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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: jelgoon on February 09, 2020, 02:52:14 AM

Title: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: jelgoon on February 09, 2020, 02:52:14 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

Seems Bamber didnt do much grieving. And before Holly says that people grieve in different ways - Bamber didnt grieve at all. Ever. Even for his six year old nephews who were slaughtered in their beds. Collins’ interview is quite damaging to Bamber’s non- existent chances of getting out. Collins was with him the whole time.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 04:51:09 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285)

Seems Bamber didnt do much grieving. And before Holly says that people grieve in different ways - Bamber didnt grieve at all. Ever. Even for his six year old nephews who were slaughtered in their beds. Collins’ interview is quite damaging to Bamber’s non- existent chances of getting out. Collins was with him the whole time.
Wow!  I thought Colin Caffell's reappearance after thirty-five years was unusual, but this is surprising!

Wonder if the interview paid off his debts?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 06:38:28 AM
An itsy-bitsy from Julie S... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10924889/woman-killer-jeremy-bamber-tracked-canada/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10924889/woman-killer-jeremy-bamber-tracked-canada/)
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 09, 2020, 10:58:13 AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

Seems Bamber didnt do much grieving. And before Holly says that people grieve in different ways - Bamber didnt grieve at all. Ever. Even for his six year old nephews who were slaughtered in their beds. Collins’ interview is quite damaging to Bamber’s non- existent chances of getting out. Collins was with him the whole time.

Wow! That is interesting - he didn't have to say anything.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 09, 2020, 11:12:36 AM
Crumbs! This is a real turn up for the books and answers some of the questions we were asking on here just the other day.

Good on him for speaking out when he has kept his head down for so long. The arrogant young man has grown up, mellowed, and reflected on his youthful mistakes. All that remains is for Bamber to also do the decent thing
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: APRIL on February 09, 2020, 11:13:18 AM
Wow! That is interesting - he didn't have to say anything.


It's amazing how much interest having nothing to say has stirred up 8(0(*
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 09, 2020, 12:30:28 PM

It's amazing how much interest having nothing to say has stirred up 8(0(*

Answers a lot of questions for me.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: APRIL on February 09, 2020, 12:45:58 PM
Answers a lot of questions for me.


I found it rather illuminating.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 09, 2020, 12:56:16 PM
I always perceived him as a nasty piece of work going from the croutons of information we knew about him, such as the Sheila photos and the arrogance in front of the police etc
But he comes across as a good bloke here, his story certainly has the ring of truth about it.

What a blow for Jeremy.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

Seems Bamber didnt do much grieving. And before Holly says that people grieve in different ways - Bamber didnt grieve at all. Ever. Even for his six year old nephews who were slaughtered in their beds. Collins’ interview is quite damaging to Bamber’s non- existent chances of getting out. Collins was with him the whole time.

I prefer the opinion of Dr Craig, a medi doctor, who was at WHF when JB was told about his family and said in his opinion JB was in a state of shock.

The only person who knows how he felt about his family pre and post murders is JB.

And yes grieving takes many forms including 'delayed' grief.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
Wow!  I thought Colin Caffell's reappearance after thirty-five years was unusual, but this is surprising!

Wonder if the interview paid off his debts?

I thought Paul Harrison tracked down JB and contributed to his book published in 2015?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
Wow! That is interesting - he didn't have to say anything.

Where's the evidential value in what he has said?

I posted the other day that JB talks a lot of rubbish and you disagreed with me.  The idea JB has an alibi based on the so-called movement at the window aka trick of the light is just one example of the rubbish he talks.  BC is just being honest when he knows full well that JB does not have an alibi.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 09, 2020, 01:35:09 PM
I always perceived him as a nasty piece of work going from the croutons of information we knew about him, such as the Sheila photos and the arrogance in front of the police etc
But he comes across as a good bloke here, his story certainly has the ring of truth about it.

What a blow for Jeremy.

Tissues to the ready...
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 01:35:44 PM
Crumbs! This is a real turn up for the books and answers some of the questions we were asking on here just the other day.

Good on him for speaking out when he has kept his head down for so long. The arrogant young man has grown up, mellowed, and reflected on his youthful mistakes. All that remains is for Bamber to also do the decent thing

What youthful mistakes are you referring to?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
Answers a lot of questions for me.

