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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on September 20, 2019, 09:13:34 AM
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Since joining this board and learning about the case I came to the conclusion that MM was abducted from 5A and that the abductor was aware MM was inside 5A without adult supervision/baby monitor and that the patio doors were left unsecured. On this basis I concluded the abductor, who I believe is female, entered via the patio doors.
Was there really no evidence of an abduction? Possibly not and imo the lead detective, GA, may well have written off the following in order to pursue his theory that MM came to some harm in apartment 5A at the hands of her parents.
- First respondents, Jose Maria Batista Roque and Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, 2 GNR officers, arrived at OC main reception where they were told by GM, via a translator, that MM had been abducted. They all then went to 5A. The officers entered through the front wood door.
- When the officers entered they searched 5A. The officers wit stats are contradictory as to who searched and what was searched. However neither make reference to exiting or entering via the patio doors, searching the balcony or adjoining garden. Reference is made to Jose Roque searching the area around the apartments and tapas bar.
- Fingerprints were collected on 3rd?/4th May.
- One fingerprint taken from the side of the patio door was unidentified. As such PJ sent requests to counterparts in other countries seeking assistance from their fingerprint databases. No match was found but Germany provided additional comment by stating that the fingerprint could have originated from a woman or youth but not a child.
- PJ concluded that the fingerprint originated from first respondent, male officer, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, despite the comment from Germany and the fact that first respondent, Jose Maria Batista Roque, told his colleague to wait in the hall whilst he searched 5A. In any event at no time does Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa mention handling the patio door to exit/enter the property for whatever reason(s).
- We are led to believe that written communication re the above originated from Assistant Specialist, Irene Trovao, to the Coordinator of the invetigation: Goncalo Amaral. However the printed name and signature on the communication is lighter than the main body of the text.
- Goncalo Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents in an unrelated case.
Imo the above needs investigating. The fingerprint needs reexamining and the authenticity of the written communication said to originate from Irene Trovao needs examining by a forensic document handler.
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Is there any evidence of any one else entering 5a apart from the McCann's and their friend's? on the night of the 3/05/2007.Get past that point then question if the was no evidence of an abduction,opinion of course.
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Is there any evidence of any one else entering 5a apart from the McCann's and their friend's? on the night of the 3/05/2007.Get past that point then question if the was no evidence of an abduction,opinion of course.
The fingerprint clearly needs reexamining.
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The fingerprint clearly needs reexamining.
Last lead from OG.
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Last lead from OG.
I'm sorry I don't understand?
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I'm sorry I don't understand?
We are led to believe they are on one last lead,they won't say what,so why not a finger print,gotta pass their time some how.
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Relevant docs to thread/posts:
Fingerprints
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm
Includes:
- communication from Germany re fingerprint originating from a woman or youth but not a child.
- communication supposedly from fingerprint specialist Irene Trovao to Goncalo Amaral but please note the printed name and signature of Irene Trovao are lighter than the main body of text perhaps indicative of someone falsifying a document.
Witness statements of first respondents: GNR officers: Jose Maria Batisa Roque and Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA-1.htm
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We are led to believe they are on one last lead,they won't say what,so why not a finger print,gotta pass their time some how.
Well as one of them said, they're not providing a running commentary so in reality we have no real idea what they're up to!
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I have always believed that Amaral seriously needed Kate McCann to be responsible as this would have proved his point in The Cipriano Case, so falsifying anything would have been nothing much to write home about.
He actually needed an associate of The McCanns to be involved as he knew that they could not have done this alone.
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I have always believed that Amaral seriously needed Kate McCann to be responsible as this would have proved his point in The Cipriano Case, so falsifying anything would have been nothing much to write home about.
He actually needed an associate of The McCanns to be involved as he knew that they could not have done this alone.
There have been many social media attempts throughout the years to link one prominent ex-pat ... I don't think even the most committed believe it now.
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Getting back to the topic title.Is this suggestive of no abduction evidence.
May 2017
Martin Brunt:Do you accept the girl was abducted.
Pedro Do Carmo:We don't know what happened and have to be prepared to deal with different scenarios.
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Since joining this board and learning about the case I came to the conclusion that MM was abducted from 5A and that the abductor was aware MM was inside 5A without adult supervision/baby monitor and that the patio doors were left unsecured. On this basis I concluded the abductor, who I believe is female, entered via the patio doors.
