Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on August 16, 2018, 10:49:14 PM
Title: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 16, 2018, 10:49:14 PM
This was Davel's question to Sunny. "What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?"
Sunny had asked: "Quote from: Sunny on Today at 10:28:26 PM Since I have become interested in the case I have been surprised that whilst the original Portuguese case was ongoing the McCanns said they couldn't answer questions because of judicial secrecy then when the case was suspended in July 2008 they still didn't answer questions. I would have expected them to be open and honest with their supportive public and answer all questions asked." http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9995.msg480460#msg480460
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Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 16, 2018, 11:08:38 PM
Sunny also asked "Davel regards questions I was talking about the questions that they were asked by various interviewers during the enquiry up till July 2008 and said they couldn't answer them. They never did answer a lot of them even after the police case was shelved . Why not? "
I'm trying to think as to what interviews Gerry and Kate refused to answer questions in?
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 17, 2018, 12:29:58 AM
Sunny also asked "Davel regards questions I was talking about the questions that they were asked by various interviewers during the enquiry up till July 2008 and said they couldn't answer them. They never did answer a lot of them even after the police case was shelved . Why not? "
I'm trying to think as to what interviews Gerry and Kate refused to answer questions in?
Well Gerry did have a hissy fit at one interview he threw his mic off and stormed off in a huff... This is on one of the various filmed interviews. too tired to look for it. Someone will know where it is on you tube
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 17, 2018, 12:31:54 AM
Well Gerry did have a hissy fit at one interview he threw his mic off and stormed off in a huff... This is on one of the various filmed interviews. too tired to look for it. Someone will know where it is on you tube
I know the one, that was while they were still in Portugal so not yet cleared.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 17, 2018, 12:35:45 AM
I know the one, that was while they were still in Portugal so not yet cleared.
I will have a look Robittybob1. I did mention that the questions were asked before they were "cleared" -which they were not it seems now and that they used judicial secrecy to refuse to answer them. They then didn't answer these questions after the police investigation was closed.
One that springs to mind is this one.
SF "Did you know Robert Murat"
GM "I'm not going to comment on that"
Why not say no?
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2018, 08:12:00 AM
The interview in London in 2009 with Sandra Feigueiras was interesting. She was the only journalist who ever attempted to get the McCanns to answer the questions they didn't want to answer in my opinion. I don't think she got any straight answers, but she highlighted the lack of them very well.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 17, 2018, 10:05:58 AM
The interview in London in 2009 with Sandra Feigueiras was interesting. She was the only journalist who ever attempted to get the McCanns to answer the questions they didn't want to answer in my opinion. I don't think she got any straight answers, but she highlighted the lack of them very well.
If you don't accept that the McCanns want to know what happened to Madeleine after that, it wouldn't matter what they said, I don't think you would believe them any better.
That last line is the most significant that I have heard them say to date and I hadn't appreciated it till now. Generally we stop listening when Gerry says "ask the dogs". But that last sentence is vital.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2018, 10:34:58 AM
If you don't accept that the McCanns want to know what happened to Madeleine after that, it wouldn't matter what they said, I don't think you would believe them any better.
That last line is the most significant that I have heard them say to date and I hadn't appreciated it till now. Generally we stop listening when Gerry says "ask the dogs". But that last sentence is vital.
What was it?
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: faithlilly on August 17, 2018, 10:47:44 AM
The interview in London in 2009 with Sandra Feigueiras was interesting. She was the only journalist who ever attempted to get the McCanns to answer the questions they didn't want to answer in my opinion. I don't think she got any straight answers, but she highlighted the lack of them very well.
I find the way Kate answers the dog question far more interesting than Gerry’s response. She has clearly been coached in answering the question while not answering it at all.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
The interview in London in 2009 with Sandra Feigueiras was interesting. She was the only journalist who ever attempted to get the McCanns to answer the questions they didn't want to answer in my opinion. I don't think she got any straight answers, but she highlighted the lack of them very well.
The subject is what questions haven't the McCann's andwerred.... Your opinion as to whether the answers were straight is your opinion and obviously biased... So they answerred sandras questions....