Such as?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
I always perceived him as a nasty piece of work going from the croutons of information we knew about him, such as the Sheila photos and the arrogance in front of the police etc
But he comes across as a good bloke here, his story certainly has the ring of truth about it.

What a blow for Jeremy.

Why is it a blow for Jeremy?

Do you think CCRC/CoA are going to reject irrefutable new forensic evidence choosing instead to rely on a former friend's view of subjective matter that holds zero evidential value? 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 02:17:19 PM
And nothing about all the things JB and/or BC were supposed to have got up to in the Antipodes which included dealing drugs including heroin, murder, armed robbery, theft of diamonds and designer watches and traveller cheque fraud.  I'm surprised JB had any time and/or energy left to satisfy the sexual appetite of a cougar with all of what it is claimed he got up to!

Oh actually I see that was a different trip! 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Nicholas on February 09, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
Why is it a blow for Jeremy?

Do you think CCRC/CoA are going to reject irrefutable new forensic evidence choosing instead to rely on a former friend's view of subjective matter that holds zero evidential value?

What do you know about innocent fraud Holly?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 09, 2020, 02:23:14 PM
Where's the evidential value in what he has said?

I posted the other day that JB talks a lot of rubbish and you disagreed with me.  The idea JB has an alibi based on the so-called movement at the window aka trick of the light is just one example of the rubbish he talks.  BC is just being honest when he knows full well that JB does not have an alibi.

Cases are also built on what witness's state. Until now, we haven't really known what this guys impressions were. He could have maintained silence but he has chosen to speak out. I just wish they has asked him about the Fielder meeting.

It's a pity Jeremy wasn't honest about 'his alibi'.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
What do you know about innocent fraud Holly?

Nothing.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 02:30:06 PM
Cases are also built on what witness's state. Until now, we haven't really known what this guys impressions were. He could have maintained silence but he has chosen to speak out. I just wish they has asked him about the Fielder meeting.

It's a pity Jeremy wasn't honest about 'his alibi'.

Firstly BC's recent account is entirely different to the one he is quoted as giving some 34 years ago. Secondly we are not hearing from him direct.  How reliable is the source?  Even if it is reliable I can appreciate where he's coming from.  He will find it difficult to understand how JB is still behind bars if he's innocent and then there's JB's obvious BS about an alibi.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Nicholas on February 09, 2020, 02:45:29 PM
Firstly BC's recent account is entirely different to the one he is quoted as giving some 34 years ago. Secondly we are not hearing from him direct.  How reliable is the source?  Even if it is reliable I can appreciate where he's coming from.  He will find it difficult to understand how JB is still behind bars if he's innocent and then there's JB's obvious BS about an alibi.

You didn’t tell us you’d been in prison for 34 years Holly
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: John on February 09, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

Seems Bamber didnt do much grieving. And before Holly says that people grieve in different ways - Bamber didnt grieve at all. Ever. Even for his six year old nephews who were slaughtered in their beds. Collins’ interview is quite damaging to Bamber’s non- existent chances of getting out. Collins was with him the whole time.

Thank you for posting that article jelgoon and welcome back to the forum.

I always wondered why Brett Collins refused to speak publicly about Jeremy Bamber given all he knew about him but to his credit he has done it at last.  Undoubtedly, Bamber will be furious about this final betrayal but it was only a matter of time.

Jeremy Bamber's latest musings about an alibi has only one aim and that is to keep him in the public eye.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: barrier on February 09, 2020, 02:57:31 PM
Firstly BC's recent account is entirely different to the one he is quoted as giving some 34 years ago. Secondly we are not hearing from him direct.  How reliable is the source?  Even if it is reliable I can appreciate where he's coming from.  He will find it difficult to understand how JB is still behind bars if he's innocent and then there's JB's obvious BS about an alibi.

On the other hand he may be disappointed that Bamber still protest's his innocence.

“Jeremy should stop this appeal, stop stirring things up and leave people alone. He should never be released from jail.”
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 09, 2020, 03:00:38 PM
Thank you for posting that article jelgoon and welcome back to the forum.

I always wondered why Brett Collins refused to speak publicly about Jeremy Bamber given all he knew about him but to his credit he has done it at last.  Undoubtedly, Bamber will be furious about this final betrayal but it was only a matter of time.