Was there really no evidence of an abduction? Possibly not and imo the lead detective, GA, may well have written off the following in order to pursue his theory that MM came to some harm in apartment 5A at the hands of her parents.
- First respondents, Jose Maria Batista Roque and Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, 2 GNR officers, arrived at OC main reception where they were told by GM, via a translator, that MM had been abducted. They all then went to 5A. The officers entered through the front wood door.
- When the officers entered they searched 5A. The officers wit stats are contradictory as to who searched and what was searched. However neither make reference to exiting or entering via the patio doors, searching the balcony or adjoining garden. Reference is made to Jose Roque searching the area around the apartments and tapas bar.
- Fingerprints were collected on 3rd?/4th May.
- One fingerprint taken from the side of the patio door was unidentified. As such PJ sent requests to counterparts in other countries seeking assistance from their fingerprint databases. No match was found but Germany provided additional comment by stating that the fingerprint could have originated from a woman or youth but not a child.
- PJ concluded that the fingerprint originated from first respondent, male officer, Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, despite the comment from Germany and the fact that first respondent, Jose Maria Batista Roque, told his colleague to wait in the hall whilst he searched 5A. In any event at no time does Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa mention handling the patio door to exit/enter the property for whatever reason(s).
- We are led to believe that written communication re the above originated from Assistant Specialist, Irene Trovao, to the Coordinator of the invetigation: Goncalo Amaral. However the printed name and signature on the communication is lighter than the main body of the text.
- Goncalo Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents in an unrelated case.
Imo the above needs investigating. The fingerprint needs reexamining and the authenticity of the written communication said to originate from Irene Trovao needs examining by a forensic document handler.
If there is no evidence of abduction why are you confident that Madeleine was abducted and have apparently cracked the case?
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If there is no evidence of abduction why are you confident that Madeleine was abducted and have apparently cracked the case?
I think there probably was/is evidence of an abduction by way of the unidentified fingerprint. Regardless there's no evidence of McCanns/T7 involvement and for me that theory isn't even a remote possibility.
Yes I believe I have cracked the case unless of course OG were already on to it before my email. My abductor/suspect is female so obviously if the unidentified fingerprint is still unidentified then it supports my theory/suspect.
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I think there probably was/is evidence of an abduction by way of the unidentified fingerprint. Regardless there's no evidence of McCanns/T7 involvement and for me that theory isn't even a remote possibility.
Yes I believe I have cracked the case unless of course OG were already on to it before my email. My abductor/suspect is female so obviously if the unidentified fingerprint is still unidentified then it supports my theory/suspect.
Me too, I believe that I probably have cracked the case, but the main name (the organiser) I have, is male.
I think it probable that a female worked with (likely) Tannerman ... and I think that the likely female was well known and liked by Madeleine.
Personally I am doubtful that the organiser, a rich important man, got his hands soiled doing any of the actual 'dirty work', lifting and on scene abduction of Madeleine. I think that he is more likely to have come on the scene at Porto, where he picked her up and took a taxi to ...
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Both of you must be crackers! @)(++(*
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Both of you must be crackers! @)(++(*
Well Scotland Yard showed my folder on the special Madeleine Crimewatch program, so I dunno about that ! ?{)(**
Gotta go. Soz
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I have always believed that Amaral seriously needed Kate McCann to be responsible as this would have proved his point in The Cipriano Case, so falsifying anything would have been nothing much to write home about.
He actually needed an associate of The McCanns to be involved as he knew that they could not have done this alone.
That's a good point. What's the general consensus here regarding the Cirpriano case? Mother/uncle as charged?
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Both of you must be crackers! @)(++(*
Interesting to note that moderators are allowed to make ad hominem comments.
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That's a good point. What's the general consensus here regarding the Cirpriano case? Mother/uncle as charged?
Sceptics don’t like us airing our views on this part of the forum.
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Interesting to note that moderators are allowed to make ad hominem comments.
Context is everything! I think it was said in a lighthearted way in that Sadie and I both said we think we've cracked the case ie both crackers! Or maybe Myster thinks we're crackers as in top totty!
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Sceptics don’t like us airing our views on this part of the forum.
