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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: ISpyWithMyEye on April 29, 2020, 03:25:33 PM
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I think the Bambers had their last dinner between 8:30 & 9pm — is that correct?
Does anyone know what they had for dinner?
I’m curious about something...
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Bamber said in his 1st WS that they were having supper between 8-9pm but didn't say what they were eating.
On a slightly related note, I wonder if JB slipped a tranquilliser into Crispy's bowl so he wouldn't bark when he sneaked back in while they were all asleep? According to Julie he was planning to drug them all at one time. I wouldn't put anything past him.
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I didn’t have time to write everything I wanted to ask, but this is why I believe it’s important that we know what time the Bamber’s had their dinner.
I’m sure it was between 8:30 & 9pm...and from what I’ve read, Sheila went to bed about 10pm
In Dr Vanezis’ PM report he stated that Sheila had “partially digested food in her stomach”
Once someone’s eaten it takes 2.5 to 3 hours for 50% of the food to leave the stomach and then goes into the rest of the digestive system
After between 4-5 hours the stomach is completely empty.
Sheila’s stomach was only PARTIALLY digested.
That means, when Sheila had her dinner at approximately 8/9pm her stomach would have been totally empty by 2am, and half empty by between 11pm and midnight...
The fact her stomach was only partially empty when Dr Vanezis conducted the post mortem on her means she must have died NO LATER than approximately 2am; maybe sooner. So that means she couldn’t have gone berserk with the gun at 3am. Nor could she have been prowling around inside the house, walking past windows, turning lights on/off, called 999 at 6am; and more crucially, couldn’t have beaten Nevill to a pulp supposedly AFTER he called Jeremy at at 3:20am.
To reiterate, Sheila’s last dinner would have left her stomach no later than 2am — possibly much sooner — but as the pathologist stated, the food was only PARTIALLY digested from her stomach, which shows she must have died approximately 2/3 hours after having eaten as her food was only partially digested.
So what this means is that Sheila died much earlier than 3am and that she couldn’t have been going berserk with a gun at 3:25am as she was dead.
Thoughts anyone?
Oh, I’ve posted a link to digestion just to make it clear.
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Another interesting point Ispy.
From the Robin Garbutt case I have learned that gastric analysis is not the most reliable for giving a precise time of death, requiring further information as to what and how much was eaten at what time but from the information you have posted this would certainly seem to end all the CT silly claims to Sheila being alive until gone 7, not that anyone with a brain takes them seriously.
Great work 8((()*/
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Another interesting point Ispy.
From the Robin Garbutt case I have learned that gastric analysis is not the most reliable for giving a precise time of death, requiring further information as to what and how much was eaten at what time but from the information you have posted this would certainly seem to end all the CT silly claims to Sheila being alive until gone 7, not that anyone with a brain takes them seriously.
Great work 8((()*/
Vanezis documented that Sheila had partially digested food in her stomach. He didn't document for all victims but has recently stated that ALL victims were the same.
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Vanezis documented that Sheila had partially digested food in her stomach. He didn't document for all victims but has recently stated that ALL victims were the same.
Yes, I don't think there was ever any serious doubt that they all died around the same time, unless you believe some photoshopped pics that show the blood still flowing at 10.30....
Still, this is a great spot by Ispy. the CT might have to throw away all those unsold #SheilaAlive badges and pens!
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I didn’t have time to write everything I wanted to ask, but this is why I believe it’s important that we know what time the Bamber’s had their dinner.
I’m sure it was between 8:30 & 9pm...and from what I’ve read, Sheila went to bed about 10pm
In Dr Vanezis’ PM report he stated that Sheila had “partially digested food in her stomach”
Once someone’s eaten it takes 2.5 to 3 hours for 50% of the food to leave the stomach and then goes into the rest of the digestive system
After between 4-5 hours the stomach is completely empty.
Sheila’s stomach was only PARTIALLY digested.
That means, when Sheila had her dinner at approximately 8/9pm her stomach would have been totally empty by 2am, and half empty by between 11pm and midnight...
The fact her stomach was only partially empty when Dr Vanezis conducted the post mortem on her means she must have died NO LATER than approximately 2am; maybe sooner. So that means she couldn’t have gone berserk with the gun at 3am. Nor could she have been prowling around inside the house, walking past windows, turning lights on/off, called 999 at 6am; and more crucially, couldn’t have beaten Nevill to a pulp supposedly AFTER he called Jeremy at at 3:20am.
To reiterate, Sheila’s last dinner would have left her stomach no later than 2am — possibly much sooner — but as the pathologist stated, the food was only PARTIALLY digested from her stomach, which shows she must have died approximately 2/3 hours after having eaten as her food was only partially digested.
So what this means is that Sheila died much earlier than 3am and that she couldn’t have been going berserk with a gun at 3:25am as she was dead.
Thoughts anyone?
Oh, I’ve posted a link to digestion just to make it clear.
Well if I was a Bamber supporter I’d try and dig up a statement from a friend or family member of Sheila’s who mentioned a night where they saw her fixing herself a midnight snack and then I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore and carry on holding her responsible for the killings.
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Well if I was a Bamber supporter I’d try and dig up a statement from a friend or family member of Sheila’s who mentioned a night where they saw her fixing herself a midnight snack and then I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore and carry on holding her responsible for the killings.
A good point, unfortunately. She was partial to the odd bendy bifter so doubtless there would be witnesses to when she suffered the munchies.
CC or someone might be able to shed light on her sleeping habits while on Haloperidol though. Possible she zonked out at 10pm and wouldn't have woken for hours unless there was a commotion in the house caused by you know who.
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According to Colin Caffell the Bambers normally ate at 6.30-7.00pm, and his sons would go to bed at around 7.30pm. [w/s 11/09/85]
CAL says Colin ate with the family on 6th and he left at 8.30pm to drive back to London. [CAL p5]
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According to Colin Caffell the Bambers normally ate at 6.30-7.00pm, and his sons would go to bed at around 7.30pm. [w/s 11/09/85]
CAL says Colin ate with the family on 6th and he left at 8.30pm to drive back to London. [CAL p5]
Hang on! If Colin had supper with the Bambers, LEAVING for London, at 8.30, doesn't that preclude their last meal having being eaten between 8.30 and 9.00?
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Well if I was a Bamber supporter I’d try and dig up a statement from a friend or family member of Sheila’s who mentioned a night where they saw her fixing herself a midnight snack and then I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore and carry on holding her responsible for the killings.
Prof Knight (the defence pathologist) wrote a tome on 'Time of Death' and there's no reliable method for establishing a narrow time frame ie JB's claim of a call at circa 3.30 am and the police finding SC at 7.30 am.
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Hang on! If Colin had supper with the Bambers, LEAVING for London, at 8.30, doesn't that preclude their last meal having being eaten between 8.30 and 9.00?
How?
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How?
Unless we're going to put June to the trouble of producing a three stage meal -one for the children, one for Colin, and one for the victims, the logistics of producing such a staging would have been a nightmare.
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According to Colin Caffell the Bambers normally ate at 6.30-7.00pm, and his sons would go to bed at around 7.30pm. [w/s 11/09/85]
CAL says Colin ate with the family on 6th and he left at 8.30pm to drive back to London. [CAL p5]
So why were this particular nights timings any different?
Maybe Aunt Agatha will know what they ate that night - presuming she asked him ?
Wasn’t there mention somewhere of Bamber having a sandwich?
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Here https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/unknown-album referring to the time he says he left WHF & arriving at Goldhanger Bamber says,
‘I don’t think I had anything to eat’ but he remembers having a ‘hot drink’
He’s suggesting he doesn’t think he had anything to eat when he got home
Sure he’s mentioned a sandwich somewhere and eating it in WHF kitchen?
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Unless we're going to put June to the trouble of producing a three stage meal -one for the children, one for Colin, and one for the victims, the logistics of producing such a staging would have been a nightmare.
According to Colin the children were still awake when he left at 8.30pm. Perhaps June served a salad; it was August after all. Otherwise I'm sure she was used to cooking meals which could be kept warm as farming doesn't always allow everyone to sit down together.
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Here https://soundcloud.com/phil-garlic/unknown-album referring to the time he says he left WHF & arriving at Goldhanger Bamber says,
‘I don’t think I had anything to eat’ but he remembers having a ‘hot drink’
He’s suggesting he doesn’t think he had anything to eat when he got home
Sure he’s mentioned a sandwich somewhere and eating it in WHF kitchen?
I think I recall him saying he ate a sandwich standing up.
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According to Colin the children were still awake when he left at 8.30pm. Perhaps June served a salad; it was August after all. Otherwise I'm sure she was used to cooking meals which could be kept warm as farming doesn't always allow everyone to sit down together.
If it was the main meal of the day, after harvesting from dawn, I'd have thought something more substantial than salad would have been necessary.
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I think I recall him saying he ate a sandwich standing up.
At a counter ?
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At a counter ?
Yes.
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Does anyone else think it odd that they must have waited for CC to leave before having the "fostering conversation"?
Seems a bit convenient that the only living witness and directly interested party wasn't there.
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Does anyone else think it odd that they must have waited for CC to leave before having the "fostering conversation"?
Seems a bit convenient that the only living witness and directly interested party wasn't there.
Posted this on another thread, in an interview Bamber gave in 1993, when asked,
Do you see the spark of this crime being the possibility of her children being fostered out ?
His reply was,
“It was something that was discussed. That was one of the many, many options that were discussed over how best to help her. What were the outside pressures causing her such distress ?”
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Yes.
8((()*/
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Does anyone else think it odd that they must have waited for CC to leave before having the "fostering conversation"?
Seems a bit convenient that the only living witness and directly interested party wasn't there.