He doesn't discuss their 'relationship '  just mates? I am wondering if ,like JM,  He was also being played, and his feelings were all over the place.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Nicholas on February 09, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
Nothing.

How would it be in the public’s interest to overturn Bamber’s 5 murder convictions on a technicality Holly?

The fact he’s spent 34 years in prison will mean releasing him back into main stream society would present too great a risk, would it not?

What has previous research thrown up re the 437 overturned convictions following referrals made to the CoA by the CCRC?

Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: John on February 09, 2020, 03:04:02 PM
He doesn't discuss their 'relationship '  just mates? I am wondering if ,like JM,  He was also being played, and his feelings were all over the place.

Very possible. It was such a dreadful crime I can well understand people associated with him refusing to believe he had a hand in it.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 09, 2020, 03:10:27 PM
Why is it a blow for Jeremy?

Do you think CCRC/CoA are going to reject irrefutable new forensic evidence choosing instead to rely on a former friend's view of subjective matter that holds zero evidential value?

Clearly any new forensic evidence will be very much refutable and open to interpretation.

Your absolutely right of course on BC's view being irrelevant from an appeal perspective. It is still a bitter blow for Jeremy because of the negative publicity - we have barely heard a squeak from his old partner in crime in 35 years.

I eagerly await news of this new forensic evidence.



Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: John on February 09, 2020, 03:41:14 PM
A little background to Brett Collins.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7210.msg329903#msg329903
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1520.msg44130#msg44130


An unregistered vehicle dealer has been fined a record $30,000 following his fifth conviction in eight years.

The 61-year-old Waiheke Island man, Brett Eric Collins, was convicted in the Auckland District Court of unregistered trading in motor vehicles.

He sold eight vehicles in 12 months, which exceeded the limit of six allowed under the Motor Vehicle Sales Act.

The $30,000 fine last month was the largest imposed under the act, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment said.

Fines for unregistered vehicle trading usually average about $4600.

Ministry registries integrity and enforcement team manager Karla Flood said the heavy penalty reflected the fact this was the man's fifth conviction since 2006 for the same offence.

"This defendant continued to sell motor vehicles for several years, despite several previous convictions for selling motor vehicles without being registered," she said.

"This prosecution is a reminder to the motor vehicle trade that enforcement action will be taken for those that don't abide by the rules."

The number of unregistered traders in motor vehicles was rising largely due to a change in trader behaviour towards online markets, she said.

"Unregistered motor vehicle traders are not subject to the checks that apply to those who are registered, and consumers may have less protection when something goes wrong.

"This penalty sends out the message that this kind of reckless behaviour will not be tolerated."

The registrar of motor vehicle traders worked with organisations such as Trade Me, New Zealand Customs and New Zealand Transport Agency to help identify unregistered traders and investigated 228 unregistered traders over the past year.

Of those, 185 investigations were finalised with no court action needed, 23 remained under investigation, and 20 cases were before the courts.

Nineteen convictions were obtained in the past year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10224335/30k-fine-for-selling-too-many-vehicles
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 09, 2020, 03:44:48 PM
A little background to Brett Collins.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7210.msg329903#msg329903


An unregistered vehicle dealer has been fined a record $30,000 following his fifth conviction in eight years.

The 61-year-old Waiheke Island man, Brett Eric Collins, was convicted in the Auckland District Court of unregistered trading in motor vehicles.

He sold eight vehicles in 12 months, which exceeded the limit of six allowed under the Motor Vehicle Sales Act.

The $30,000 fine last month was the largest imposed under the act, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment said.

Fines for unregistered vehicle trading usually average about $4600.

Ministry registries integrity and enforcement team manager Karla Flood said the heavy penalty reflected the fact this was the man's fifth conviction since 2006 for the same offence.

"This defendant continued to sell motor vehicles for several years, despite several previous convictions for selling motor vehicles without being registered," she said.

"This prosecution is a reminder to the motor vehicle trade that enforcement action will be taken for those that don't abide by the rules."

The number of unregistered traders in motor vehicles was rising largely due to a change in trader behaviour towards online markets, she said.

"Unregistered motor vehicle traders are not subject to the checks that apply to those who are registered, and consumers may have less protection when something goes wrong.

"This penalty sends out the message that this kind of reckless behaviour will not be tolerated."