Does it have a direct bearing on the disappearance of Madeleine? but why not mention it,the forums dead now so why not let anything go.
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Sceptics don’t like us airing our views on this part of the forum.
Well its not the right thread so I'll find the right one and then providing your views don't break any forum rules I would urge you to go for it!
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Well as one of them said, they're not providing a running commentary so in reality we have no real idea what they're up to!
Do you think with the £12 million spent OG haven't got past an unidentified finger print.
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Interesting to note that moderators are allowed to make ad hominem comments.
Goodness me!... You aren't half a sourpuss, whether it's this or your endless Brexit sour grapes. You need to lighten up.
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Do you think with the £12 million spent OG haven't got past an unidentified finger print.
As far as the files are concerned it's not unidentified. It was effectively signed off as originating from GNR officer Nelson Flipe Pacheco da Costa. Afaik OG are investigating the disappearance of MM not whether GA falsified any documents. I think its something that OG could quite easily overlook.
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As far as the files are concerned it's not unidentified. It was effectively signed off as originating from GNR officer Nelson Flipe Pacheco da Costa. Afaik OG are investigating the disappearance of MM not whether GA falsified any documents. I think its something that OG could quite easily overlook.
Not in their remit to investigate another police force,bit libellous isn't it to suggest Amaral might have falsified some documents,is that a right standard to set?
OG are to investigate as if the abduction took place in the uk.Set their stall right from the start and have no exit strategy.
Back to the title,what evidence is there that any one other than the McCann or their friends entered 5a leading up to the reported disappearance at circa 10pm on 3/05/2007.
An unidentified finger print is just that,certainly not evidence of an abduction,so what is?
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Not in their remit to investigate another police force,bit libellous isn't it to suggest Amaral might have falsified some documents,is that a right standard to set?
OG are to investigate as if the abduction took place in the uk.Set their stall right from the start and have no exit strategy.
Back to the title,what evidence is there that any one other than the McCann or their friends entered 5a leading up to the reported disappearance at circa 10pm on 3/05/2007.
An unidentified finger print is just that,certainly not evidence of an abduction,so what is?
There is no suggestion about it. Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents in an investigation and as a result was convicted of perjury.
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Not in their remit to investigate another police force,bit libellous isn't it to suggest Amaral might have falsified some documents,is that a right standard to set?
The unidentified fingerprint in this case raises more questions than answers and needs reviewing imo. I have not accused anyone of anything but the unidentified fingerprint and the authenticity of the paperwork surrounding it as I said imo needs reviewing. With regard to GA he was found guilty in a court of law of falsifying paperwork in the case of Joana Cipriano ie he has history of such. I doubt he would have kept his job in the UK.
OG are to investigate as if the abduction took place in the uk.Set their stall right from the start and have no exit strategy.
Back to the title,what evidence is there that any one other than the McCann or their friends entered 5a leading up to the reported disappearance at circa 10pm on 3/05/2007.
An unidentified finger print is just that,certainly not evidence of an abduction,so what is?
barrier the patio door was left unsecured on the night of MM's disappearance. I've always said from the off imo it is absolutely key to the case. Now we discover an unidentified fingerprint was indeed found on the side of the patio door and all that surrounds it in terms of GNR wit stats, comment from fingerprint analyst in Germany, and communication between fingerprint analyst in Portugal and GA is all highly, highly suspicious.
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There is no suggestion about it. Amaral was found guilty of falsifying documents in an investigation and as a result was convicted of perjury.
Beggars belief that he was able to keep his job.
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Beggars belief that he was able to keep his job.
It beggars belief that he was put in charge of this case in the first place. He gave up his forth owing and forth coming holiday to volunteer you know.
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Beggars belief that he was able to keep his job.
I don't think that given the circumstances the same senior officer should have investigated both cases. Particularly as his investigative methods seemed to be concerned more with prosecuting the mother than investigating kidnap.
Of interest to me was the more recent corruption in football prosecution where it was determined that large financial deposits were paid into the bank accounts of innocent parties apparently without their knowledge. (Cardinal case)
A GNR officer involved in Madeleine's case was the recipient of similar large deposits.