In my opinion, if they did have such a conversation, they certainly wouldn't have had it in front of Colin.
Colin would have objected to June and Nevill putting forward proposals re what might be best for HIS children. IMO, they might have been able to manipulate Sheila, but they wouldn't have been able to manipulate Colin.
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Does anyone else think it odd that they must have waited for CC to leave before having the "fostering conversation"?
Seems a bit convenient that the only living witness and directly interested party wasn't there.
Changing the twins' living arrangements would have been vigorously opposed by Colin so it made sense to try to get Sheila's agreement before involving him.
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Does anyone else think it odd that they must have waited for CC to leave before having the "fostering conversation"?
Seems a bit convenient that the only living witness and directly interested party wasn't there.
CC dropped the twins and SC off on Sun 4th Aug. JB's claims of a conversation re fostering etc relate to Tues 6th Aug.
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CC dropped the twins and SC off on Sun 4th Aug. JB's claims of a conversation re fostering etc relate to Tues 6th Aug.
Yes of course, it was a stupid question. my bad.
Still strange that nothing would have been discussed with CC at all though.Nothing even tentatively sounded out. The twins would have been fostered over his dead body so seems unlikely to me that June would even have the gall to suggest it
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Yes of course, it was a stupid question. my bad.
Still strange that nothing would have been discussed with CC at all though.Nothing even tentatively sounded out. The twins would have been fostered over his dead body so seems unlikely to me that June would even have the gall to suggest it
There is only Bamber's word that such a conversation took place. As you say, she had previously mentioned her concerns about this to Colin's mum - there is no way she would have changed her mind so quickly. It also wasn't up to her or Nevill or even Sheila. More likely they were talking about how they could help Sheila more and Bamber was counting the cost of such intervention.
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There is only Bamber's word that such a conversation took place. As you say, she had previously mentioned her concerns about this to Colin's mum - there is no way she would have changed her mind so quickly. It also wasn't up to her or Nevill or even Sheila. More likely they were talking about how they could help Sheila more and Bamber was counting the cost of such intervention.
I doubt Sheila would have sat there, saying nothing, and allowing a conversation to continue about the removal of her children from her. We have Jeremy's word for it that she remained quiet.
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I doubt Sheila would have sat there, saying nothing, and allowing a conversation to continue about the removal of her children from her. We have Jeremy's word for it that she remained quiet.
Neither do I. He kept what was supposedly said in this conversation to a bare minimum because he knew he would have to recall it - make it too complicated. and he's be in danger of getting it wrong.
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Another interesting point Ispy.
From the Robin Garbutt case I have learned that gastric analysis is not the most reliable for giving a precise time of death, requiring further information as to what and how much was eaten at what time but from the information you have posted this would certainly seem to end all the CT silly claims to Sheila being alive until gone 7, not that anyone with a brain takes them seriously.
Great work 8((()*/
Thank you, CS
Yes, I’d say Sheila had a substantial meal for the food to only having been partially digested when she was shot.
Caroline mentioned that she thought Jeremy May have killed them all much earlier than 3am, and going by this I’d say she’s right
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Well if I was a Bamber supporter I’d try and dig up a statement from a friend or family member of Sheila’s who mentioned a night where they saw her fixing herself a midnight snack and then I wouldn’t have to worry about it anymore and carry on holding her responsible for the killings.
They’ll no doubt try that, VS, but that wouldn’t wash.
Firstly, Sheila had eaten a family dinner at 9pm and was satiated. She then went to bed at 10pm, and was very quiet and not feeling that good, so the idea that she may have woken at midnight to fix a snack doesn’t work. She wouldn’t have been hungry (plus she was asleep by then), she was also a heavy smoker and they usually have a cigarette rather than eat. There were no signs of food in her bedroom or the kitchen, no unwashed plates/knives...
And on top of that, although Vanezis didn’t say what the food was, they definitely examine it to see what was eaten. They have to. They don’t just examine the contents they also check for poison, drugs etc.
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A good point, unfortunately. She was partial to the odd bendy bifter so doubtless there would be witnesses to when she suffered the munchies.
CC or someone might be able to shed light on her sleeping habits while on Haloperidol though. Possible she zonked out at 10pm and wouldn't have woken for hours unless there was a commotion in the house caused by you know who.
Sheila hadn’t smoked marijuana for over five days, so she wouldn’t have had the munchies.
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Hang on! If Colin had supper with the Bambers, LEAVING for London, at 8.30, doesn't that preclude their last meal having being eaten between 8.30 and 9.00?
According to Jeremy the family were eating dinner at between 8:30 & 9pm
He said he watched them while he made a ham sandwich for himself.
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According to Colin Caffell the Bambers normally ate at 6.30-7.00pm, and his sons would go to bed at around 7.30pm. [w/s 11/09/85]
CAL says Colin ate with the family on 6th and he left at 8.30pm to drive back to London. [CAL p5]
Managed to get some text sent over — just for you, Gunit
According to Jeremy the family were eating dinner between 8:30 & 9Pm
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Hang on! If Colin had supper with the Bambers, LEAVING for London, at 8.30, doesn't that preclude their last meal having being eaten between 8.30 and 9.00?
Maybe we’ve caught Jeremy out in yet ANOTHER lie 😳
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Neither do I. He kept what was supposedly said in this conversation to a bare minimum because he knew he would have to recall it - make it too complicated. and he's be in danger of getting it wrong.
Indeed. It seems to be a pattern in his storytelling. When he is asked who was in the conversation he includes himself and then almost immediately backtracks and says he wasn't really listening when pressed for details.
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Unless we're going to put June to the trouble of producing a three stage meal -one for the children, one for Colin, and one for the victims, the logistics of producing such a staging would have been a nightmare.
It’s possible the twins ate earlier, especially as Nevill was so busy
But it doesn’t tally with Colin’s statement that he stayed for dinner and they all ate together
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According to Colin Caffell the Bambers normally ate at 6.30-7.00pm, and his sons would go to bed at around 7.30pm. [w/s 11/09/85]
CAL says Colin ate with the family on 6th and he left at 8.30pm to drive back to London. [CAL p5]
NORMALLY ate at 7pm
That doesn’t mean they ALWAYS did
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Maybe we’ve caught Jeremy out in yet ANOTHER lie 😳
Well, given that he appears to have adjusted the timing of just about everything else pertaining to the murders, why NOT the time of the 'last supper'?
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According to Colin the children were still awake when he left at 8.30pm. Perhaps June served a salad; it was August after all. Otherwise I'm sure she was used to cooking meals which could be kept warm as farming doesn't always allow everyone to sit down together.
Well, the twins would have been awake at 8:30 — it was a family get-together.
I doubt June would have served up just a salad! Nevill was a big man and needed something far more substantial than a few lettuce leaves....
June would have made a hearty meal, especially as the family were coming down. She may have cooked a chicken, new potatoes, vegetables, a side salad...plus pudding. You can guarantee she’d have made one of her special cakes a Jeremy was so fond of! It was a special occasion in a way.
She wouldn’t serve them just a salad.
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Well, the twins would have been awake at 8:30 — it was a family get-together.
I doubt June would have served up just a salad! Nevill was a big man and needed something far more substantial than a few lettuce leaves....
June would have made a hearty meal, especially as the family were coming down. She may have cooked a chicken, new potatoes, vegetables, a side salad...plus pudding. You can guarantee she’d have made one of her special cakes a Jeremy was so fond of! It was a special occasion in a way.
She wouldn’t serve them just a salad.
Perhsaps Jeremy only had a sandwich because he begrudged the food June was serving to the guests?
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Does anyone else think it odd that they must have waited for CC to leave before having the "fostering conversation"?
Seems a bit convenient that the only living witness and directly interested party wasn't there.
Very!!
In fact, you’d have thought they’d have taken that opportunity to sit down with Colin over a small G&T and discuss Sheila’s health and what might be the best way forward for the children.
I would have thought that as Nevill and a June were so generous, they’d have offered to pay for a live-in nanny to help him
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In my opinion, if they did have such a conversation, they certainly wouldn't have had it in front of Colin.
Colin would have objected to June and Nevill putting forward proposals re what might be best for HIS children. IMO, they might have been able to manipulate Sheila, but they wouldn't have been able to manipulate Colin.
But they’d have needed Colin’s consent!
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Well, the twins would have been awake at 8:30 — it was a family get-together.
I doubt June would have served up just a salad! Nevill was a big man and needed something far more substantial than a few lettuce leaves....
June would have made a hearty meal, especially as the family were coming down. She may have cooked a chicken, new potatoes, vegetables, a side salad...plus pudding. You can guarantee she’d have made one of her special cakes a Jeremy was so fond of! It was a special occasion in a way.
She wouldn’t serve them just a salad.
Who are you, Fanny Craddock?
Has there been a post in the history of forums which contained more guess work?
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Sheila hadn’t smoked marijuana for over five days, so she wouldn’t have had the munchies.
No, but she might have in the past and there could be witnesses to her raiding the fridge was the point any defence would be looking for. She simply might have eaten something later.
On the other hand, although she was no longer modelling,she was obviously still taking care of her appearance so maybe snacking at midnight just wouldn't have been something she would do. I would imagine she didn't eat large portions or snack.
I think it's a shame that the stomach contents were not more carefully looked at as it could have given a timeframe for TOD to include the murders being committed much earlier than 3am, not that it was impossible on the evidence anyway but it would be another hurdle for supporters to overcome and perhaps put an end to their ridiculous #SheilaAlive fantasies.
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Neither do I. He kept what was supposedly said in this conversation to a bare minimum because he knew he would have to recall it - make it too complicated. and he's be in danger of getting it wrong.
Yes, and I read that several people said Jeremy always poked his nose into everything, so he’d have chimed in for sure.