The registrar of motor vehicle traders worked with organisations such as Trade Me, New Zealand Customs and New Zealand Transport Agency to help identify unregistered traders and investigated 228 unregistered traders over the past year.

Of those, 185 investigations were finalised with no court action needed, 23 remained under investigation, and 20 cases were before the courts.

Nineteen convictions were obtained in the past year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10224335/30k-fine-for-selling-too-many-vehicles

Thanks for this John.

He is hardly a hardened criminal. selling cars without a license-  bit like parking fines really.
Title: Re: Brett Collins in the Mirror
Post by: Caroline on February 09, 2020, 04:10:29 PM
Firstly BC's recent account is entirely different to the one he is quoted as giving some 34 years ago. Secondly we are not hearing from him direct.  How reliable is the source?  Even if it is reliable I can appreciate where he's coming from.  He will find it difficult to understand how JB is still behind bars if he's innocent and then there's JB's obvious BS about an alibi.

BC couldn't wait to get back to NZ after Jeremy was arrested, he has kept silent, choosing NOT to defend Jeremy for 34 years. He was the closest person to him after the murders and is certainly better positioned to comment on what Jeremy was like. He had to to reflect after making his first statement and if he still felt the same now, then there would be no reason for the revision. 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: mrswah on February 09, 2020, 04:35:45 PM
So, Brett has spoken out, also there is an article in the Sun about Julie (some reporter managed to track her down). Colin and CAL have contributed to the ITV series (or, at least, their books have), and I have heard on the grapevine that Roger Wilkes is going to reissue his book .

Are they all just  cashing in, or are they afraid that Jeremy might win an appeal ?

Interesting stuff, but it's going to take more than Brett Collins to get me off the fence!
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
So, Brett has spoken out, also there is an article in the Sun about Julie (some reporter managed to track her down). Colin and CAL have contributed to the ITV series (or, at least, their books have), and I have heard on the grapevine that Roger Wilkes is going to reissue his book .

Are they all just  cashing in, or are they afraid that Jeremy might win an appeal ?

Interesting stuff, but it's going to take more than Brett Collins to get me off the fence!
That pointy picket fence must be giving you a sore botty by now!  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: barrier on February 09, 2020, 04:58:50 PM
Thanks for this John.

He is hardly a hardened criminal. selling cars without a license-  bit like parking fines really.

Or you if lie done with dogs you get fleas.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
I thought Paul Harrison tracked down JB and contributed to his book published in 2015?
He did by phone (allegedly!) and Brett told him much the same story as in the Mirror - that he'd changed his mind!
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on February 09, 2020, 05:57:08 PM
Or you if lie done with dogs you get fleas.


Oh Barrier...  Really? you think both crimes are similar because they are crimes?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 06:22:34 PM
Thank you for posting that article jelgoon and welcome back to the forum.

I always wondered why Brett Collins refused to speak publicly about Jeremy Bamber given all he knew about him but to his credit he has done it at last.  Undoubtedly, Bamber will be furious about this final betrayal but it was only a matter of time.

Jeremy Bamber's latest musings about an alibi has only one aim and that is to keep him in the public eye.

According to CAL's book, BC was interviewed in Australia post trial:

In Australia, Brett gave an interview to the press, declaring that he was 'absolutely shattered' by the verdict and would continue to believe in Jeremy's innocence until he heard otherwise from him."

The source is CP's book so not sure how reliable it is.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 06:25:35 PM
On the other hand he may be disappointed that Bamber still protest's his innocence.

“Jeremy should stop this appeal, stop stirring things up and leave people alone. He should never be released from jail.”

And you know for a fact that these are BC's words as quoted by the journo.

I would remind everyone of Paul Harrison's claims and subsequent outing.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 09, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
And you know for a fact that these are BC's words as quoted by the journo.

I would remind everyone of Paul Harrison's claims and subsequent outing.

There was a difference, PH claimed that someone 'calling themselves' BC contacted him. Todays article is quoting BC and has up to date pictures.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: barrier on February 09, 2020, 06:29:55 PM
And you know for a fact that these are BC's words as quoted by the journo.

I would remind everyone of Paul Harrison's claims and subsequent outing.

Wheat from the chaff is always a problem.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 06:33:04 PM
He doesn't discuss their 'relationship '  just mates? I am wondering if ,like JM,  He was also being played, and his feelings were all over the place.