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barrier the patio door was left unsecured on the night of MM's disappearance. I've always said from the off imo it is absolutely key to the case. Now we discover an unidentified fingerprint was indeed found on the side of the patio door and all that surrounds it in terms of GNR wit stats, comment from fingerprint analyst in Germany, and communication between fingerprint analyst in Portugal and GA is all highly, highly suspicious.
There is a suggestion the abduction is staged,the unlocked patio door lends itself to this as well.
The unidentified finger print is important to posters not the investigators,I'll repeat do you seriously think £12 million of brit money has not got beyond that.
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I don't think that given the circumstances the same senior officer should have investigated both cases. Particularly as his investigative methods seemed to be concerned more with prosecuting the mother than investigating kidnap.
Of interest to me was the more recent corruption in football prosecution where it was determined that large financial deposits were paid into the bank accounts of innocent parties apparently without their knowledge. (Cardinal case)
A GNR officer involved in Madeleine's case was the recipient of similar large deposits.
I feel certain that had GA been found guilty in UK he would have been sacked.
I will have a little Google re the other case you mention.
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There is a suggestion the abduction is staged,the unlocked patio door lends itself to this as well.
The unidentified finger print is important to posters not the investigators,I'll repeat do you seriously think £12 million of brit money has not got beyond that.
But we have Mrs Fenn's evidence from 1st May about hearing the patio doors open and the crying coming to an abrupt end so I don't think there's any doubt the McCanns were exiting and entering via the patio doors every evening. Then we have JW's testimony form 3rd May where he states GM had just left 5A from the stairs/gate.
Well I have not seen this aspect of the fingerprint discussed here or elsewhere so its quite possible that OG have not explored the fingerprint in any great detail, yes. Why would they think the fingerprint important when the files from the PJ inveistigation write it off as belonging to a male GNR officer?
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I feel certain that had GA been found guilty in UK he would have been sacked.
I will have a little Google re the other case you mention.
Cristovao. His henchman was caught on CCTV, depositing the money on the instructions of Cristovao.
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There is a suggestion the abduction is staged,the unlocked patio door lends itself to this as well.
The unidentified finger print is important to posters not the investigators,I'll repeat do you seriously think £12 million of brit money has not got beyond that.
There was much more than a 'suggestion' more I would say of a fixation of the man who initially should have had an open mind but chose instead to theorise and publicise his theory to the exclusion of all others at the time of Madeleine's disappearance and in all the years following.
Hardly surprising his investigation failed to meet with simple solutions which obviously met with the evidence which he had overlooked in pursuit of the discredited theories he espoused and promoted.
Scotland Yard and the Judicial police separately reviewed Madeleine's disappearance and found enough neglected evidence to reopen Madeleine's case in 2013 which remains open and active till the present day.
So that evidence suggests that there was evidence of abduction which was found when looked for but when the wrong investigative track ruling out abduction was followed by investigators in 2007 evidence wasn't looked for and therefore although existing was not found.
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So that evidence suggests that there was evidence of abduction which was found when looked for but when the wrong investigative track ruling out abduction was followed by investigators in 2007 evidence wasn't looked for and therefore although existing was not found.
Still nothing to suggest from either investigation, Amaral was wrong,the PJ are open minded to what happened unlike like the blinkered Brits.
May 2017
Martin Brunt:Do you accept the girl was abducted.
Pedro Do Carmo:We don't know what happened and have to be prepared to deal with different scenarios.
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Still nothing to suggest from either investigation, Amaral was wrong,the PJ are open minded to what happened unlike like the blinkered Brits.
May 2017
Martin Brunt:Do you accept the girl was abducted.
Pedro Do Carmo:We don't know what happened and have to be prepared to deal with different scenarios.
There is plenty of evidence that Amaral told fibs in the process of grandstanding his theory.
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There is plenty of evidence that Amaral told fibs in the process of grandstanding his theory.
Yet nothing from either investigation as gone on to show he was wrong,go figure.
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Beggars belief that he was able to keep his job.
The job he'd retired from, you mean?
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Yet nothing from either investigation as gone on to show he was wrong,go figure.
Go figure why both Investigations are keeping quiet. It's quite simple.
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The job he'd retired from, you mean?
Amaral should have been sacked the minute he was convicted of Perjury.
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Amaral should have been sacked the minute he was convicted of Perjury.
When was he convicted, Eleanor?