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But they’d have needed Colin’s consent!
In theory they needed Sheila's consent to the treatment they agreed with Dr Ferguson, but she was ignored.
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Yes, and I read that several people said Jeremy always poked his nose into everything, so he’d have chimed in for sure.
I can't imagine him keeping quiet.
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Who are you, Fanny Craddock?
Has there been a post in the history of forums which contained more guess work?
If the first chef that springs to mind is Fanny Craddock, you must be about 100! She died last century and was decades before my time.
And if you think chicken salad with potatoes and a pudding is extravagant, God knows what you think an ordinary meal is @)(++(*
Incidentally, this has nothing to do with guess work — it’s FACTS.
Sheila had partly digested food in her stomach, and as you haven’t been able to grasp the significance, nor understand human biology after eating, the food gradually leaves the stomach and by 2.5 hours it’s half empty, and by five hours it’s totally empty.
By using that FACT, that proves Sheila could NOT have been alive at 3am.
Suck it up, buttercup
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No, but she might have in the past and there could be witnesses to her raiding the fridge was the point any defence would be looking for. She simply might have eaten something later.
On the other hand, although she was no longer modelling,she was obviously still taking care of her appearance so maybe snacking at midnight just wouldn't have been something she would do. I would imagine she didn't eat large portions or snack.
I think it's a shame that the stomach contents were not more carefully looked at as it could have given a timeframe for TOD to include the murders being committed much earlier than 3am, not that it was impossible on the evidence anyway but it would be another hurdle for supporters to overcome and perhaps put an end to their ridiculous #SheilaAlive fantasies.
I’m sure the contents of what was in Sheila’s stomach are archived: they must be.
I know for a fact and personal experience that any food found in the stomach of anyone murdered or killed in accident, or a suicide victim, is analysed to find out what they ate. It’s easy to do too. They’d know if it was meat, the type, fish, vegetables, bread, everything.
I can’t see Sheila, who was worn out and tired, going to bed on a full stomach, then waking just two hours later to raid the fridge, then go back to sleep. She wouldn’t have been hungry anyway...
Whatever, the contents of her stomach must be documented. When a pathologist fills out a PM report they give the basic facts which are necessary and relevant, they don’t put every single detail. Vanezis wouldn’t have written “Sheila had partly digested prawns, chicken, tomatoes, potatoes, cucumber, chocolate etc...” They’d only list the ingredients if it was a poisoning.
I guarantee that Sheila last ate no later than 9pm, which means that as her her stomach had only partially digested the food, she must have been killed between midnight and 1am. She must have been, and that can’t be denied.
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If the first chef that springs to mind is Fanny Craddock, you must be about 100! She died last century and was decades before my time.
And if you think chicken salad with potatoes and a pudding is extravagant, God knows what you think an ordinary meal is @)(++(*
Incidentally, this has nothing to do with guess work — it’s FACTS.
Sheila had partly digested food in her stomach, and as you haven’t been able to grasp the significance, nor unstandardised human biology, after eating, the food gradually leaves the stomach and by 2.5 hours it’s half empty, and by five hours it’s totally empty.
By using that FACT, that proves Sheila could NOT have been alive at 3am.
Suck it up, buttercup
Now go and tuck into your meals on wheels...
The partially digested food - common knowledge.
The rest was pure, unadulterated guesswork - 'ooh, Nevill was a big man, so he wouldn't eat leaves'. Jesus, Hyacinth, you've even got June baking cakes with absolutely no foundation whatsoever.
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The partially digested food - common knowledge.
The rest was pure, unadulterated guesswork - 'ooh, Nevill was a big man, so he wouldn't eat leaves'. Jesus, Hyacinth, you've even got June baking cakes with absolutely no foundation whatsoever.
Everyone knows food DIGESTS, Genereal.
But I bet YOU didn’t know exactly how long it takes to leave the stomach, and what the process is.
It isn’t GUESS work at all; it’s FACTS based on science — which no-one can dispute.
As for June cooking a family meal including for her husband who was 6”4”, well-built, and had a hard manual job working on the farm, he’d have needed a substantial meal. If you think that’s just a guess, then you should spend more time learning about nutrition. You need good nutrition for good brain function, too, you know...and I’m sure you’d like yours all shipshape.😌
June would have made sure her family had a good hearty meal each evening, and as they GREW vegetables you can guarantee their plates would have been filled with a wide variety of seasonal vegetables, including organic chickens, roast beef, fresh fish possibly from the nearby harbour...the pathologist said all the victims were well-nourished.
And June would have made a fuss over the the grandchildren so yes, she would have made cakes for them, AND puddings too. She was a farmer’s wife for goodness sake, and you can see by the array of equipment she had that she enjoyed cooking. Her apron was hanging up by the Aga, so she wasn’t one to stick a pre-packed ready meal in the microwave.
Do you mind me asking how old you are?
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According to Jeremy the family were eating dinner at between 8:30 & 9pm
He said he watched them while he made a ham sandwich for himself.
That’s it
It says here he stood at the sink eating a sandwich not the counter
And it’s claimed Bamber said SC ‘appeared vacant’
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Everyone knows food DIGESTS, Genereal.
But I bet YOU didn’t know exactly how long it takes to leave the stomach, and what the process is.
It isn’t GUESS work at all; it’s FACTS based on science — which no-one can dispute.
As for June cooking a family meal including for her husband who was 6”4”, well-built, and had a hard manual job working on the farm, he’d have needed a substantial meal. If you think that’s just a guess, then you should spend more time learning about nutrition. You need good nutrition for good brain function, too, you know...and I’m sure you’d like yours all shipshape.😌
June would have made sure her family had a good hearty meal each evening, and as they GREW vegetable you can guarantee their plates would have been filled with a wide variety of seasonal vegetables, including organic chickens, roast beef, fresh fish possibly from the nearby harbour...the pathologist said all victims were well-nourished.
And June would have made a fuss over the the grandchildren so yes, she would have made cakes for them, AND puddings too. She was a farmer’s wife for goodness sake, and you can see by the array of equipment she had that she enjoyed cooking. Her apron was hanging up by the Aga, so she wasn’t one to stick a ore-packed ready meal in the microwave.
Do you mind me asking how old you are?
No.
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That’s it
It says here he stood at the sink eating a sandwich not the counter
I guess one would have been as alongside to the other as makes no difference 8)--))
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Managed to get some text sent over — just for you, Gunit
According to Jeremy the family were eating dinner between 8:30 & 9Pm
‘He interjected to suggest that Sheila should take a holiday to give her some interest’
Ha
If Bamber thought she was well enough for a holiday she obviously wasn’t unwell
What does Jackie Preece make of all this?
Would be interested to hear her thoughts
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I’ve heard of Jackie Priece, Nicholas
Who is she?
It seems she has a reputation ^*&&
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I doubt Sheila would have sat there, saying nothing, and allowing a conversation to continue about the removal of her children from her. We have Jeremy's word for it that she remained quiet.
Bamber apparently interjected and suggested SC take a holiday April
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Bamber apparently interjected and suggested SC take a holiday April
In the middle of an alleged discussion on the future care of her children? Mmm?
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If the first chef that springs to mind is Fanny Craddock, you must be about 100! She died last century and was decades before my time.
And if you think chicken salad with potatoes and a pudding is extravagant, God knows what you think an ordinary meal is @)(++(*
Incidentally, this has nothing to do with guess work — it’s FACTS.
Sheila had partly digested food in her stomach, and as you haven’t been able to grasp the significance, nor understand human biology after eating, the food gradually leaves the stomach and by 2.5 hours it’s half empty, and by five hours it’s totally empty.
By using that FACT, that proves Sheila could NOT have been alive at 3am.
Suck it up, buttercup
Have read 6 hours
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Yes, and I read that several people said Jeremy always poked his nose into everything, so he’d have chimed in for sure.
Bamber’s behaviour is self evident
Why would he write to Caroline because she’d expressed an opinion on an Internet forum believimg him to be guilty for example?
Why would he make claim, via his CT, he only sent CAL 5 letters ?
Bamber’s like the ‘all seeing eye’
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I guess one would have been as alongside to the other as makes no difference 8)--))
Stood at the sink eating a sandwich - no idea what type of sandwich
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‘He interjected to suggest that Sheila should take a holiday to give her some interest’
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Have read 6 hours
Nope
It takes five hours for the stomach to totally empty
Sheila’s stomach had only partially digested the food, so that would make her time of death approximately between midnight and 1am.
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Bamber’s behaviour is self evident
Why would he write to Caroline because she’d expressed an opinion on an Internet forum believimg him to be guilty for example?
Why would he make claim, via his CT, he only sent CAL 5 letters ?
Bamber’s like the ‘all seeing eye’
As the psychiatrist said who diagnosed him being a psychopath when he was on remand “Jeremy Bamber is an irreverent liar”
But there’s something thick about him...surely he didn’t think CAL had thrown his hundreds of letters away? *%87
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Stood at the sink eating a sandwich - no idea what type of sandwich
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Ham sandwich, apparently...so he said. But that could have been a lie too
Why wouldn’t June have cooked enough dinner for him too?
I don’t believe he had a sandwich...and it isn’t something you’d eat at dinner time when you’ve been working all day. You’d want a proper meal.
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As the psychiatrist said who diagnosed him being a psychopath when he was on remand “Jeremy Bamber is an irreverent liar”
But there’s something thick about him...surely he didn’t think CAL had thrown his hundreds of letters away? *%87
Surely Mark Newby checks all his facts before tipping off the media - presuming it’s him who does?