Former girlfriends have never publicly wavered:

In Jersey, Sue Ford told the media that she, too, was in shock, remembering how Jeremy 'couldn't bear to hurt [even] the smallest animal'.

Sue Ford was a much older woman with three children who JB had a relationship with and introduced her to his parents at his 21st birthday.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
Former girlfriends have never publicly wavered:

In Jersey, Sue Ford told the media that she, too, was in shock, remembering how Jeremy 'couldn't bear to hurt [even] the smallest animal'.

Sue Ford was a much older woman with three children who JB had a relationship with and introduced her to his parents at his 21st birthday.
Why did Nevill buy him an Anschutz then if it wasn't to scramble bunnies brains?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 06:43:15 PM
There was a difference, PH claimed that someone 'calling themselves' BC contacted him. Todays article is quoting BC and has up to date pictures.

Yes I appreciate that but I don't take at face value journo's and book authors.  I was referring to PH's claims in general contained in his book re JB and claims in the Scottish DE re death threats.

I read PH's book re the boy under the stairs and imo I would say he is mentally unwell.

You will recall NZ based Sampson from here and IA; I will try and make contact to see what he can establish.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 06:51:13 PM
Why did Nevill buy him an Anschutz then if it wasn't to scramble bunnies brains?

Where's the evidence NB bought the Anschutz for JB?  JB didn't have a firearms licence (when he could have done) and I'm not aware of him going on shoots?  Of course he would understand that vermin and bunnies needed controlling to preserve crops.

Conversley SC and CC went beating which is all about getting pheasants to fly up for the shooters! 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: APRIL on February 09, 2020, 06:56:35 PM
Former girlfriends have never publicly wavered:

In Jersey, Sue Ford told the media that she, too, was in shock, remembering how Jeremy 'couldn't bear to hurt [even] the smallest animal'.

Sue Ford was a much older woman with three children who JB had a relationship with and introduced her to his parents at his 21st birthday.


I wonder if all those who, 30+ years ago held he was innocent, are still of the same mind? People do change their minds.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 07:01:55 PM

I wonder if all those who, 30+ years ago held he was innocent, are still of the same mind? People do change their minds.

Of course they do, like the weather!  No doubt when his conviction is overturned they'll change again and many will crawl out the woodwork 'I always thought he was innocent...'

Same old, same old...
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 07:12:17 PM
Where's the evidence NB bought the Anschutz for JB?  JB didn't have a firearms licence (when he could have done) and I'm not aware of him going on shoots?  Of course he would understand that vermin and bunnies needed controlling to preserve crops.

Conversley SC and CC went beating which is all about getting pheasants to fly up for the shooters!
Oh come on Holly, it was his boy's toy!  Prior to that he enquired with Peter Eaton about buying a five-shot shotgun and Colin remembered that he used a shotgun on a Boxing Day shoot in Scotland.  What about the two ducks he shot and gifted to Christine Bacon?  Or the Anschutz target contests he had with Anthony Pargeter?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 07:16:02 PM
I have to say I'm somewhat disappointed in the posts here seeing them as disingenoius.  Many here have suggested BC was involved in all sorts of wrongdoing with JB even hinting that his alibi might not have stacked up to the degree he was JB's accomplice in the shootings at WHF.  Yet some hack has now gone to print quoting BC and he has  been swallowed hook line and sinker!?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 07:24:55 PM
Oh come on Holly, it was his boy's toy!  Prior to that he enquired with Peter Eaton about buying a five-shot shotgun and Colin remembered that he used a shotgun on a Boxing Day shoot in Scotland.  What about the two ducks he shot and gifted to Christine Bacon?  Or the Anschutz target contests he had with Anthony Pargeter?

Evidence for it being his boy's toy?  The shotgun was supposedly for pigeon shooting.  (I hate those damn things and if you handed me a shotgun I would gladly shoot them).
Christine Bacon wasn't his girlfriend and if you want to quote her you might well question why she was hauled in to the police station during the early hours.  This is Christine Bacon who was mother of Matthew MacDonald's child.  This is MM who at the time was married and living with his wife and yet on the night of the murders was with another lover ie not the wife or mother of his child, Christine Bacon! Another lover as in Mavis Southgate.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 09, 2020, 07:29:58 PM
Evidence for it being his boy's toy?  The shotgun was supposedly for pigeon shooting.  (I hate those damn things and if you handed me a shotgun I would gladly shoot them).
Christine Bacon wasn't his girlfriend and if you want to quote her you might well question why she was hauled in to the police station during the early hours.  This is Christine Bacon who was mother of Matthew MacDonald's child.  This is MM who at the time was married and living with his wife and yet on the night of the murders was with another lover ie not the wife or mother of his child, Christine Bacon! Another lover as in Mavis Southgate.
He shot his family with it on August 7th.1985.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 09, 2020, 07:33:53 PM
He shot his family with it on August 7th.1985.

