately trying not to outwardly fail in his business or his marriage.”
Mr Garbutt denies murder. The case continues
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8396054/Murdered-postmistress-Diana-Garbutt-cheated-on-husband-court-told.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #886 on: October 19, 2019, 10:04:03 AM »
Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
Oct 16
Absolutely. But just how will such a factual innocence movement for the UK be achieved / realised? What vehicle? Who? When?
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Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
 · Oct 15
A joint & coordinated effort is required if the innocence movement wants to be heard & noticed-All Orgs need to forget differences & become one for meetings & protests throughout the year-I Have supported @JENGbA protests in the past-We must all join ranks supporting such events! https://twitter.com/empowerinnocent/status/1181090266691842049

Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
Oct 16
Good start would be for key representatives from the innocent orgs and higher profile individual campaigners to meet & agree common & joint objectives-A few key figures would be needed to get the ball rolling-Would take a great deal of  time & effort to get things progressing.

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@J4BenGeen
 and
@EmpowerInnocent
We should meet up Mick.
6:53 PM · Oct 16, 2019·Twitter for iPad

Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
Oct 16
Replying to
@Michelle_Diskin
 and
@EmpowerInnocent
Let’s do that Michelle. I will DM you tomorrow morning.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1184527834120949761
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #887 on: October 19, 2019, 10:34:21 AM »
Bayes and the Law - Norman Fenton, Martin Neil, and Daniel Berger

Excerpt:
“It is difficult to determine the extent to which the LR for presenting forensic evidence other than DNA has been used in courts. Although mostly unreported, we know of cases involving glass, fibres and soil matches, while articles now promote its use in fingerprint evidence (Alberink et al., 2014; Nuemann et al., 2011). The most impressive well-publicised success concerns its use in relation to firearm discharge residue (FDR) in (R. v. George, EWCA Crim 2722, 2007); the use of the LR in the appeal – showing that the FDR evidence had ‘no probative value’ was the reason granted for a retrial (in which George was found not guilty) with the FDR evidence deemed inadmissible. The appeal court ruling in this case (along with our concerns about the over-simplistic use of the LR that we return to in Section 4) is discussed in detail in (Fenton et al., 2013a).

However, while the R v George appeal judgment can be considered a major success for the use of Bayes, the 2010 UK Court of Appeal Ruling - known as (R v T, 2010) - dealt it a devastating blow. The ruling quashed a murder conviction in which the prosecution had relied heavily on footwear matching evidence presented using Bayes and the LR. Specifically, even though there was recognition that it was used for this purpose in Netherlands, Slovenia and Switzerland) points 86 and 90 of the ruling respectively assert:

“We are satisfied that in the area of footwear evidence, no attempt can realistically be made in the generality of cases to use a formula to calculate the probabilities. The practice has no sound basis”.

“It is quite clear that outside the field of DNA (and possibly other areas where there is a firm statistical base) this court has made it clear that Bayes’ theorem and likelihood ratios should not be used”

Given its potential to change the way forensic experts analyse and present evidence in court, there have been numerous articles criticising the ruling (Aitken and many other signatories, 2011; Berger et al., 2011; Morrison, 2012; Nordgaard et al., 2012; Redmayne et Berger, 2012). These papers recognise that there were weaknesses in the way the expert presented the probabilistic evidence (in particular not making clear that likelihood ratios for different aspects of the evidence were multiplied together to arrive at a composite likelihood ratio), but nevertheless express deep concern about the implications for the future presentation, by experts, of forensic evidence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934658/#!po=33.0769
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #888 on: October 21, 2019, 02:09:59 PM »
Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
Oct 16
Absolutely. But just how will such a factual innocence movement for the UK be achieved / realised? What vehicle? Who? When?
Quote Tweet

Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
 · Oct 15
A joint & coordinated effort is required if the innocence movement wants to be heard & noticed-All Orgs need to forget differences & become one for meetings & protests throughout the year-I Have supported @JENGbA protests in the past-We must all join ranks supporting such events! https://twitter.com/empowerinnocent/status/1181090266691842049

Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
Oct 16
Good start would be for key representatives from the innocent orgs and higher profile individual campaigners to meet & agree common & joint objectives-A few key figures would be needed to get the ball rolling-Would take a great deal of  time & effort to get things progressing.