Especially after the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2013
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As the psychiatrist said who diagnosed him being a psychopath when he was on remand “Jeremy Bamber is an irreverent liar”
But there’s something thick about him...surely he didn’t think CAL had thrown his hundreds of letters away? *%87
When his mask slips you mean - when he loses control
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As the psychiatrist said who diagnosed him being a psychopath when he was on remand “Jeremy Bamber is an irreverent liar”
But there’s something thick about him...surely he didn’t think CAL had thrown his hundreds of letters away? *%87
He’s not in sync with the CT or vice versa
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I’ve heard of Jackie Priece, Nicholas
Who is she?
It seems she has a reputation ^*&&
Aunt Agatha mentioned her here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8404.msg584077#msg584077
and alluded to her being,
“personal, insulting and very rude”
and she’s been referred to as an ‘obsessive Bamberette’
I had to go to the police and reported it. Arrests where not made at the time. I decided to remove myself completely and closed any social media links I had. I was not prepared to battle this out amongst obsessive Bamberettes.
I'd done my bit now it was time for others to take the reins and be there for him. I bowed out with dignity.
Let's leave it there!
Aunt Agatha may still be in contact with her ?
She used to write to Bamber and has publicised some of their correspondence
Reproduced here
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=792.0
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=785.0
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Nope
It takes five hours for the stomach to totally empty
Sheila’s stomach had only partially digested the food, so that would make her time of death approximately between midnight and 1am.
8((()*/
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Nope
It takes five hours for the stomach to totally empty
Sheila’s stomach had only partially digested the food, so that would make her time of death approximately between midnight and 1am.
It's not an exact science but I have always believed they all died a lot earlier than 3am
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It's not an exact science but I have always believed they all died a lot earlier than 3am
Am I right in saying that someone saw NB moving the last load with the tractor at about 10.30pm?
In the interests of wild speculation, is it impossible for Bamber to have sneaked back in while Nevill was out ( or he never left ) - gone upstairs, shot them all and then waited for NB to come back,, ambushing him upstairs and then bolting the door shut, climbing out the window and driving home? Did any of his neighbours see his car outside Goldhanger before say 11pm?
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Am I right in saying that someone saw NB moving the last load with the tractor at about 10.30pm?
In the interests of wild speculation, is it impossible for Bamber to have sneaked back in while Nevill was out ( or he never left ) - gone upstairs, shot them all and then waited for NB to come back,, ambushing him upstairs and then bolting the door shut, climbing out the window and driving home? Did any of his neighbours see his car outside Goldhanger before say 11pm?
Basically and more or less in a nutshell - that's what I think. However, he did go home because he called Julie but he was aware of how long they had been talking (17 mins) - like he was timing. something. It's easy for him to have driven back to WHF and. no one see his car.
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Basically and more or less in a nutshell - that's what I think. However, he did go home because he called Julie but he was aware of how long they had been talking (17 mins) - like he was timing. something. It's easy for him to have driven back to WHF and. no one see his car.
It was my thought that no one would have noticed him driving about at 10-11pm as it wouldn't be unusual.
I like to believe that his final act to get himself in the headlines will be to confess and solve all the mysteries.
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It was my thought that no one would have noticed him driving about at 10-11pm as it wouldn't be unusual.
I like to believe that his final act to get himself in the headlines will be to confess and solve all the mysteries.
I hope so but in doing so, it will leave him with nothing.
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It was my thought that no one would have noticed him driving about at 10-11pm as it wouldn't be unusual.
I like to believe that his final act to get himself in the headlines will be to confess and solve all the mysteries.
If he’s not a controlling, remorseless psychopath then maybe he will, but I’m not holding my breath.
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I meant he'll hopefully confess on his deathbed. He might even enjoy the thought of all his supporters knowing they had been manipulated all these years. I can imagine the headline:
thanks for all the stamps, suckers
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Am I right in saying that someone saw NB moving the last load with the tractor at about 10.30pm?
In the interests of wild speculation, is it impossible for Bamber to have sneaked back in while Nevill was out ( or he never left ) - gone upstairs, shot them all and then waited for NB to come back,, ambushing him upstairs and then bolting the door shut, climbing out the window and driving home? Did any of his neighbours see his car outside Goldhanger before say 11pm?
I think that would be a good explanation which would explain how he got the drop on Nevill but it couldn't have worked like that because Nevill was in his pyjamas and must have already been in or getting into bed.
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I think that would be a good explanation which would explain how he got the drop on Nevill but it couldn't have worked like that because Nevill was in his pyjamas and must have already been in or getting into bed.
The shower was downstairs, I can't see Nevill using it and putting his clothes back on. Bamber may have returned and hid in the house or made an excuse for his return and while Nevill i occupied in the shower he completes part of his plan and lays in wait for Nevill. Nevill's trousers are part of the articles laid on the floor soaking up his blood.
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The shower was downstairs, I can't see Nevill using it and putting his clothes back on. Bamber may have returned and hid in the house or made an excuse for his return and while Nevill i occupied in the shower he completes part of his plan and lays in wait for Nevill. Nevill's trousers are part of the articles laid on the floor soaking up his blood.
Bamber would know NBs routine. I'm fairly sure I've read that NB liked to have a shower and a whisky before going up to bed.
So.. JB refuses to go out on the tractor again, causing the bad atmosphere the secretary sensed, he leaves but knowing roughly how long NB would be out on the tractor, he times his return..
Or.. did JB definitely call JM from Goldhanger? JB refuses to go out on the tractor, says he wants something to eat. Nevill storms out, JB commits the murders and calmly calls JM from WHF pretending to be at GH, keeping an eye on the time so he can hide upstairs and wait for NB.
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Bamber would know NBs routine. I'm fairly sure I've read that NB liked to have a shower and a whisky before going up to bed.
So.. JB refuses to go out on the tractor again, causing the bad atmosphere the secretary sensed, he leaves but knowing roughly how long NB would be out on the tractor, he times his return..
Or.. did JB definitely call JM from Goldhanger? JB refuses to go out on the tractor, says he wants something to eat. Nevill storms out, JB commits the murders and calmly calls JM from WHF pretending to be at GH, keeping an eye on the time so he can hide upstairs and wait for NB.
I think he did call from GH and he was seen leaving the farm by The Foakes's. He would know how much time he had to get home call Julie and get back. That's what I think happened - it gets Nevill out of the way as he wwould need all his concentration to deal with him.
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Surely Mark Newby checks all his facts before tipping off the media - presuming it’s him who does?
Especially after the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2013
He’s either becoming increasingly confused after being bombarded by the CT with all their different conflicting scenarios, including JB’s contradictories in his 15 page letters he probably receives every day, or he’s already lost interest and can’t be bothered to read through the 14 million documents Jeremy wants him to look study.
That’ll take him up to about 2035? @)(++(*
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It's not an exact science but I have always believed they all died a lot earlier than 3am
Yes, I remember you saying that, Caroline
What made you think that?
I definitely think he killed them earlier too — especially going by Sheila’s stomach contents.
I also think he took that rifle with him before returning. He had ample opportunity throughout the day to put it in the boot of his car with the cartridges. He probably thought he’d only need one cartridge, and that’s why it went awry when he had to reload and the fight took place in the kitchen. He probably hid it under some bushes nearby so he could collect it when he returned on June’s bicycle.
Interestingly, at around 10pm a neighbour who lived nearby — and whose house Jeremy had to drive past to get home — said he heard one gunshot about 500 yards away coming from a field. It would have been the same time Jeremy was in the area, driving home. I wonder if he stopped and did one quick practice shot?
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The shower was downstairs, I can't see Nevill using it and putting his clothes back on. Bamber may have returned and hid in the house or made an excuse for his return and while Nevill i occupied in the shower he completes part of his plan and lays in wait for Nevill. Nevill's trousers are part of the articles laid on the floor soaking up his blood.
Were Nevill’s trousers in the kitchen?
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Bamber would know NBs routine. I'm fairly sure I've read that NB liked to have a shower and a whisky before going up to bed.
So.. JB refuses to go out on the tractor again, causing the bad atmosphere the secretary sensed, he leaves but knowing roughly how long NB would be out on the tractor, he times his return..
Or.. did JB definitely call JM from Goldhanger? JB refuses to go out on the tractor, says he wants something to eat. Nevill storms out, JB commits the murders and calmly calls JM from WHF pretending to be at GH, keeping an eye on the time so he can hide upstairs and wait for NB.
I don’t think it happened like that, CS
There were people around at 10pm — they’d have heard something going on.
Plus, June’s sister Pamela rang her at 10:05pm, briefly spoke to Sheila, then June came on the phone and said Sheila had then gone up to bed. June probably went soon after that.
Meanwhile, Len was still working up until 10:30pm when he saw Nevill on the tractor, so Jeremy couldn’t have risked being seen at that time. Plus, a neighbour, Dorothy heard Jeremy “roaring off” like he always did in his car, at about 9:30pm
Then there’s the strange gunshot that was heard some time between 9:30 & 10.05pm — around the same time Jeremy would have driven past the house of the man who heard that single gunshot about 500 yards away. I suspect that was Jeremy having one quick practice shot as he hid the rifle to collect on his return.
He then phoned Julie about 10:30pm?
Nevill used to go to bed early as a rule, but because he had to collect the rapeseed as Jeremy had cleared off he probably showered about 10:45pm, maybe had his nightcap of G&T and a cigarette, then went up to bed at about 11:15.
Apparently, he went out like a light once his head hit the pillow, and he had slept in the bed as the pillow has his head imprint and his socks were on the floor.
Jeremy would have allowed time for all this, then after ending his call to Julie and setting the video to record programmes he had no interest in (and which he later tripped up about to the police), I bet he put his wetsuit on, put a jumper and jeans on top, cycled off at about 11:30, picked up the hidden rifle & cartridges, then continued the 500 yards or so through fields or unlit roads and then broke in through the window.