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When was he convicted, Eleanor?
No idea. You tell me.
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I don't think that given the circumstances the same senior officer should have investigated both cases. Particularly as his investigative methods seemed to be concerned more with prosecuting the mother than investigating kidnap.
Of interest to me was the more recent corruption in football prosecution where it was determined that large financial deposits were paid into the bank accounts of innocent parties apparently without their knowledge. (Cardinal case)
A GNR officer involved in Madeleine's case was the recipient of similar large deposits.
Oooo, err !
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Still nothing to suggest from either investigation, Amaral was wrong,the PJ are open minded to what happened unlike like the blinkered Brits.
May 2017
Martin Brunt:Do you accept the girl was abducted.
Pedro Do Carmo:We don't know what happened and have to be prepared to deal with different scenarios.
I'm not really sure what your point is? PDC saying we have to deal with different scenarios means just that.
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The job he'd retired from, you mean?
Oh yes of course, I was forgetting GA was found guilty in 2009. I was thinking it was shortly after the trial of JC's mother/uncle.
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When was he convicted, Eleanor?
2009 I think?
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Still nothing to suggest from either investigation, Amaral was wrong,the PJ are open minded to what happened unlike like the blinkered Brits.
May 2017
Martin Brunt:Do you accept the girl was abducted.
Pedro Do Carmo:We don't know what happened and have to be prepared to deal with different scenarios.
Wrongdoing/miscarriages of justice often take years to uncover. Think Hillsborough and other long running miscarriages of justice.
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Yet nothing from either investigation as gone on to show he was wrong,go figure.
Neither investigation regards the McCanns as suspects..all the evidence amaral based his theory on has been discredited
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Goodness me!... You aren't half a sourpuss, whether it's this or your endless Brexit sour grapes. You need to lighten up.
I am as light as a feather and none of my posts is remotely sour, I simply made an observation. But thanks for proving my point.
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I'm not really sure what your point is? PDC saying we have to deal with different scenarios means just that.
It means unlike OG they have an open mind and abduction is just but one scenario.
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No idea. You tell me.
I thought you knew, being as you were commenting. How do you think the PJ could sack somone who no longer worked for them?
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I thought you knew, being as you were commenting. How do you think the PJ could sack somone who no longer worked for them?
In that case he probably saw it coming.
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It means unlike OG they have an open mind and abduction is just but one scenario.
I think Mark Rowley said similar.
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I think Mark Rowley said similar.
No that was Pedro do Carmo that said that.
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In that case he probably saw it coming.
I'm all for free speech but this really takes the biscuit...GA is convicted of falsifying evidence over the case of JC. In the interim he is lead detective in the case of MM which contains similar features to the JC case. He was then removed from MM's case by the Portugese authorities but goes on to write a book for commercial gain about MM's case that he was involved in as a public servant!
&%%6, &%%6 and &%%6
For the first time I'm beginning to understand KM's animosity towards this man!
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A tampered crime scene is not evidence of abduction. The only possible evidence of abduction were two sightings of a man carrying a young child. One has been eliminated.
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A tampered crime scene is not evidence of abduction. The only possible evidence of abduction were two sightings of a man carrying a young child. One has been eliminated.
Public assistance is not being sought by OG for the other one.
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Public assistance is not being sought by OG for the other one.
Is there an Operation Grange?
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Is there an Operation Grange?
This is ridiculous. You think that there isn't. And would I care if there wasn't? The PJ were stinking of corruption at the time. And we now all know that.
This is all such a horror story.
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Public assistance is not being sought by OG for the other one.
They got assistance in 2013 and they refuse to say anymore due to operational reasons. As Smithman clearly wants to hide his identity it is up to SY to prove his identity and that will be part of a circumstantial evidence case.
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They got assistance in 2013 and they refuse to say anymore due to operational reasons. As Smithman clearly wants to hide his identity it is up to SY to prove his identity and that will be part of a circumstantial evidence case.
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Hardly Circumstantial. If they ever have such a person.
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I'm all for free speech but this really takes the biscuit...GA is convicted of falsifying evidence over the case of JC. In the interim he is lead detective in the case of MM which contains similar features to the JC case. He was then removed from MM's case by the Portugese authorities but goes on to write a book for commercial gain about MM's case that he was involved in as a public servant!
&%%6, &%%6 and &%%6
For the first time I'm beginning to understand KM's animosity towards this man!
Do you also understand the fustration of the police who had to deal with these muppet like creatures who couldn't string a legible sentence together.
Kate didn't just save her hatred of Amaral there is a very long list of people including a whole counrty!
Do you not find it interesting that Kate acting as the submissive vulnerable good catholic mummy for the cameras offered forgoveness to her daughters 'abductor/s'- believed to be paedophiles, but can not forgive Amaral for writing a book?
Maybe it's just me!
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Do you also understand the fustration of the police who had to deal with these muppet like creatures who couldn't string a legible sentence together.
Kate didn't just save her hatred of Amaral there is a very long list of people including a whole counrty!
Do you not find it interesting that Kate acting as the submissive vulnerable good catholic mummy for the cameras offered forgoveness to her daughters 'abductor/s'- believed to be paedophiles, but can not forgive Amaral for writing a book?
Maybe it's just me!
Strangely enough it seems to me that Amaral's video and book and the subsequent court cases has helped keep the case in the public eye.
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Strangely enough it seems to me that Amaral's video and book and the subsequent court cases has helped keep the case in the public eye.
You see - he's not all bad @)(++(*
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Strangely enough it seems to me that Amaral's video and book and the subsequent court cases has helped keep the case in the public eye.
They say there's no such thing as bad publicity, don't they?
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They say there's no such thing as bad publicity, don't they?
I wouldn't say it has been easy to cope with, but it paid off in the end, and in fact it will be still going long into the future until the ECHR makes it decision.
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Do you also understand the fustration of the police who had to deal with these muppet like creatures who couldn't string a legible sentence together.
Kate didn't just save her hatred of Amaral there is a very long list of people including a whole counrty!
Do you not find it interesting that Kate acting as the submissive vulnerable good catholic mummy for the cameras offered forgoveness to her daughters 'abductor/s'- believed to be paedophiles, but can not forgive Amaral for writing a book?
Maybe it's just me!
But how do you explain the inconsistencies in the testimonies of the first respondents at soc?
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I wouldn't say it has been easy to cope with, but it paid off in the end, and in fact it will be still going long into the future until the ECHR makes it decision.
In the interim there might be further developments in the case leading to twists and turns. &%5y%
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In the interim there might be further developments in the case leading to twists and turns. &%5y%
I think Anthro is closer to solving the case than you are, sorry.
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But how do you explain the inconsistencies in the testimonies of the first respondents at soc?
I can't. I have not read them. I would imagine very confused by all those people walking around 'searching' for an 'abductor' in the apartment...
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I can't. I have not read them. I would imagine very confused by all those people walking around 'searching' for an 'abductor' in the apartment...
Couple with the fact that in a holiday resort kids are frequently reported missing, only to be found safe relatively quickly.
The 'first responders' i.e. the beat copper will know this and will have probably had this in mind.
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Do you also understand the fustration of the police who had to deal with these muppet like creatures who couldn't string a legible sentence together.
Kate didn't just save her hatred of Amaral there is a very long list of people including a whole counrty!
Do you not find it interesting that Kate acting as the submissive vulnerable good catholic mummy for the cameras offered forgoveness to her daughters 'abductor/s'- believed to be paedophiles, but can not forgive Amaral for writing a book?
Maybe it's just me!
I would have expected the Police to have been trained in dealing with parents who had found their child missing. These 'Muppet like creatures' as you called them, were traumatised. Would you be able to interact with the Police properly if your child had disappeared? Do you know that some parents are given medication to help them sleep when faced with such a horrifying experience? No, you like to believe that the McCann's and friends purposely went out of their way to behave in a ridiculous manner in order to hide a crime is that not so?
The McCann's openly thanked the Portuguese people for all the kindness they give them, they are still visiting Portugal to see friends there. Their grievance is with Amaral, who not only made up reasons why the McCann's were guilty of hiding their child's body, but went out and wrote a book about it. So that the public would also believe his ridiculous claims. Money was the sole purpose as to why he wrote his book and nothing else.
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I must admit to finding “muppet-like creatures” a strange description of parents who have just discovered their child missing. Which muppets did Miss Taken have in mind, specifically? Miss Piggy? Kermit? The Grumpy Old Men? Beaker? The Swedish Chef? All aforementioned muppets I find infinitely more articulate than the author of this description I might add.
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I think Anthro is closer to solving the case than you are, sorry.
I have no idea what Anthro's theory is/suspect(s) are so I'm unable to comment. And since you have no idea about my theory/suspect(s) you're not in position to know whether or not Anthro is closer to solving the case than I am.
I can see Anthro joined the forum several years ago but has only recently joined in the debate. Imo this means he/she is likely to have a better understanding of the case than most here as he/she does not waste time engaging in petty spats nor is he/she overly concerned with tribalism ie sceptic v supporter and/or intolerant of the views of others.
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I have no idea what Anthro's theory is/suspect(s) are so I'm unable to comment. And since you have no idea about my theory/suspect(s) you're not in position to know whether or not Anthro is closer to solving the case than I am.
I can see Anthro joined the forum several years ago but has only recently joined in the debate. Imo this means he/she is likely to have a better understanding of the case than most here as he/she does not waste time engaging in petty spats nor is he/she overly concerned with tribalism ie sceptic v supporter and/or intolerant of the views of others.
I think you are making a gross and inaccurate assumption Re Anthro... And your constant criticism of long term posters here is the insulting and goading
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I can't. I have not read them. I would imagine very confused by all those people walking around 'searching' for an 'abductor' in the apartment...
You joined the forum 19th June 2014. You've made 4,757 posts of which 4,090 pertain to this case. You have very strong opinions about the case and yet you have not read the wit stats of first respondents. May I ask how you have formed your conclusions/opinions?
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I have no idea what Anthro's theory is/suspect(s) are so I'm unable to comment. And since you have no idea about my theory/suspect(s) you're not in position to know whether or not Anthro is closer to solving the case than I am.
I can see Anthro joined the forum several years ago but has only recently joined in the debate. Imo this means he/she is likely to have a better understanding of the case than most here as he/she does not waste time engaging in petty spats nor is he/she overly concerned with tribalism ie sceptic v supporter and/or intolerant of the views of others.
I can't tell you too much, but what I was told really surprised me.
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I think you are making a gross and inaccurate assumption Re Anthro... And your constant criticism of long term posters here is the insulting and goading
Where exactly have I criticised Anthro and/or other long term posters here and which of my posts in your opinion amount to insults and goading?
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Where exactly have I criticised Anthro?
I've said you criticised long term posters... And Threatening permanent bans... I'm sure you have no authority and would have no support from John in that respect
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I've said you criticised long term posters... And Threatening permanent bans... I'm sure you have no authority and would have no support from John in that respect
And I asked you to identify where I have criticised long term posters?
I am a moderator of the forum and as such I have a range of tools at my disposal to ensure the smooth running of the forum for the benefit of the majority.
I will start up a new thread to discuss moderation so as to not take this thread off-topic.
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And I asked you to identify where I have criticised long term posters?
I am a moderator of the forum and as such I have a range of tools at my disposal to ensure the smooth running of the forum for the benefit of the majority.
I will start up a new thread to discuss moderation so as to not take this thread off-topic.
Yet when I reported a picture by Rob comparing me to a picture of Gollum you took no action and, I had to wait for John to remove the offensive post.
This is, what you have posted..
I can see Anthro joined the forum several years ago but has only recently joined in the debate. Imo this means he/she is likely to have a better understanding of the case than most here as he/she does not waste time engaging in petty spats nor is he/she overly concerned with tribalism ie sceptic v supporter and/or intolerant of the views of others.
I see that as unfair criticism of long term posters, and your threat of permanent bans is, absurd
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Yet when I reported a picture by Rob comparing me to a picture of Gollum you took no action and, I had to wait for John to remove the offensive post.
This is, what you have posted..
I can see Anthro joined the forum several years ago but has only recently joined in the debate. Imo this means he/she is likely to have a better understanding of the case than most here as he/she does not waste time engaging in petty spats nor is he/she overly concerned with tribalism ie sceptic v supporter and/or intolerant of the views of others.
I see that as unfair criticism of long term posters, and your threat of permanent bans is, absurd
I've started up a new thread now to discuss the above:
https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11040.0