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Replying to
@J4BenGeen
 and
@EmpowerInnocent
We should meet up Mick.
6:53 PM · Oct 16, 2019·Twitter for iPad

Mick Geen
@J4BenGeen
Oct 16
Replying to
@Michelle_Diskin
 and
@EmpowerInnocent
Let’s do that Michelle. I will DM you tomorrow morning.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1184527834120949761
harryrag replied
Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
We investigated his claim of innocence to determine its truthfulness & helped get his case referred back to the CoA. We were told that he confessed & then committed suicide but have never seen any evidence that he murdered Joan Albert. How did he do it? The fibres didn’t match?
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harryrag
@harryrag
3h
Replying to @EmpowerInnocent and @ccrcupdate
Michael Naughton supported convicted killer Simon Hall - who admitted he was guilty.
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php/tjmk/comments/how_greg_hampikian_abuses_two_positions_of_trust_in_serially_misrepres
1:34 PM · Oct 21, 2019·Twitter Web App

harryrag
@harryrag
4m
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
The defence claimed the fibres didn't match? Well, they would, wouldn't they?  The Court of Appeal looked at the forensic evidence and upheld the murder conviction.
http://bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/4.html

harryrag
@harryrag
2m
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
What evidence were you expecting? CCTV footage of Simon Hall murdering Joan Albert?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186259466725056512


Maybe Michael Naughton should ask Michelle Diskin Bates to explain - after all she accepted Simon Hall’s guilt and was so concerned she made the following public statement “this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice”

Maybe it’s time for Michelle Diskin Bates to explain in detail why she appeared able to accept Simon Hall’s guilt and why she felt compelled to write what she did when she did.


September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am
Michelle Diskin Bates stated:“As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice. But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit? All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed. Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict.

https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/
« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 02:50:14 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #889 on: October 21, 2019, 02:41:00 PM »
Maybe Michael Naughton should ask Michelle Diskin Bates to explain - after all she accepted Simon Hall’s guilt and was so concerned she made the following public statement “this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice”

Maybe it’s time for Michelle Diskin Bates to explain in detail why she appeared able to accept Simon Hall’s guilt and why she felt compelled to write what she did when she did.


September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am
Michelle Diskin Bates stated: “As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice.
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
1h
My profile and photo shows exactly who I am, and my beliefs. Trolls hide behind strange names and snarky comments...but they eventually ‘out’ themselves in their unguarded comments 🤗
Living in the light, I have nothing to hide. Thank you Lord Jesus.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 02:50:27 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #890 on: October 21, 2019, 02:47:30 PM »
harryrag replied
Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
We investigated his claim of innocence to determine its truthfulness & helped get his case referred back to the CoA. We were told that he confessed & then committed suicide but have never seen any evidence that he murdered Joan Albert. How did he do it? The fibres didn’t match?
Quote Tweet


Maybe Michael Naughton should ask Michelle Diskin Bates to explain - after all she accepted Simon Hall’s guilt and was so concerned she made the following public statement “this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice”

Maybe it’s time for Michelle Diskin Bates to explain in detail why she appeared able to accept Simon Hall’s guilt and why she felt compelled to write what she did when she did.


September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am
Michelle Diskin Bates stated: “As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice. But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit? All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed. Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict.

https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/

What did Michelle Diskin Bates KNOW that people like Michael Naughton didn’t?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 02:50:41 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #891 on: October 21, 2019, 02:57:02 PM »
What did Michelle Diskin Bates KNOW that people like Michael Naughton didn’t?

What was it that Michelle Diskin Bates recognised back then re the Simon Hall case/campaign that the likes of Michael Naughton didn’t then nor appears to now?

Michelle Diskin Bates claims she has nothing to hide Living in the light, I have nothing to hide. Thank you Lord Jesus.”