He probably killed them all around about midnight or 1am. That would have given him time to cycle back in just his jeans and jumper, then he probably paced around after having another shower to be on the safe side, and had to steel himself to make the phone call to the police. As he was nervous that’s possibly why he phoned Julie first. He needed a bit of normality, if that makes sense. He must have been hyper as hell.
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I don’t think it happened like that, CS
There were people around at 10pm — they’d have heard something going on.
Plus, June’s sister Pamela rang her at 10:05pm, briefly spoke to Sheila, then June came on the phone and said Sheila had then gone up to bed. June probably went soon after that.
Meanwhile, Len was still working up until 10:30pm when he saw Nevill on the tractor, so Jeremy couldn’t have risked being seen at that time. Plus, a neighbour, Dorothy heard Jeremy “roaring off” like he always did in his car, at about 9:30pm
Then there’s the strange gunshot that was heard some time between 9:30 & 10.05pm — around the same time Jeremy would have driven past the house of the man who heard that single gunshot about 500 yards away. I suspect that was Jeremy having one quick practice shot as he hid the rifle to collect on his return.
He then phoned Julie about 10:30pm?
Nevill used to go to bed early as a rule, but because he had to collect the rapeseed as Jeremy had cleared off he probably showered about 10:45pm, maybe had his nightcap of G&T and a cigarette, then went up to bed at about 11:15.
Apparently, he went out like a light once his head hit the pillow, and he had slept in the bed as the pillow has his head imprint and his socks were on the floor.
Jeremy would have allowed time for all this, then after ending his call to Julie and setting the video to record programmes he had no interest in (and which he later tripped up about to the police), I bet he put his wetsuit on, put a jumper and jeans on top, cycled off at about 11:30, picked up the hidden rifle & cartridges, then continued the 500 years or so through fields or unlit roads and then broke in through the window.
He probably killed them all around about midnight or 1am. That would have given him time to cycle back in just his jeans and jumper, then he probably paced around after having another shower to be on the safe side, and had to steel himself to make the phone call to the police. As he was nervous that’s possibly why he phoned Julie first. He needed a bit of normality, if that makes sense. He must have been hyper as hell.
I was just flying a kite Ispy, you have put a lot more thought into it than I have. I was thinking he could have roared off to make sure the neighbours heard him leave and then doubled back and parked somewhere nearby but I had forgotten about the socks with Junes blood on them!
So here's a thought: When JB was younger and still living at WHF, he would sneak out and back in again through the windows and always got away with it. He knew when they would all definitely be asleep. He knew every squeaky floorboard to avoid and he knew they were all heavy sleepers anyway.The dogs were probably so used to him sneaking about in the night they never barked. None of the neighbours ever saw him and grassed him up either so he had the confidence to break in and start shooting.
We will never know exactly, unless he confesses.
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I was just flying a kite Ispy, you have put a lot more thought into it than I have. I was thinking he could have roared off to make sure the neighbours heard him leave and then doubled back and parked somewhere nearby but I had forgotten about the socks with Junes blood on them!
So here's a thought: When JB was younger and still living at WHF, he would sneak out and back in again through the windows and always got away with it. He knew when they would all definitely be asleep. He knew every squeaky floorboard to avoid and he knew they were all heavy sleepers anyway.The dogs were probably so used to him sneaking about in the night they never barked. None of the neighbours ever saw him and grassed him up either so he had the confidence to break in and start shooting.
We will never know exactly, unless he confesses.
Allegedly, June was a light sleeper. Sorreeeee!!!!
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Allegedly, June was a light sleeper. Sorreeeee!!!!
So maybe she would hear him in the night and just think "blood Jeremy again" but ignore it.
This time, she wakes up, rouses Nevill but it's too late, JB comes in and starts shooting.
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If JB committed the murders some hours before the claimed tel call from NB wouldn't it have been obvious the victims had been dead for longer to those at soc and the two pathologists who had access to soc images?
Conversely JB could not have know the police would delay entry so how would he explain NB alive at circa 3.30 am if he had been dead for some 4 hours?
CC said when he stayed at WHF NB went to bed before June.
June's head was on the pillow when she was first shot
If JB didn't call JM from GH where did he call her from?
NV was found in his pj's and there's an indentation in his pillow.
Where do NB's night time rituals come from in terms of a cig and nightcap in the lounge before bed?
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If JB committed the murders some hours before the claimed tel call from NB wouldn't it have been obvious the victims had been dead for longer to those at soc and the two pathologists who had access to soc images?
Wasn't it the prosecution case that they could well have been killed earlier. TOD is not an exact science?
Conversely JB could not have know the police would delay entry so how would he explain NB alive at circa 3.30 am if he had been dead for some 4 hours?
A fair point. Seems likely he killed them no earlier than 1-2am.
CC said when he stayed at WHF NB went to bed before June.
Maybe not if he had to go out on the tractor late at night
June's head was on the pillow when she was first shot
True, although some say she was sitting up reading her bible. I've not looked into it.
If JB didn't call JM from GH where did he call her from?
No phone records so it's possible he called from WHF but I think my half baked theory has been debunked!
NV was found in his pj's and there's an indentation in his pillow.
Yes alright! - He went to bed - although it's possible the pillows hadn't been fluffed from the night before and he got into his PJs downstairs
Where do NB's night time rituals come from in terms of a cig and nightcap in the lounge before bed?
A good question.
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So maybe she would hear him in the night and just think "blood Jeremy again" but ignore it.
This time, she wakes up, rouses Nevill but it's too late, JB comes in and starts shooting.
If Nevill was in the bedroom why did he stand by and let his wife be shot in her bed?
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If Nevill was in the bedroom why did he stand by and let his wife be shot in her bed?
Because it seems likely they were both surprised in their bed. NB sprang out and made toward the killer who retreated on to the landing, hitting Nevill who turns and heads downstairs.
This scenario works for me no matter who the killer was but there is just one problem:
There is no time for NB to call anyone.
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If JB committed the murders some hours before the claimed tel call from NB wouldn't it have been obvious the victims had been dead for longer to those at soc and the two pathologists who had access to soc images? How? - The pathologist couldn't give a time of death and gave abroad time span.
Conversely JB could not have know the police would delay entry so how would he explain NB alive at circa 3.30 am if he had been dead for some 4 hours? Unarmed police would walk into a situation where guns are an issue? Do you think people couldn't do their homework back in 1985? It wasn't the dark ages Holly.
CC said when he stayed at WHF NB went to bed before June. He couldn't go to bed before June because he had a load of rape seed to sort out and the dogs to walk, he had to take a shower and probably give himself 5.
June's head was on the pillow when she was first shot - Nobody mentioned June, just you.
If JB didn't call JM from GH where did he call her from? I said he did call her from GH
NV was found in his pj's and there's an indentation in his pillow. I doubt the Bambers were pillow fluffers
Where do NB's night time rituals come from in terms of a cig and nightcap in the lounge before bed? It's documented
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Because it seems likely they were both surprised in their bed. NB sprang out and made toward the killer who retreated on to the landing, hitting Nevill who turns and heads downstairs.
This scenario works for me no matter who the killer was but there is just one problem:
There is no time for NB to call anyone.
If you were the shooter, who would you disarm first, June or Nevill? Bamber would never have let Nevill get passed him.
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We’re Nevill’s trousers in the kitchen?
On the floor, they are part of the fabric object next to him. They are under his. knee so weren't placed there later by police as some have suggested.
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Because it seems likely they were both surprised in their bed. NB sprang out and made toward the killer who retreated on to the landing, hitting Nevill who turns and heads downstairs.
This scenario works for me no matter who the killer was but there is just one problem:
There is no time for NB to call anyone.
No cartridges were found on the landing.
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Conversely JB could not have know the police would delay entry so how would he explain NB alive at circa 3.30 am if he had been dead for some 4 hours? Unarmed police would walk into a situation where guns are an issue? Do you think people couldn't do their homework back in 1985? It wasn't the dark ages Holly./quote]
Funnily enough, there is an oddball on twitter that repeatedly posts a link to an episode of Brookside, shown just prior to the murders, that depicts a siege situation. There was also the famous embassy siege in the 80's - Bamber had painted the picture of a possible hostage situation, it would be unlikely the police would go bursting in.
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No cartridges were found on the landing.
You mean cartridge casings/cases.. and one was found on the mid-landing up against the skirting board.
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No cartridges were found on the landing.
So NB gets shot as he makes his way out of bed and toward the door - but makes no attempt to tackle the killer who retreats from the advancing NB, still pointing the gun so NB turns downstairs and is shot in the back.
You just said
If Nevill was in the bedroom why did he stand by and let his wife be shot in her bed?
He didn't and we agree he wouldn't. He was taken by surprise, but it would be exactly what he did in any scenario where Sheila is the killer and he decides to nip off and call Jeremy.
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You mean cartridge casings/cases.. and one was found on the mid-landing up against the skirting board.
Which seems to be a missing cartridge case from the four shots in the kitchen, because each one of those shots were fatal shots.
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Because it seems likely they were both surprised in their bed. NB sprang out and made toward the killer who retreated on to the landing, hitting Nevill who turns and heads downstairs.
This scenario works for me no matter who the killer was but there is just one problem:
There is no time for NB to call anyone.
We don't agree on much but I am with you all the way on this. I think he would have grabbed the rifle - not run away.
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Which seems to be a missing cartridge case from the four shots in the kitchen, because each one of those shots were fatal shots.
If I remember rightly, they attributed the case on the stairs to one of those shots, theorising that it might have stuck in the ridges in one of the raid teams boots. Not sure I buy that though.
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Which seems to be a missing cartridge case from the four shots in the kitchen, because each one of those shots were fatal shots.