In which case why was one of SC's fingerprints on it?
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 09, 2020, 10:34:19 PM
In which case why was one of SC's fingerprints on it?

Because Jeremy arranged the crime scene to make it appear as if his deranged sister was the culprit.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: James55 on February 09, 2020, 11:04:51 PM

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Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 10, 2020, 05:09:58 AM
In which case why was one of SC's fingerprints on it?
He gave her a hand...
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 10, 2020, 05:23:29 AM
Another protagonist makes an appearance...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7984669/Jeremy-Bambers-girlfriend-helped-jail-murders-seen-Canadian-home.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7984669/Jeremy-Bambers-girlfriend-helped-jail-murders-seen-Canadian-home.html)
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 10:07:30 AM
Because Jeremy arranged the crime scene to make it appear as if his deranged sister was the culprit.

No.  The police interfered with soc evidenced by A/PS Woodcock's testimony that SC's head was wedged up against the bedside cabinet whereas soc images taken later show her head flat to the floor.  This can be further evidenced by expert testimony from Martyn Ismail who testified at the 2002 appeal hearing that SC had been moved post death at soc.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 10, 2020, 11:18:00 AM
No.  The police interfered with soc evidenced by A/PS Woodcock's testimony that SC's head was wedged up against the bedside cabinet whereas soc images taken later show her head flat to the floor.  This can be further evidenced by expert testimony from Martyn Ismail who testified at the 2002 appeal hearing that SC had been moved post death at soc.

Yes. All that implies is bungling bobbies at soc, not that Bamber didn't arrange the crime scene
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 10, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
Of course they do, like the weather!  No doubt when his conviction is overturned they'll change again and many will crawl out the woodwork 'I always thought he was innocent...'

Same old, same old...

'they' don't change their mind like the weather in my experience. They change their mind just the once.

And it's always one way traffic from Sheila to Bamber. You can't convince people to accept the lie again once they come to know the truth
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 10, 2020, 11:53:09 AM
Very possible. It was such a dreadful crime I can well understand people associated with him refusing to believe he had a hand in it.

Especially as they were such good friends - not easy to admit that your besty just killed 5 people including two 6 years olds and you've been hanging around with him. Bound to be a bit on the defensive - but after his return to NZ, he said nothing, even after the trial.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Yes. All that implies is bungling bobbies at soc, not that Bamber didn't arrange the crime scene

It shows the police interfered with soc.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 12:40:38 PM
'they' don't change their mind like the weather in my experience. They change their mind just the once.

And it's always one way traffic from Sheila to Bamber. You can't convince people to accept the lie again once they come to know the truth

Of course they do when convictions are over turned on solid grounds. 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
Especially as they were such good friends - not easy to admit that your besty just killed 5 people including two 6 years olds and you've been hanging around with him. Bound to be a bit on the defensive - but after his return to NZ, he said nothing, even after the trial.

Prior to BC turning up in 1985 what contact did the pair have from the time JB first met and left NZ in 1982? 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 10, 2020, 12:48:47 PM
Of course they do when convictions are over turned on solid grounds.

Which won't happen here as the conviction is solid and there are no grounds for appeal
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 12:50:09 PM
Which won't happen here as the conviction is solid and there are no grounds for appeal

Steve seriously how can you possibly know what is going on behind the scenes? 
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 10, 2020, 01:03:40 PM
Steve seriously how can you possibly know what is going on behind the scenes?

The Ct and his solicitor seem to be working hand in had this time (or it appears so); everything they are promoting as seems to be all the old claims which Simon McKay didn't use. You know yourself that such claims are without substance. If they had something, they would have used it to deflect all this bad publicity and not begged ITV not to show the drama - that was a bad move.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
The Ct and his solicitor seem to be working hand in had this time (or it appears so); everything they are promoting as seems to be all the old claims which Simon McKay didn't use. You know yourself that such claims are without substance. If they had something, they would have used it to deflect all this bad publicity and not begged ITV not to show the drama - that was a bad move.