But that’s not a true statement is it Michelle?

« Last Edit: October 21, 2019, 04:32:12 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #892 on: October 22, 2019, 10:11:37 AM »
harryrag replied
Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
We investigated his claim of innocence to determine its truthfulness & helped get his case referred back to the CoA. We were told that he confessed & then committed suicide but have never seen any evidence that he murdered Joan Albert. How did he do it? The fibres didn’t match?
Quote Tweet

harryrag
@harryrag
3h
Replying to @EmpowerInnocent and @ccrcupdate
Michael Naughton supported convicted killer Simon Hall - who admitted he was guilty.
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php/tjmk/comments/how_greg_hampikian_abuses_two_positions_of_trust_in_serially_misrepres
1:34 PM · Oct 21, 2019·Twitter Web App

harryrag
@harryrag
4m
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
The defence claimed the fibres didn't match? Well, they would, wouldn't they?  The Court of Appeal looked at the forensic evidence and upheld the murder conviction.
http://bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/4.html

harryrag
@harryrag
2m
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
What evidence were you expecting? CCTV footage of Simon Hall murdering Joan Albert?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186259466725056512


Maybe Michael Naughton should ask Michelle Diskin Bates to explain - after all she accepted Simon Hall’s guilt and was so concerned she made the following public statement “this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice”

Maybe it’s time for Michelle Diskin Bates to explain in detail why she appeared able to accept Simon Hall’s guilt and why she felt compelled to write what she did when she did.


September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am
Michelle Diskin Bates stated:“As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice. But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit? All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed. Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict.

https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/

William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
How do you know Simon.Hall confessed ?
Have you seen a confirmed signed confession ?
1:56 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android


Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
2h
1/2 Thank you Wullie, but I suspect you are dealing with an ignorant troll. We never said that Simon Hall WAS innocent. Rather, we investigated his claim of innocence, which is a fundamentally different things, and showed the so called “evidence” to be totally discredited

Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
2h
2/2 We were informed by his wife that he had confessed & wrote to him for confirmation & to let us know HOW he did it. He did not reply. We have never seen a signed confession. But, even if he did confess, like many innocent victims do, HOW did he do it & where is the evidence?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/with_replies


[William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
 
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
He never admitted he was guilty till after he lost his appeal.
Like I have said to you in another post how do you judge factual innocence ?
Michael found the flock fibre evidence to be flawed and Keir Starmer said without it the case collapsed.


harryrag
@harryrag
8h
Simon Hall was convicted of the murder on the totality of the evidence. He couldn’t account for the missing hour on the night of the murder, he gave conflicting statements to the police and he was linked to the murder by fibres found at the crime scene.


William Beck
@WullieBeck
7h
You know nothing about the flock fibre evidence.
It was totally discredited.

harryrag
@harryrag
7h
The fibre evidence wasn't totally discredited where it matters i.e. in court. Simon Hall confessed to killing Jean Albert. The end.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
7h
Show me the evidence he confessed to killing anyone.
I accept he committed suicide but have never seen a confirmed signed confession.
Heard his fruitcake wife say he confessed but seen no evidence to substantiate this.

harryrag
@harryrag
7h
His wife publicly campaigned for Simon Hall's release for years. What do you think changed her mind? His confession or something else?

William Beck
@WullieBeck
7h
Tell me you have seen a confirmed signed confession please and not just taking the word of his fruitcake wife.

https://mobile.twitter.com/harryrag/status/1186212373998325760
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #893 on: October 22, 2019, 10:54:10 AM »
harryrag
@harryrag
Replying to
@WullieBeck
 @EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
His wife publicly campaigned for Simon Hall's release for years. What do you think changed her mind? His confession or something else?
2:43 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter Web App

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
Tell me you have seen a confirmed signed confession please and not just taking the word of his fruitcake wife.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
7h
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
Maybe she drove him to suicide.
You never know.