Carried up on the sole of a TFU boot, so it has been said many times, but could just have easily resulted from one of the final head shots to June as she lay in the doorway. The fourth casing, thought to have been on the kitchen floor might have been swept away in the later clean-up.
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If I remember rightly, they attributed the case on the stairs to one of those shots, theorising that it might have stuck in the ridges in one of the raid teams boots. Not sure I buy that though.
That cartridge case had to go somewhere and if that wasn't from a kitchen shot what was it from? All the other shots were accounted for by cartridge cases.
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Carried up on the sole of a TFU boot, so it has been said many times, but could just have easily resulted from one of the final head shots to June as she lay in the doorway. The fourth casing, thought to have been on the kitchen floor might have been swept away in the later clean-up.
Thirteen cartridge cases were found in the main bedroom. Two bullets were fired at Sheila and seven at June. The remaining four were fired at Nevill. What, therefore could the landing case be associated with?
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Thirteen cartridge cases were found in the main bedroom. Two bullets were fired at Sheila and seven at June. The remaining four were fired at Nevill. What, therefore could the landing case be associated with?
DRH 7 is annotated twice (perhaps the same casing in two parts) so a total of 11 casings within the bedroom and two outside - DRH 13 and DRH 14 on the metal carpet separator and mid-landing respectively, both according to the diagram resulted from the second episode to June.
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DRH 7 is annotated twice (perhaps the same casing in two parts) so a total of 11 casings within the bedroom and two outside - DRH 13 and DRH 14 on the metal carpet separator and mid-landing respectively, both according to the diagram resulted from the second episode to June.
Just more evidence of the inadequate police performance perhaps.
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Just more evidence of the inadequate police performance perhaps.
It wasn't very good was it.
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I was just flying a kite Ispy, you have put a lot more thought into it than I have. I was thinking he could have roared off to make sure the neighbours heard him leave and then doubled back and parked somewhere nearby but I had forgotten about the socks with Junes blood on them!
So here's a thought: When JB was younger and still living at WHF, he would sneak out and back in again through the windows and always got away with it. He knew when they would all definitely be asleep. He knew every squeaky floorboard to avoid and he knew they were all heavy sleepers anyway.The dogs were probably so used to him sneaking about in the night they never barked. None of the neighbours ever saw him and grassed him up either so he had the confidence to break in and start shooting.
We will never know exactly, unless he confesses.
Spot on, CS.
And actually, the neighbours never saw him as he knew how to avoid being seen, Don't forget, there were very few houses nearby anyway; he knew all the unlit tracks and roads; and at midnight most people are asleep anyway...especially in 1985 when TV closed down at midnight; there was no internet; and the locals were all farmers who had to wake early...,
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Allegedly, June was a light sleeper. Sorreeeee!!!!
Yes, June was a light sleeper, apparently, but Sheila too used to sneak out at night by climbing down the drainpipe to meet her friends — so they obviously knew which floorboards creaked and which didn’t 🤸🏻♂️
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If JB committed the murders some hours before the claimed tel call from NB wouldn't it have been obvious the victims had been dead for longer to those at soc and the two pathologists who had access to soc images?
Conversely JB could not have know the police would delay entry so how would he explain NB alive at circa 3.30 am if he had been dead for some 4 hours?
CC said when he stayed at WHF NB went to bed before June.
June's head was on the pillow when she was first shot
If JB didn't call JM from GH where did he call her from?
NV was found in his pj's and there's an indentation in his pillow.
Where do NB's night time rituals come from in terms of a cig and nightcap in the lounge before bed?
Maybe that’s why Jeremy kept asking them to break in when they first got there?
Then again, I doubt he would have known anything about human biology and how long it takes for dead bodies to go through different processes. He failed miserably at school; had no access to the Internet, obviously, never seemed interested in books — so his knowledge was extremely limited.
As for pathologists determining a time of death, it can vary depending on many things: air temperature, cause of death, the individual’s chemistry, various things, so they can only give a window and that window can vary by several hours depending on a host of things.
I never suggested Jeremy murdered Nevill at 11:30pm, Holly. I suggested he may have murdered him at 1am: just two hours before 3am when Jeremy claimed Nevill called him (he was never clear about the time...3, 3:15...) so Jeremy wouldn’t have known what happens to a dead body in just one/two hours...
Yes, Nevill did usually go to bed before June according to CC, but that night Jeremy knew he couldn’t as he’d left him to collect the rapeseed, knowing June would be in bed before Nevill.
June’s head would have been on the pillow when she was shot — she was asleep. Jeremy crept in quietly...had Sheila suddenly gone berserk, screaming, rambling, shouting and thrashing around in the kitchen June would DEFINITELY have got up, wouldn’t she?!
I never said JB didn’t go to Goldhanger: I said he did. He rang Julie from there. And that’s where he changed into his wetsuit...
I’m assuming Nevill had his usual nightcap after his shower..,maybe he didn’t bother. So what?
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On the floor, they are part of the fabric object next to him. They are under his. knee so weren't placed there later by police as some have suggested.
As Nevill always took his shower downstairs at night, do you think it’s possible he undressed in the kitchen by the Aga as it was warm, placed his clothes on a chair ready to go in the wash, showered, and then put either his pyjamas on in the kitchen then relaxed for a bit in the sitting room with his G&T and cigarette?
I can’t think of any other reason...
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Thirteen cartridge cases were found in the main bedroom. Two bullets were fired at Sheila and seven at June. The remaining four were fired at Nevill. What, therefore could the landing case be associated with?
June sustained 7 entry wounds, 3 exit wounds and 1 non-penetrating gouge wound. Initially it was thought the gouge was caused by one of the other entry or exit wounds meaning in total the rifle was discharged 7 x's against June. This would have tallied up with the casings found at soc on Wed 7th Aug and Thu 8th Aug. DC Hammersley was responsible for collecting the casings, hence the acronym DRH. He was also present at pm when Dr V was identifying victims' gsw's and recovering bullets. As you've said it tallied in terms of 2 x casings SC, 7 x casings June and 4 x casings NB. However on Fri 9th Aug casing DRH/43 was found underneath the wardrobe. On this basis it was decided at trial that the non-penetrating gouge only wound sustained by June was in fact an independent gsw and not caused by one of the other 7 entry wounds or 3 exit wounds. Meaning the rifle was discharged a total of 8 x's against June. At the lab DRH/7 morphed into DRH/7a and DRH/7b but at trial 2 x DRH/7's were presented.
It also tallies with the number of bullets found at soc: DRH/5, DRH/35 x 2 (both found enbedded in June's pillow) and DRH/9 ie the 3 exit wounds June sustained and the 1 non-penetrating gouge wound. Obiviously the other 4 bullets were recovered at pm.
Sources: Trial testimony: DC Hammersly, Dr V and MAlcom Fletcher.
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NB sustained 4 entry wounds in the kitchen but only 3 casings were recovered.
A cartridge measures 1 inch in length and from memory of handling them they are about 0.5 - 0.7mm in diameter. The bullet accounts for about 1/3rd of the length so you're looking at something tiny which could quite easily have got lost and been thrown out. You can see also from soc images the kitchen is full of clutter.
DC Hammersly confirmed at trial no sweepings were taken from the floor.
It makes no sense whatsoever that somehow the missing casing from the kitchen somehow mysteriously arrived upstairs underneath a police officer's boot or it got stuck in the rifle and the perp manually ejected upstairs. If this was so how can it be explained that 4 bullets were found upstairs?
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On the floor, they are part of the fabric object next to him. They are under his. knee so weren't placed there later by police as some have suggested.
I think I recall Myster turning up some further info on this some months back.
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Conversely JB could not have know the police would delay entry so how would he explain NB alive at circa 3.30 am if he had been dead for some 4 hours? Unarmed police would walk into a situation where guns are an issue? Do you think people couldn't do their homework back in 1985? It wasn't the dark ages Holly./quote]
Funnily enough, there is an oddball on twitter that repeatedly posts a link to an episode of Brookside, shown just prior to the murders, that depicts a siege situation. There was also the famous embassy siege in the 80's - Bamber had painted the picture of a possible hostage situation, it would be unlikely the police would go bursting in.
Even if he was relying on some delay he could not have relied upon some 4 hours.
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Even if he was relying on some delay he could not have relied upon some 4 hours.
Of course, he couldn't. He could only rely on the strength of his own delaying tactics.
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Even if he was relying on some delay he could not have relied upon some 4 hours.
I don't think anyone can assume that JB couldn't know that police wouldn't go storming in to a potential hostage situation. The iranian embassy siege lasted for 6 days and was big news. I doubt JB was expecting the SAS to turn up when he thumbed through the phone book.
Come to think of it, was not dialling 999 part of his ruse in this regard, so the police wouldn't immediately scramble the armed bobbies?
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Even if he was relying on some delay he could not have relied upon some 4 hours.
Although Jeremy Bamber isn’t the sharpest tool in the box, even he knew unarmed police wouldn’t enter the house and back then it would take time to call in armed units.
He also made sure he terrified the police by saying “Sheila’s a nutter” “Sheila’s a psychopath “ “Sheila has used lots of guns”
All lies, of course, designed to prevent them going in sooner.
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I think the notion JB carried out the murders much earlier in the evening has too many obstacles to overcome:
1. June was known to go to bed after NB. June took a phone call from PB at 10 pm which lasted some 20 mins.
2. NB was last seen in the fields around 10.30 pm by Len Foakes and needed to be up again early in the morning to instruct others and get on with the harvest.