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 17, 2018, 12:38:44 PM
Does anyone have the transcript? Here it is http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id284.htm
"last message from Gerry with a vital clue: "GM: That... that... that article that was written, in June, was directly as a result of a journalist phoning all of us and saying: 'what can you tell us about it'. And we were under explicit instructions that we were not to talk about, errr... the details of the case at... under judicial secrecy. So that's all that people did. And, errm... I don't think, you know, there should be considered a pact of silence. We were told, that's what we were to do. And you wouldn't expect witnesses in other cases, in any country, to be going out divulging information that may be useful to the perpetrator of the crime."
You ask yourself what information would be known by the Tapas 9 that would be useful to the perpetrator of this crime?
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2018, 02:15:29 PM
I find the way Kate answers the dog question far more interesting than Gerry’s response. She has clearly been coached in answering the question while not answering it at all.
I think she just said Sandra should ask the Judiciary didn't she? Then she changed the subject to one she was interested in. A trick often used by politicians imo.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
The subject is what questions haven't the McCann's andwerred.... Your opinion as to whether the answers were straight is your opinion and obviously biased... So they answerred sandras questions....
I see an answer, but not to the question asked;
Sandra: Do you still have the support of Mr. Richard Branson, JK Rowling, this multimillionaire that initially gave you a lot of money?
Gerry: (burblegurgle) ..an independent investigation that has been funded completely out of Madeleine's fund... I mean an event like today, there is no specific cost for it, and this is obviously the internet, people already have subscriptions, they can do this. There is the willingness of the population to help and I think we will find hundreds of thousands if not millions of people today will forward this link to their contacts in countries all over the world. That is cheap. https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/11/gerry-mccann-ask-dogs-sandra.html
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2018, 02:25:08 PM
Sandra: Do you still have the support of Mr. Richard Branson, JK Rowling, this multimillionaire that initially gave you a lot of money?
Gerry: (burblegurgle) ..an independent investigation that has been funded completely out of Madeleine's fund... I mean an event like today, there is no specific cost for it, and this is obviously the internet, people already have subscriptions, they can do this. There is the willingness of the population to help and I think we will find hundreds of thousands if not millions of people today will forward this link to their contacts in countries all over the world. That is cheap. https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/11/gerry-mccann-ask-dogs-sandra.html
So once again Gerry answerred the question but not to your satisfaction... And to SF.... who is very anti mccann imo
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 17, 2018, 06:22:28 PM
So what questions about the events of the evening of May 3rd have they failed to answer? Surely those are the only questions that really matter, not whether or not Branson is still board...
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 17, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
So what questions about the events of the evening of May 3rd have they failed to answer? Surely those are the only questions that really matter, not whether or not Branson is still board...
Which reading the above post Gerry didn't, he appeared to answer another question altogether.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: G-Unit on August 17, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
Does anyone have the transcript? Here it is http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id284.htm
"last message from Gerry with a vital clue: "GM: That... that... that article that was written, in June, was directly as a result of a journalist phoning all of us and saying: 'what can you tell us about it'. And we were under explicit instructions that we were not to talk about, errr... the details of the case at... under judicial secrecy. So that's all that people did. And, errm... I don't think, you know, there should be considered a pact of silence. We were told, that's what we were to do. And you wouldn't expect witnesses in other cases, in any country, to be going out divulging information that may be useful to the perpetrator of the crime."
You ask yourself what information would be known by the Tapas 9 that would be useful to the perpetrator of this crime?
I'm surprised no one has responded to this.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 17, 2018, 10:56:03 PM
There are but I haven't spent days collating them before I made the post on the other thread. They take time to find and unlike you I go out to work and work when I am there too.
Anyway, in the meantime I thought I'd throw in the 48 questions that Kate refused to answer to the PJ. I haven't seen answers to all of these questions.
There are but I haven't spent days collating them before I made the post on the other thread. They take time to find and unlike you I go out to work and work when I am there too.
Anyway, in the meantime I thought I'd throw in the 48 questions that Kate refused to answer to the PJ. I haven't seen answers to all of these questions.