https://mobile.twitter.com/harryrag/status/1186458060639866883
« Last Edit: October 22, 2019, 11:17:24 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #894 on: October 22, 2019, 11:11:22 AM »
harryrag
@harryrag
Replying to
@WullieBeck
 @EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
His wife publicly campaigned for Simon Hall's release for years. What do you think changed her mind? His confession or something else?
2:43 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter Web App

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
Tell me you have seen a confirmed signed confession please and not just taking the word of his fruitcake wife.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
7h
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
Maybe she drove him to suicide.
You never know.

https://mobile.twitter.com/harryrag/status/1186458060639866883


harryrag
@harryrag
8h
Boutflour was never a suspect. You have to consider all the pieces of evidence wholly - not separately and in isolation from the other pieces of evidence.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Boutflour was a regular visitor that used the guns.
Would be reasonable to conclude one would expect to perhaps find his blood or DNA on the Guns and to exclude Sheila if they shared same blood group.

harryrag
@harryrag
Replying to
@WullieBeck
@Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
There's no credible evidence against Boutflour. Are you claiming he shot himself and that's how his blood allegedly ended up on the silencer? I'm struggling to follow your logic.
2:36 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter Web App

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
@Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
His blood could have got on the silencer in a number of innocent ways was what I was saying.
You seem hell bent on trying to discredit this case can I ask what your interests are ?

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
 @Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
Boutflour was not shot ya fruitcake

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186558726326702080

.William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
He never admitted he was guilty till after he lost his appeal.
Like I have said to you in another post how do you judge factual innocence ?
Michael found the flock fibre evidence to be flawed and Keir Starmer said without it the case collapsed.
1:54 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android

harryrag
@harryrag
9h
Replying to
@WullieBeck
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
He later confessed to killing Joan Albert and he admitted was “seriously violent” and said there had been “sexual aspects” to the murder.

His wife called him a “highly disturbed individual”.


William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
So have you seen a confirmed signed confession or are you just taking his wifes word for it.
She thought he was that disturbed she could not wait to marry him in prison.
Speaks volumes about her assessment of disturbed individuals

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186445679293538307
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #895 on: October 22, 2019, 12:10:11 PM »
And again...

According to Michelle Diskin Bates tweets, sister of Barry George


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
See the following...

5 Indicators of an Evil Heart
I think one of the reasons we don’t “see” evil is because we find it so difficult to believe that evil individuals actually exist.
https://www.crosswalk.com/slideshows/5-indicators-of-an-evil-heart.html?utm_source=Daily%20Bible%20Living&utm_campaign=Daily%20Bible%20Living%20-%20BibleStudyTools.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2919543&bcid=07ef3929ec562c88a74e36eaa82dc8db&recip=528911091%20
crosswalk.com

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
1. (Psalms 5:8; 10:7; 58:3; 109:2–5; 140:2; Proverbs 6:13,14; 6:18,19; 12:13; 16:20; 16:27, 28; 30:14; Job 15:35; Jeremiah 18:18; Nehemiah 6:8; Micah 2:1; Matthew 12:34,35; Acts 6:11–13; 2 Peter 3:16)

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
1. Evil hearts are experts at creating confusion and contention.
They twist the facts, mislead, lie, avoid taking responsibility, deny reality, make up stories, and withhold information.


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
2. (Psalms 50:19; 52:2,3; 57:4; 59:7; 101:7; Proverbs 12:5; 26:23–26; 26:28; Job 20:12; Jeremiah 12:6; Matthew 26:59; Acts 6:11–13; Romans 16:17,18; 2 Corinthians 11:13,14; 2 Timothy 3:2–5; 3:13; Titus 1:10,16).

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
2. But if you look at the fruit of their lives or the follow through of their words, you will find no real evidence of godly growth or change. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
2. Evil hearts are experts at fooling others with their smooth speech and flattering words.

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
3. They use Scripture to their own advantage but ignore and reject passages that might require self-correction and repentance. (Romans 2:8; Psalms 10; 36:1–4; 50:16–22; 54:5,6; 73:6–9; Proverbs 21:24; Jude 1:8–16).