3. JB called JM at circa 10 pm and again this call lasted some 20 minutes. If he didn't call from GH where did he call from? On the basis he called from GH he then had to get to WHF, supposedly on his mother's bike wearing his wetsuit, enter WHF through a window with the rifle, or search it out, creep upstairs to shoot SC? June? Twins? and hope NB was otherwise engaged enabling him to lie in wait to ambush NB as he came up the stairs. The he did what for some 3/4 hours before phoning JM and the police? What advantage to him in delaying in this scenario which I find completely implausible?
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I don't think anyone can assume that JB couldn't know that police wouldn't go storming in to a potential hostage situation. The iranian embassy siege lasted for 6 days and was big news. I doubt JB was expecting the SAS to turn up when he thumbed through the phone book.
Come to think of it, was not dialling 999 part of his ruse in this regard, so the police wouldn't immediately scramble the armed bobbies?
But if he had already delayed for some 3/4 hours for whatever reason(s) what would be the point in delaying further?
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I don't think anyone can assume that JB couldn't know that police wouldn't go storming in to a potential hostage situation. The iranian embassy siege lasted for 6 days and was big news. I doubt JB was expecting the SAS to turn up when he thumbed through the phone book.
Come to think of it, was not dialling 999 part of his ruse in this regard, so the police wouldn't immediately scramble the armed bobbies?
Absolutely. I imagine it was ALL about delaying tactics from the moment of the completion of the murders.
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But if he had already delayed for some 3/4 hours for whatever reason(s) what would be the point in delaying further?
Maybe it had only been an hour from the murders and the call to police, just time to have a shower, put the towels and clothes in the wash, call JM to tell her everything is going well and do his hair.
There can be no disputing the fact that police thought they could be dealing with a hostage situation, JB had no control but it can't be assumed that he didn't have a reasonable idea of how it would go down.
I don't think it would have mattered if they had smashed the door in an found them all dead at 4am either. Determining TOD is still an inexact science today.
JB never once said, "hey my family are in there and could be in danger, come on - I'll open a window for you" - he didn't have to panic, he knew what the police were going to find. He talked about his porsche instead.
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Maybe it had only been an hour from the murders and the call to police, just time to have a shower, put the towels and clothes in the wash, call JM to tell her everything is going well and do his hair.
There can be no disputing the fact that police thought they could be dealing with a hostage situation, JB had no control but it can't be assumed that he didn't have a reasonable idea of how it would go down.
I don't think it would have mattered if they had smashed the door in an found them all dead at 4am either. Determining TOD is still an inexact science today.
JB never once said, "hey my family are in there and could be in danger, come on - I'll open a window for you" - he didn't have to panic, he knew what the police were going to find. He talked about his porsche instead.
That aspect was something he had to play by ear.
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I think the notion JB carried out the murders much earlier in the evening has too many obstacles to overcome:
1. June was known to go to bed after NB. June took a phone call from PB at 10 pm which lasted some 20 mins.
2. NB was last seen in the fields around 10.30 pm by Len Foakes and needed to be up again early in the morning to instruct others and get on with the harvest.
3. JB called JM at circa 10 pm and again this call lasted some 20 minutes. If he didn't call from GH where did he call from? On the basis he called from GH he then had to get to WHF, supposedly on his mother's bike wearing his wetsuit, enter WHF through a window with the rifle, or search it out, creep upstairs to shoot SC? June? Twins? and hope NB was otherwise engaged enabling him to lie in wait to ambush NB as he came up the stairs. The he did what for some 3/4 hours before phoning JM and the police? What advantage to him in delaying in this scenario which I find completely implausible?
Yes, and they’d have all been asleep in bed by midnight
Jeremy was just a 15 minute bicycle ride away, that’s hardly long
He could have easily got to WHF around midnight, killed everyone, left around 1am, and got home at 1:20am
That’s gave him an hour and half to possibly have another shower, put his clothes in the washing machine despite not needing to but just to be on the safe side...had a drink or coffees, probably a sandwich, dry his hair....the timing matches perfectly for when he rang Julie and said he hadn’t slept all night. That was the only truth he told her...he hadn’t slept as he’d been to a WHF and killed everyone.
Why would he tell the police he went to sleep at midnight (then changed it in his next statement to 11:30) but tell Julie he hadn’t slept at all?
C’mon....it’s too easy to see through his lies !
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Maybe it had only been an hour from the murders and the call to police, just time to have a shower, put the towels and clothes in the wash, call JM to tell her everything is going well and do his hair.
There can be no disputing the fact that police thought they could be dealing with a hostage situation, JB had no control but it can't be assumed that he didn't have a reasonable idea of how it would go down.
I don't think it would have mattered if they had smashed the door in an found them all dead at 4am either. Determining TOD is still an inexact science today.
JB never once said, "hey my family are in there and could be in danger, come on - I'll open a window for you" - he didn't have to panic, he knew what the police were going to find. He talked about his porsche instead.
Feeling for a pulse and finding the bodies still warm at that time would have been a good indicator,but any how that's speculation.
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Feeling for a pulse and finding the bodies still warm at that time would have been a good indicator,but any how that's speculation.
Dead bodies cool at different rates according to the atmosphere and temperature etc.
In the Bambers’ case the fact they all had rigor mortis gave Dr Vanezis an approximate idea of time of death, but it was variable, of course
There’d have been no need to check for pulses as it was evident they’d all been long dead...
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Bamber apparently interjected and suggested SC take a holiday April
No mention of him interjecting and suggesting SC take a holiday in his recorded piece repeated during Crimes that shook Britain
@ approx 38.33 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=scX821rcU5k
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Dead bodies cool at different rates according to the atmosphere and temperature etc.
In the Bambers’ case the fact they all had rigor mortis gave Dr Vanezis an approximate idea of time of death, but it was variable, of course
There’s have been no need to check for pulses as it was evident they’d all been long dead...
Vanezis didn't see the bodies until around 3pm in the afternoon Spy.
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Bamber apparently interjected and suggested SC take a holiday April
Wasn't she already on holiday? @)(++(*
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Wasn't she already on holiday? @)(++(*
More of Bamber’s ‘dupers delight’
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Vanezis didn't see the bodies until around 3pm in the afternoon Spy.
Yep, I know he didn’t, Caroline
But the police brought in the local GP shortly after raiding the property and he didn’t even touch their bodies — there was no need as he could see they’d been dead for many hours. That’s why he probably didn’t notice Sheila’s first bullet wound on her neck as her head was slightly tilted and there was so much dried blood.
He would have seen by their colouring and mottling they’d been dead hours, so there was no need to check for a pulse, or even a temperature
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No mention of him interjecting and suggesting SC take a holiday in his recorded piece repeated during Crimes that shook Britain
@ approx 38.33 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=scX821rcU5k
And it seems he told Roger Wilkes he left the kitchen - after eating a sandwich ‘to check that the dryer was still running’ ? on the way that’s apparently when he spotted the rabbits ?
https://soundcloud.com/hachetteaudiouk/blood-relations-by-roger-wilkes-read-by-colin-mace-audiobook-extract
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Yep, I know he didn’t, Caroline
But the police brought in the local GP shortly after raiding the property and he didn’t even touch their bodies — there was no need as he could see they’d been dead for many hours. That’s why he probably didn’t notice Sheila’s first bullet wound on her neck as her head was slightly tilted and there was so much dried blood.
He would have seen by their colouring and mottling they’d been dead hours, so there was no need to check for a pulse, or even a temperature
Pure, unadulterated conjecture. The bit about the bullet wound? Shut up. You expect this nonsense to get pumped out unchecked? Show me a cite, Quincy.
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Pure, unadulterated conjecture. The bit about the bullet wound? Shut up. You expect this nonsense to get pumped out unchecked? Show me a cite, Quincy.
It is true that Dr Craig only mentioned one bullet wound but he did so for everyone. I think his role was just to pronounce death and she clearly died of a gunshot wound.
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It is true that Dr Craig only mentioned one bullet wound but he did so for everyone. I think his role was just to pronounce death and she clearly died of a gunshot wound.
I concur. He pronounced death. But to suggest that he did so from 10ft, with divining rods, maintaining social distancing and not being required to touch any bodies due to 'oooh, they look well dead init', is unmitigated shart.
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Hang on! If Colin had supper with the Bambers, LEAVING for London, at 8.30, doesn't that preclude their last meal having being eaten between 8.30 and 9.00?
We are talking about two different days here. Or was it? Were the kids killed on their first night's stay with their granny?
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I concur. He pronounced death. But to suggest that he did so from 10ft, with divining rods, maintaining social distancing and not being required to touch any bodies due to 'oooh, they look well dead init', is unmitigated shart.
I imagine he got as close as he could without causing disruption.
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Pure, unadulterated conjecture. The bit about the bullet wound? Shut up. You expect this nonsense to get pumped out unchecked? Show me a cite, Quincy.
Of course the GP was called in to record the deaths.
He clearly dint touch the bodies as he could see they'd been for hours.
Sheila’s head was tilted and the GP did write there was one bullet wound. He didn’t notice it, obviously
He had no NEED to examine Sheila or the others, check for pulses...
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You shut up
Of course the GP was called in to record the deaths. Are you THAT stupid?
He clearly dint touch the bodies as he could see they'd been for hours FGS.
Sheila’s head was tilted and the GP did write there was one bullet wound. He didn’t notice it, obviously
He had no NEED to examine Sheila or the others, check for pulses...if you think a doctor can’t tell someone has been dead for hours you need to give your little bonce a big wobble
Re the 'one' bullet wound. I think you're wrong. He only noted "a" bullet wound on all the other victims, and their wound were obvious. I don't think it was his job to do anything other than pronounce life extinct. Something to do with not being seen to have disturbed a crime scene, perhaps?
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Of course the GP was called in to record the deaths.
He clearly dint touch the bodies as he could see they'd been for hours.