Not answering the 48 questions has nothing to do with judicial secrecy
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Vertigo Swirl on August 17, 2018, 11:15:21 PM
And more to the point how should they have answered them? Called a press conference with a list of all the questions they’d been asked in the previous year and reeled off the answers? In fact Kate’s book answers many of the questions, but the fact is some people don’t like or believe the answers.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 17, 2018, 11:25:39 PM
I will have a look Robittybob1. I did mention that the questions were asked before they were "cleared" -which they were not it seems now and that they used judicial secrecy to refuse to answer them. They then didn't answer these questions after the police investigation was closed.
Looking at the date that the video was published it was either in Portugal before or in England after they returned but they would have still been arguidos at the time.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
An extremely valid question which deserved a simple answer. If I recall correctly, there was a claim by video maker Richard D Hall to the effect that GM and RM had met at some golf club prior to Madeleine's disappearance but in true form fails to provide any proof for such a claim.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: misty on August 18, 2018, 01:57:01 AM
Then a voice called me from over the hedge. "What is happening, or what is going on'", I replied that a three year old girl had disappeared, he said "I am going to come round to talk to you" and he did this, walked round to come over towards me and said "I have lived here for fourteen years, I speak Portuguese fluently and I can help to translate", and we introduced ourselves, he told me he was Robert and this was the first time I had seen this man. Robert mentioned that he had a daughter in Norfolk who was the same age as Madeleine, and that is why he was able to understand what they were going through. We walked back along the path that I had taken to Gerry's apartment and I explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.
DCF: Yes
SC: After he left, he explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they went to talk to John Hill.
We can only speculate what information Gerry imparted to Murat but it is clear the two men had met prior to the media's question. That's not quite the same as "knowing" someone in the sense of a friendship.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 18, 2018, 06:24:41 AM
It is this bit that moves me to believe that Kate is not aware of Madeleine's death. She is innocent in all regards based on this interview segment. https://youtu.be/jNTPYfFpLkg?t=1278 Wait till you get to this bit "It's beyond words Yeah we'll cope with anything ....". I recon that amount of emotion could be done by an actor but I'd be surprised if a guilty person could master that bit as well as she did then.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 18, 2018, 10:49:02 AM
Then a voice called me from over the hedge. "What is happening, or what is going on'", I replied that a three year old girl had disappeared, he said "I am going to come round to talk to you" and he did this, walked round to come over towards me and said "I have lived here for fourteen years, I speak Portuguese fluently and I can help to translate", and we introduced ourselves, he told me he was Robert and this was the first time I had seen this man. Robert mentioned that he had a daughter in Norfolk who was the same age as Madeleine, and that is why he was able to understand what they were going through. We walked back along the path that I had taken to Gerry's apartment and I explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.
DCF: Yes
SC: After he left, he explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they went to talk to John Hill.
We can only speculate what information Gerry imparted to Murat but it is clear the two men had met prior to the media's question. That's not quite the same as "knowing" someone in the sense of a friendship.
He could simply have said I didn't know him. That was the question not whether he had spoken to him. He could even elaborate on that and simply say he had met him for the first time the night of Madeleine's disappearance. It really isn't that hard a question to answer IMO.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 18, 2018, 10:52:11 AM
He could simply have said I didn't know him. That was the question not whether he had spoken to him. He could even elaborate on that and simply say he had met him for the first time the night of Madeleine's disappearance. It really isn't that hard a question to answer IMO.
That question was asked whilst still under judicial secrecy... You have yet to quote a question to support your seemingly false claim
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: barrier on August 18, 2018, 10:53:43 AM
Then a voice called me from over the hedge. "What is happening, or what is going on'", I replied that a three year old girl had disappeared, he said "I am going to come round to talk to you" and he did this, walked round to come over towards me and said "I have lived here for fourteen years, I speak Portuguese fluently and I can help to translate", and we introduced ourselves, he told me he was Robert and this was the first time I had seen this man. Robert mentioned that he had a daughter in Norfolk who was the same age as Madeleine, and that is why he was able to understand what they were going through. We walked back along the path that I had taken to Gerry's apartment and I explained that Robert spoke Portuguese fluently, he told Gerry that it was important to have someone who spoke the language so that nothing would be lost in translation.. And that was how Robert Murat was presented as a translator.
DCF: Yes
SC: After he left, he explained that Gerry was frustrated with the way in which the case was being handled and they went to talk to John Hill.
We can only speculate what information Gerry imparted to Murat but it is clear the two men had met prior to the media's question. That's not quite the same as "knowing" someone in the sense of a friendship.
Wonder how Carpenter got to know Madeleines name, at the start of his ROG he said he didn't know her name.
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During the holiday you met the following persons, Gerry and Kate McCann, saw their children, Madeleine and the twins, but don't know their names
Ah got it,it was from his wife or the telly.
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SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn't see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing "Madeleine, Madeleine" and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 18, 2018, 10:55:44 AM
That question was asked whilst still under judicial secrecy... You have yet to quote a question to support your seemingly false claim
It would seem to me that the McCanns answered questions they wanted to and not those they did not. This is my opinion. To me this was a valid question that they have not felt worth answering after judicial secrecy ended. If you read my post earlier I did say that I was talking about questions asked during that time, and ones they haven't answered subsequently.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 18, 2018, 11:26:05 AM
It would seem to me that the McCanns answered questions they wanted to and not those they did not. This is my opinion. To me this was a valid question that they have not felt worth answering after judicial secrecy ended. If you read my post earlier I did say that I was talking about questions asked during that time, and ones they haven't answered subsequently.
Would someone need to ask them those questions again?
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 18, 2018, 11:29:39 AM
Would someone need to ask them those questions again?
I can't see any media type currently, asking them any questions they didn't want to answer. Of course they don't give many interviews anyway as they chose to use Clarence Mitchell as a "family friend" from what I have read. The interviews they do give would be mostly carefully scripted with agreed topics off limits IMO. This is my opinion.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 18, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
It is time consuming Robittybob1. At the time of watching an interview you think "they haven't ever answered that point" then months down the line it is hard to find what/when it was said.
I wasn't considering any answers they gave in Kate's book as valid as a person would need a specific interest in the case and money to buy the book. I was only thinking of media interviews given after the case was shelved.
I wasn't interested in the case at all at this time and for a long time afterwards so I have had a sort of crash course on it which makes it harder to remember what I read when/where.
I will continue looking.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: slartibartfast on August 18, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
... and most posters would assume from that that he knew him.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 18, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
English isn’t Maths, a careful writer can always give a misleading impression.
when it comes to assessing evidence...careful reading of the written word and its precise meaning is important...I have never said my son met gerry but some sceptics have jumped to conclusions......If posters want to make incorrect assunptions ...tahts there problem not mine...its proof taht they do make incorrect assumptions
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: slartibartfast on August 18, 2018, 03:40:00 PM
when it comes to assessing evidence...careful reading of the written word and its precise meaning is important...I have never said my son met gerry but some sceptics have jumped to conclusions......If posters want to make incorrect assunptions ...tahts there problem not mine...its proof taht they do make incorrect assumptions
It all depends on the impression the original post was intended to make.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 18, 2018, 03:40:18 PM
It all depends on the impression the original post was intended to make.
Indeed. I recall he once said he'd recently lost his wife. Eventually turned out that he'd lost her in a supermarket. Consequently I pay no attention to anything he says.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Mr Gray on August 18, 2018, 03:51:12 PM
Indeed. I recall he once said he'd recently lost his wife. Eventually turned out that he'd lost her in a supermarket. Consequently I pay no attention to anything he says.
It was quite upsetting at the time.... Fortunately I found her in the fruit and veg
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Sunny on August 18, 2018, 03:57:45 PM
It was quite upsetting at the time.... Fortunately I found her in the fruit and veg
Yeah right Davel.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 18, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
No personal experience has to be accepted as opinion without a cite, but if it contains expert knowledge we need to say how we know that.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Brietta on August 18, 2018, 08:18:05 PM
This thread has wandered way off topic ... let's get back to ... "What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?" please leave personal questions to other members out of it. Thank you
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 18, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
This thread has wandered way off topic ... let's get back to ... "What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?" please leave personal questions to other members out of it. Thank you
It was a weird diversion though.
Title: Re: What questions haven't they answered and who was, asking?
Post by: G-Unit on August 19, 2018, 08:16:32 AM