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
3. Evil hearts crave and demand control, and their highest authority is their own self-reference.
They reject feedback, real accountability, and make up their own rules to live by.


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
·
Aug 30
4.  They demand warmth, forgiveness, and intimacy from those they have harmed with no empathy for the pain they have caused and no real intention of making amends or working hard to rebuild broken trust. (Proverbs 21:10; 1 Peter 2:16; Jude 1:4).

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
4. Evil hearts play on the sympathies of good-willed people, often trumping the grace card.
They demand mercy but give none themselves.


Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
Aug 30
Evil hearts have no conscience, no remorse.
Slide 5 of 10
They do not struggle against sin or evil—they delight in it—all the while masquerading as someone of noble character. (Proverbs 2:14–15; 10:23; 12:10; 21:27,29; Isaiah 32:6; Romans 1:30; 2 Corinthians 11:13–15)

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/with_replies
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #896 on: October 22, 2019, 05:36:52 PM »

harryrag
@harryrag
8h
Boutflour was never a suspect. You have to consider all the pieces of evidence wholly - not separately and in isolation from the other pieces of evidence.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Boutflour was a regular visitor that used the guns.
Would be reasonable to conclude one would expect to perhaps find his blood or DNA on the Guns and to exclude Sheila if they shared same blood group.

harryrag
@harryrag
Replying to
@WullieBeck
@Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
There's no credible evidence against Boutflour. Are you claiming he shot himself and that's how his blood allegedly ended up on the silencer? I'm struggling to follow your logic.
2:36 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter Web App

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
@Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
His blood could have got on the silencer in a number of innocent ways was what I was saying.
You seem hell bent on trying to discredit this case can I ask what your interests are ?

William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
Replying to
@harryrag
 @Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
Boutflour was not shot ya fruitcake

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186558726326702080

.William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
He never admitted he was guilty till after he lost his appeal.
Like I have said to you in another post how do you judge factual innocence ?
Michael found the flock fibre evidence to be flawed and Keir Starmer said without it the case collapsed.
1:54 AM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android

harryrag
@harryrag
9h
Replying to
@WullieBeck
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
He later confessed to killing Joan Albert and he admitted was “seriously violent” and said there had been “sexual aspects” to the murder.

His wife called him a “highly disturbed individual”.


William Beck
@WullieBeck
8h
So have you seen a confirmed signed confession or are you just taking his wifes word for it.
She thought he was that disturbed she could not wait to marry him in prison.
Speaks volumes about her assessment of disturbed individuals

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186445679293538307


William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
Did his wife only come out with the alleged confession evidence after he was dead or did she tell anyone while he was still alive ?
4:31 PM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186666462481735680


 William Beck
@WullieBeck
2h
@harryrag
 Still waiting for your proof Simon Hall confessed to murder.
Am I to assume your lack of evidence is because no such thing happened.
Did you get your info from Julie Mugford by any chamce ?

harryrag
@harryrag
2h
Simon Hall confessed to prison authorities. His wife accepted his confession and his naive and gullible supporters slinked off with egg on their faces and their tails between their legs. Case closed.


William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
I presume this case is a sentimental one which you do not want to discuss judging by the way you keep signing it off with the words End Of and Case Closed.
Just reading between the lines.
3:09 PM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186645862203740160
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #897 on: October 22, 2019, 07:22:27 PM »
harryrag
@harryrag
16h
Sheila was adopted and not related Boutflour.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
9h
Well even more alarming if he shared the same blood group.

harryrag
@harryrag
7h
You’re making a schoolboy error i.e. you’re considering each piece of evidence separately and in isolation from the other pieces of evidence. Julie Mugford’s testimony was compelling evidence against Jeremy Bamber.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
1h
Why was he not charged with hiring a hitman if her evidence was that compelling ?

harryrag
@harryrag
1h
Jeremy Bamber has got a roof over his head, he gets three square meals a day and I'm sure he keeps himself entertained seeing as he's a confirmed bachelor.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
 @Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others (the 2 others in this conversation are apparently Trudi Benjamin & Mark Newby)
A bit like yourself only you are a widow now cause you drove your newly wed husband to commit suicide.
6:18 PM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android
https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186693373257801730[https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186693373257801730

harryrag
@harryrag
1h
Replying to
@WullieBeck
@Michelle_Diskin
 and 2 others
Jeremy Bamber is going to spend the rest of his life in the slammer. Accept it, deal with it and move on.