Sheila’s head was tilted and the GP did write there was one bullet wound. He didn’t notice it, obviously
He had no NEED to examine Sheila or the others, check for pulses...
Show me the money! Come on, for a change, exercise a little rigour instead of just spitting your theories at us.
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Of course the GP was called in to record the deaths.
He clearly dint touch the bodies as he could see they'd been for hours.
Sheila’s head was tilted and the GP did write there was one bullet wound. He didn’t notice it, obviously
He had no NEED to examine Sheila or the others, check for pulses...
Why have you edited my post, Gunit?
I put up proof of hw doctors determine death.
One is rigor mortis.
Why did you delete it?
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Why have you edited my post, Gunit?
I put up proof of hw doctors determine death.
One is rigor mortis.
Why did you delete it?
This is what you deleted, Gunit
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Particularly if the death is unexpected, an external examination of the deceased and their surroundings should be made, to look for any apparent factors which may be relevant to their death (bleeding, vomit, wounds, weapons, alcohol, pills, notes, etc).
Other signs include:
No response to painful stimuli.
Absence of corneal reflexes.
Cloudiness of the cornea.
Examination of the trunk may show evidence of post-mortem staining as a result of hypostasis.
Rigor mortis may have set in (begins approximately three hours after death).
Decreased temperature - will depend on ambient temperature but may not occur for up to eight hours”
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This is what you deleted, Gunit
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Particularly if the death is unexpected, an external examination of the deceased and their surroundings should be made, to look for any apparent factors which may be relevant to their death (bleeding, vomit, wounds, weapons, alcohol, pills, notes, etc).
Other signs include:
No response to painful stimuli.
Absence of corneal reflexes.
Cloudiness of the cornea.
Examination of the trunk may show evidence of post-mortem staining as a result of hypostasis.
Rigor mortis may have set in (begins approximately three hours after death).
Decreased temperature - will depend on ambient temperature but may not occur for up to eight hours”
I didn't delete your post.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11227.msg594988#msg594988
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This is what you deleted, Gunit
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Particularly if the death is unexpected, an external examination of the deceased and their surroundings should be made, to look for any apparent factors which may be relevant to their death (bleeding, vomit, wounds, weapons, alcohol, pills, notes, etc).
Other signs include:
No response to painful stimuli.
Absence of corneal reflexes.
Cloudiness of the cornea.
Examination of the trunk may show evidence of post-mortem staining as a result of hypostasis.
Rigor mortis may have set in (begins approximately three hours after death).
Decreased temperature - will depend on ambient temperature but may not occur for up to eight hours”
You put that on another thread. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11439.msg595006#msg595006
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You put that on another thread. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11439.msg595006#msg595006
Snap!
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This is what you deleted, Gunit
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Particularly if the death is unexpected, an external examination of the deceased and their surroundings should be made, to look for any apparent factors which may be relevant to their death (bleeding, vomit, wounds, weapons, alcohol, pills, notes, etc).
Other signs include:
No response to painful stimuli.
Absence of corneal reflexes.
Cloudiness of the cornea.
Examination of the trunk may show evidence of post-mortem staining as a result of hypostasis.
Rigor mortis may have set in (begins approximately three hours after death).
Decreased temperature - will depend on ambient temperature but may not occur for up to eight hours”
Should've gone to Specsavers babe
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Bloody Hell, G-Unit is a moderator. I’m doomed.
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Bloody Hell, G-Unit is a moderator. I’m doomed.
Everyone is, there is more of 'them' than us @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Everyone is, there is more of 'them' than us @)(++(* @)(++(*
Usually we get to vote on these things or at the very least there is an announcement. Pretty bad form I would say. I’ve raised in on the moderation thread.
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Why are the only two steadfast Jeremy supporters on this forum both moderators? Where’s the fairness?
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Why are the only two steadfast Jeremy supporters on this forum both moderators? Where’s the fairness?
...yet they're in opposition on the MM forum.
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Why are the only two steadfast Jeremy supporters on this forum both moderators? Where’s the fairness?
You're forgetting all the mods that believe JB guilty as charged: Angelo, Brie, John and Myster. On the fence: Eleanor, G-Unit and Mrswah. Innocent: Holly.
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...yet they're in opposition on the MM forum.
What’s that?
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You're forgetting all the mods that believe JB guilty as charged: Angelo, Brie, John and Myster. On the fence: Eleanor, G-Unit and Mrswah. Innocent: Holly.
I don’t believe Eleanor and G-Unit really seriously entertain the idea that Bamber is a mass murderer, Mrs Wah does seem genuinely undecided and is certainly very fair, Angelo and John are rare contributors to this forum these days, but I’ll give you Brie.
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$65*
Bloody Hell, G-Unit is a moderator. I’m doomed.
Well spotted; it only took you three weeks. @)(++(*
On a serious note my only aim is to do my best to make sure all members abide by the the rules of the forum.
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ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THIS BUT....................... FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, I'VE JUST LEARNED THAT TRUDI AND HER HUSBAND HAVE STEPPED DOWN FROM THEIR ROLES ALLIED WITH THE CT OF JEREMY BAMBER.
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ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THIS BUT....................... FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, I'VE JUST LEARNED THAT TRUDI AND HER HUSBAND HAVE STEPPED DOWN FROM THEIR ROLES ALLIED WITH THE CT OF JEREMY BAMBER.
Trudi Benjamin Moves on to New Pastures.
A few days ago, our directors Trudi and Pat Bejamin stepped down from their roles within JB Campaign Ltd and moved on to new pastures. The campaign would like to take a moment to thank Trudi and Pat and remark upon some of the active campaigner work that Trudi undertook during her time with us.
Trudi has been a campaigner for Jeremy Bamber since 2010 while living in Canada, and upon moving back to the UK Trudi became more actively involved with Jeremy’s campaign and joined the team working informally. During 2015 the campaign founder, Sarah Hanover, was hoping the team could generate donations and sought a more formal way to do this by using a Ltd company. Trudi and Pat offered to set up this company and it proved arduous from the outset with difficulties setting up a bank account, meeting resistance from banks because of the nature of the organization. There was also the issue of using Jeremy’s name when in prison he can’t formally give permission to use it. Trudi actively overcame all of the obstacles to set up the company and JB Campaign Ltd was formed.
Prior to Trudi’s directorship and after, she worked on Jeremy’s social media platforms and became spokesperson for the campaign, appearing on a number of radio stations and in media interviews. There were no tasks that Trudi wasn’t willing to try, to get the word of Jeremy’s innocence out there. During the past 5 years Trudi took Jeremy’s disclosure issues to Liberty and spoke emphatically to their AGM, and also appeared as a speaker at United Against Injustice in Liverpool a number of times. Trudi was involved in meetings on disclosure for those maintaining innocence with the Centre for Criminal Appeals in London. She travelled extensively, at her own expense to help Jeremy by interviewing people involved in his case for a vlog and also spoke at the Cardiff Law school innocence project.
She formed alliances with other organizations and campaigners and brought in patrons to the organization. All of this work was done whilst Trudi completed a law degree and gaining a first class LLB during 2019. Trudi has gone on to pursue a master’s degree in law whilst working as a volunteer in youth offending, and at the same time caring for a large family. She has even battled the tabloid press on her front doorstep and has shown spirit, strength and resilience through all of it. It has been 5 years of hard work for Trudi supported by our team, and it’s now time for her to move on and pursue other avenues including an academic path with a thesis as part of her master’s degree.
We all want to say thanks to Trudi for all of her work, and Jeremy especially would like to say how much he appreciates all that she has done for him in the past 5 years and before the Ltd company. We will move forward with Trudi’s legacy and take Jeremy to freedom with the framework that she built. Thank you, Trudi, and all the very best with your studies and every path you tread in the future.
Jeremy & The team at JBIC.
https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/trudi-benjamin
Jeremy Bamber Campaign Ltd and the Campaign Team.
From Dec 2015 ‘Jeremy Bamber Campaign’ was a trading name of Jeremy Bamber Campaign Ltd. As of 25th May 2020, the Ltd company will no longer be the same organization as Jeremy Bamber Campaign. The two entities will split off in the following ways:
Jeremy Bamber Campaign Ltd will continue to receive donations from the public for forensic and legal expenses. The director of this company is Philip Walker taking over from Trudi and Pat Benjamin who will step down as Managing Director and Company Secretary. The funds raised by this company will not benefit Jeremy Bamber personally and the donations are not available to him. The company address is: JB Campaign Ltd, 61 Bridge Street, Kington, Herefordshire, United Kingdom, HR5 3DJ.
Jeremy Bamber Campaign will become ‘Jeremy Bamber Innocence Campaign’ or JBIC. This organization will continue to raise public awareness of Jeremy’s innocence throughout various forms of social media, web sites, videos, blogs and testimonials. This organization will be restructured from existing team members in the following ways: Sarah Hanover will return as the campaign Admin after almost a year away owing to personal circumstances. This role will be in a joint capacity with the existing Admin and Forensic Liaison Manager, Yvonne Hartley. Philip Walker will also continue with his PR and communications capacity in addition to his directorship of JB Campaign Ltd.
Jeremy Bamber and the team would like to take this opportunity to thank Trudi and Pat Benjamin for their commitment to the campaign during their directorships. We wish them the very best in their future endeavours. Trudi's contribution to the campaign is celebrated on this page.
About the Director
The Company is administered by management team member, Philip Walker, who has many years of relevant experience as the Finance Director of an international communications company. His vision of continuing the Ltd company is with it operating in a capacity away from the day to day running of the campaign (JBIC).
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the campaign through raising awareness or making donations or in whatever way they have been able. We know that this latest legal push will see Jeremy to freedom in the near future.
https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/jb-campaign-ltd-and-directors
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Keep to the original topic please.