No idea I'm not part of the 'Campaign Team'.  I declined the offer to join years ago.

It seems to much of what it bangs on about has already been rejected by CCRC.  And I haven't seen or heard anything capable of withstanding scrutiny. And if they had it in the bag why go on about non-disclosure.

I'm part of the 'A' team  8(>(( ?>)()<
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 10, 2020, 02:23:51 PM
No idea I'm not part of the 'Campaign Team'.  I declined the offer to join years ago.

It seems to much of what it bangs on about has already been rejected by CCRC.  And I haven't seen or heard anything capable of withstanding scrutiny. And if they had it in the bag why go on about non-disclosure.

I'm part of the 'A' team  8(>(( ?>)()<

And we all know what happened to them  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Myster on February 10, 2020, 02:41:30 PM
Holly's 'A' team stooges... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXHnxegKbE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXHnxegKbE)
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Eleanor on February 10, 2020, 02:45:08 PM
The Ct and his solicitor seem to be working hand in had this time (or it appears so); everything they are promoting as seems to be all the old claims which Simon McKay didn't use. You know yourself that such claims are without substance. If they had something, they would have used it to deflect all this bad publicity and not begged ITV not to show the drama - that was a bad move.

That ITV thingy is ghastly.  What a cock up.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 10, 2020, 06:22:52 PM
Prior to BC turning up in 1985 what contact did the pair have from the time JB first met and left NZ in 1982?

Well you would have to ask him that but they were certainly close post murders.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 10, 2020, 06:23:19 PM
That ITV thingy is ghastly.  What a cock up.

Don't watch it then.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 10, 2020, 06:59:37 PM
Well you would have to ask him that but they were certainly close post murders.

Were they?  I think it was a coincidence BC turned up when he did thereafter he assisted JB with the practicalities.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 10, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Were they?  I think it was a coincidence BC turned up when he did thereafter he assisted JB with the practicalities.

Close enough.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 11, 2020, 02:06:55 AM
He may well have just happened to be in the UK that summer but I think it's fair to say they were close.
They went abroad together at least twice including that trip to St Tropez with all those shared experiences a holiday brings, and police had suspicion enough to arrest Brett too at Dover port on their return.

He provides some interesting details and comes across well. Certainly, this is a terrible psychological blow for the campaign. A close ally of the day who has held his counsel for 35 years (apart from 1 questionable reference) resurfaces stating he believes Jeremy was guilty almost from the beginning.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Caroline on February 11, 2020, 07:40:54 AM
He may well have just happened to be in the UK that summer but I think it's fair to say they were close.
They went abroad together at least twice including that trip to St Tropez with all those shared experiences a holiday brings, and police had suspicion enough to arrest Brett too at Dover port on their return.

He provides some interesting details and comes across well. Certainly, this is a terrible psychological blow for the campaign. A close ally of the day who has held his counsel for 35 years (apart from 1 questionable reference) resurfaces stating he believes Jeremy was guilty almost from the beginning.

I agree!
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Eleanor on February 11, 2020, 08:50:18 AM
Don't watch it then.

Why?  It's convincing me that Jeremy Bamber is Innocent.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 11, 2020, 03:50:20 PM
Why?  It's convincing me that Jeremy Bamber is Innocent.

That's logical. Instead of looking at the evidence simply study a salacious ITV drama and go backwards from there
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 11, 2020, 07:27:18 PM
That's logical. Instead of looking at the evidence simply study a salacious ITV drama and go backwards from there

The drama is based on CAL's book, who has made no secret of her personal's views on JB's guilt, but imo the content and acting is so cheesy its an OG for JB imo.
Title: Re: Jeremy Bamber's former pal Brett Collins breaks his silence after 35 years.
Post by: steve_trousers on February 11, 2020, 08:23:28 PM
The drama is based on CAL's book, who has made no secret of her personal's views on JB's guilt, but imo the content and acting is so cheesy its an OG for JB imo.

Yes, these dramatisations never live up to the book. They have to make it all sexy and salacious. So why I should gently steer Eleanor away to form her opinions based on the facts.

I am in Denmark with no access to a television set at the moment.