William Beck
@WullieBeck
1h
Aye right we will accept this because you say so.
You obviously have a highly inflated ego of yourself if you think people will just believe this is correct Steffie.

https://mobile.twitter.com/harryrag/status/1186691654767534082
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #898 on: October 22, 2019, 07:49:14 PM »

William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
@EmpowerInnocent
 and
@ccrcupdate
Did his wife only come out with the alleged confession evidence after he was dead or did she tell anyone while he was still alive ?
4:31 PM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186666462481735680


 William Beck
@WullieBeck
2h
@harryrag
 Still waiting for your proof Simon Hall confessed to murder.
Am I to assume your lack of evidence is because no such thing happened.
Did you get your info from Julie Mugford by any chamce ?


harryrag
@harryrag
2h
Simon Hall confessed to prison authorities. His wife accepted his confession and his naive and gullible supporters slinked off with egg on their faces and their tails between their legs. Case closed.


William Beck
@WullieBeck
Replying to
@harryrag
I presume this case is a sentimental one which you do not want to discuss judging by the way you keep signing it off with the words End Of and Case Closed.
Just reading between the lines.
3:09 PM · Oct 22, 2019·Twitter for Android

https://mobile.twitter.com/WullieBeck/status/1186645862203740160

I’ve no idea who harryrag is but it seems they are bringing all sorts to the fore by their tweeting

And it appears the CCRC have been given a front row seat  8((()*/


William Beck Retweeted
Damian Fahy
@fahy_damian
Replying to
@jbcampaignltd
I hope Jeremy Bamber case is referred back to the court of appeal & he wins his appeal & is released from prison he really deserves good news for once in his life he didn't get a fair trial in 1986 & Julie Mugfort should be ashamed of herself karma will come for her
8:26 PM · Oct 21, 2019·Twitter Web App

https://mobile.twitter.com/fahy_damian/status/1186363141929820161
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #899 on: October 22, 2019, 10:51:17 PM »
harryrag replied
Empowering the Innocent
@EmpowerInnocent
We investigated his claim of innocence to determine its truthfulness & helped get his case referred back to the CoA. We were told that he confessed & then committed suicide but have never seen any evidence that he murdered Joan Albert. How did he do it? The fibres didn’t match?
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harryrag
@harryrag
3h
Replying to @EmpowerInnocent and @ccrcupdate
Michael Naughton supported convicted killer Simon Hall - who admitted he was guilty.
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php/tjmk/comments/how_greg_hampikian_abuses_two_positions_of_trust_in_serially_misrepres
1:34 PM · Oct 21, 2019·Twitter Web App

harryrag
@harryrag
4m
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
The defence claimed the fibres didn't match? Well, they would, wouldn't they?  The Court of Appeal looked at the forensic evidence and upheld the murder conviction.
http://bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2011/4.html

harryrag
@harryrag
2m
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
What evidence were you expecting? CCTV footage of Simon Hall murdering Joan Albert?

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1186259466725056512


Maybe Michael Naughton should ask Michelle Diskin Bates to explain - after all she accepted Simon Hall’s guilt and was so concerned she made the following public statement “this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice”

Maybe it’s time for Michelle Diskin Bates to explain in detail why she appeared able to accept Simon Hall’s guilt and why she felt compelled to write what she did when she did.


September 10, 2013 at 10:04 am
Michelle Diskin Bates stated:“As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice. But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit? All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed. Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict.

https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2019/05/13/telling-public-statement-made-by-michelle-diskin-bates-sister-of-barry-george-following-simon-halls-confession/

6 years on and they still haven’t joined the dots  *&^^&

Just goes to show “A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes”
A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes