What if Mrs Fenn had called the police the night of the crying?

[Mr Gray]

I retract my paraphrasing of your comment 

Not good enough...cite for the comment you are paraphrasing... I never said anything like that... If you are going to make things up and claim as fact debate is pointless

[faithlilly]

Not good enough...cite for the comment you are paraphrasing... I never said anything like that... If you are going to make things up and claim as fact debate is pointless

You said recreation or cite. I retracted my comment. A gentleman always pays his debts. Are you a gentleman Davel ?

[Mr Gray]

You said recreation or cite. I retracted my comment. A gentleman always pays his debts. Are you a gentleman Davel ?

you did not retract your comment...

[Mr Gray]

I retract my paraphrasing of your comment 

which comment..cite

[faithlilly]

you did not retract your comment...

I did but here it is again...I retract the claim that you ever said ‘uncorroborated statements are unreliable’.

In fact it’s okay don’t answer the question. By making me retract that statement answers it.  You don’t believe uncobborated statements are unreliable.

Thanks Davel. 

Phew that was easy.

[Mr Gray]

I did but here it is again...I retract the claim that you ever said ‘uncorroborated statements are unreliable’.

In fact it’s okay don’t answer it. By making me retract that statement answers the question. You don’t believe uncobborated statements are unreliable.

Thanks Davel. 

Phew that was easy.

it woud have been far easier if you had done it in the first place....are uncorroborated claims reliable...in some instances suspects are convicted on uncorroberated claims...it depends on the circumstances

[faithlilly]

it woud have been far easier if you had done it in the first place....are uncorroborated claims reliable...in some instances suspects are convicted on uncorroberated claims...it depends on the circumstances

No need to answer Davel. We now know that you probably think Kate was ‘mistaken’ about the window ( as Mrs Fenn was about the crying) as both are uncobborated claims.

No need to make it any clearer.

[Robittybob1]

Moving on ....

[pathfinder73]

Did she speak to them at any point right after the disappearance?  If so, did she mention the burglaries?

Yes she offered to help and her phone to Gerry at 22:30 to call the police. He refused and Mrs McCann told her to F Off! Charming.

REMEMBER Russell stayed in Tuesday night and he heard no crying from his apartment. Mrs Fenn heard the crying below i.e. in apartment 5A.

[pathfinder73]

Russell said he wasn't there on quiz night TUE - Read on:

Tuesday, the day that I wasn’t there, erm, that, that I think it was that, you know, there was an aerobics instructor who, this is second-hand information, who was drumming up some support for, you know, some group called Pool Aerobics or something, from the people who were there.  Erm, and the only reason I mentioned that was, if you had that information in other people’s statements about what night the quiz took place on, that was the night I wasn’t there”.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

Yes she offered to help and her phone to Gerry at 22:30 to call the police. He refused and Mrs McCann told her to F Off! Charming.

REMEMBER Russell stayed in Tuesday night and he heard no crying from his apartment. Mrs Fenn heard the crying below i.e. in apartment 5A.

For the 1 week period there was a lot of illness amongst the kids IMO.  Did the whole resort have an outbreak of some rapidly spreading condition.  Did anyone report it?

[Alice Purjorick]

No need to answer Davel. We now know that you probably think Kate was ‘mistaken’ about the window ( as Mrs Fenn was about the crying) as both are uncobborated claims.

No need to make it any clearer.

Arrers missus 

[sadie]

We have discussed Mrs Fenns experience in detail including how the crying stopped immediately the patio door to 5a was opened.  I think it is disingenuous for anyone to attempt to undermine Mrs Fenn's evidence.

John, we only have the thoughts and words of an old woman that the crying came from 5A.

It could have been at a number of apartments that the crying happened.  With hearing problems such as old people usually get (differential hearing in the two ears), it is impossible to tell from which direction sound is coming.  I myself am in that position.

The fact that only one child was crying makes it more likely that the sound came from another apartment with only one child.  All three would have been at it, had it been at the Mccanns apartment.

Is it possible that the hearing device belonging to THe Oldfields failed, or that they forgot to switch it on?

Did The Moyes have any young children?.  How about the people in the next door flat to The Moyes.


Any of those could have slipped out on to their balcony


We just dont know and IMO it is unfair to attribute, as fact, that it was one of The Mccann children.  Had it been, all three of them would have been howling IMO

[Carana]

Yes she offered to help and her phone to Gerry at 22:30 to call the police. He refused and Mrs McCann told her to F Off! Charming.

REMEMBER Russell stayed in Tuesday night and he heard no crying from his apartment. Mrs Fenn heard the crying below i.e. in apartment 5A.

Yes, sorry I meant if she talked to them in the days or week following, not when she offered her phone.

Yes, Russell stayed with his daughter - which is why I wondered if she might have been the one crying. No one asked him.

[Carana]

This backs up Mrs Fenn's statement. They left the tapas at around midnight and didn't check every 30 minutes as they claimed.

Which waiter was he? Was he one of the ones who served them, or did he work in the bar part? Not very clear, IMO. Who is he talking about - the entire group or just some of them? The Payne's didn't go at all anyway.

Their table was always booked for 8:30, not 8, and apparently the Paynes were usually a bit late, although possibly not always as late as when they turned up at 9 one night.

So which is it? They hardly ever went, therefore there was plenty of opportunity for an abduction, or someone or other was on the go so frequently that there was no way of missing one?