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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on July 10, 2020, 09:27:28 AM
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Afaik all we know for sure is that MM disappeared? A number of theories have been put forward re motive but what evidence exists to support sexual over all others?
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Afaik all we know for sure is that MM disappeared? A number of theories have been put forward re motive but what evidence exists to support sexual over all others?
I would say its only the mccs who started that scenario.. by saying Maddie was taken by a pedo.
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Afaik all we know for sure is that MM disappeared? A number of theories have been put forward re motive but what evidence exists to support sexual over all others?
Nothing is known for certain so in these cases..as I understand...the police would look at probabilities.
Then follow the evidence. At the moment it seems they are looking at s sexually motivated abduction and have been for over two years
I would say it's highly probable that the abduction was sexually motivated
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Afaik all we know for sure is that MM disappeared? A number of theories have been put forward re motive but what evidence exists to support sexual over all others?
It's now been proven there was a burglar/paedophiles living in the area...this must be highly significant
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Nothing is known for certain so in these cases..as I understand...the police would look at probabilities.
Then follow the evidence. At the moment it seems they are looking at s sexually motivated abduction and have been for over two years
I would say it's highly probable that the abduction was sexually motivated
In other words you don't know what the evidence is, but you assume the police have had it for over two years.
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It's now been proven there was a burglar/paedophiles living in the area...this must be highly significant
Why it proves nothing..
They are everywhere it seems.... so not significant at all.
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Nothing is known for certain so in these cases..as I understand...the police would look at probabilities.
Then follow the evidence. At the moment it seems they are looking at s sexually motivated abduction and have been for over two years
I would say it's highly probable that the abduction was sexually motivated
What abduction?
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Why it proves nothing..
They are everywhere it seems.... so not significant at all.
It's highly significant...you are in denial...so significant he's being investigated and we are told there is strong evidence against him
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In other words you don't know what the evidence is, but you assume the police have had it for over two years.
I'm assuming nothing.....unlike other posters who know as a fact that the Germans have no evidence...lol
Read my post again and point out what I'm assuming
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I'm assuming nothing.....unlike other posters who know as a fact that the Germans have no evidence...lol
Read my post again and point out what I'm assuming
You're assuming Maddie was abducted.
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I would say its only the mccs who started that scenario.. by saying Maddie was taken by a pedo.
Yes what idiots they are! As if anyone's going to believe a child would be taken from her bed by a paedo! Obviously that never happens (even in a town apparently crawling with them) and it's always the parents that are responsible for the disappearance, case closed. NEXT!
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Nothing is known for certain so in these cases..as I understand...the police would look at probabilities.
Then follow the evidence. At the moment it seems they are looking at s sexually motivated abduction and have been for over two years
I would say it's highly probable that the abduction was sexually motivated
Based on what exactly?
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It's now been proven there was a burglar/paedophiles living in the area...this must be highly significant
Find me some place on earth where burglars/paedophiles don't exist? Bear in mind no other British child has disappeared on an overseas hol since the advent of mass tourism.
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Yes what idiots they are! As if anyone's going to believe a child would be taken from her bed by a paedo! Obviously that never happens (even in a town apparently crawling with them) and it's always the parents that are responsible for the disappearance, case closed. NEXT!
I would suggest the reason it's unheard of is that most parents don't leave very young children home alone night after night in unsecured holiday apartments.
What evidence exists to support a sexual motive over all others?
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I would suggest the reason it's unheard of is that most parents don't leave very young children home alone night after night in unsecured holiday apartments.
What evidence exists to support a sexual motive over all others?
Nothing, as far as I can see.
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I would suggest the reason it's unheard of is that most parents don't leave very young children home alone night after night in unsecured holiday apartments.
What evidence exists to support a sexual motive over all others?
It's not unheard of that many children have been abducted when left in a vulnerable situation.
I must say that when there is any news of a child being abducted then sadly one does fear there is a sexual motive.
I think that would be my first fear.
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It's highly significant...you are in denial...so significant he's being investigated and we are told there is strong evidence against him
I'm in denial LOL.......It's you D by putting your eggs all in one basket.
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I would suggest the reason it's unheard of is that most parents don't leave very young children home alone night after night in unsecured holiday apartments.
What evidence exists to support a sexual motive over all others?
You'll need to ask Gerry & Kate, they knew about the evidence on the evening of May 3rd.
"Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation.'
He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/
Kate was screaming 'the f..king b........s have taken her'.
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Find me some place on earth where burglars/paedophiles don't exist? Bear in mind no other British child has disappeared on an overseas hol since the advent of mass tourism.
Mark Rowley 2017:That has been one key line of enquiry. The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide
and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences
need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are
currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which
could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been
doing.
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Nothing, as far as I can see.
I think KM said she found MM's bedding neatly turned back and otherwise undisturbed?
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I would suggest the reason it's unheard of is that most parents don't leave very young children home alone night after night in unsecured holiday apartments.
What evidence exists to support a sexual motive over all others?
Strangely though children HAVE been abducted from their beds by paedos when not left unattended by their parents, as numerous previously cited cases prove. So, is it the fact that they were left unattended that makes it LESS likely there was a sexual motivation? Yes, I'm sure that makes a whole heap of sense.
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I think KM said she found MM's bedding neatly turned back and otherwise undisturbed?
That would have happened if Brueckner had abducted Madeleine to sell to someone who wanted to adopt her.
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It's not unheard of that many children have been abducted when left in a vulnerable situation.
I must say that when there is any news of a child being abducted then sadly one does fear there is a sexual motive.
I think that would be my first fear.
Can you name any British child abducted whilst on an overseas hol with family?
Yes I guess it's natural to think the worst in such a scenario but what actual evidence exists to support sexual over all other motives?
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That would have happened if Brueckner had abducted Madeleine to sell to someone who wanted to adopt her.
Would it? You think someone like CB would distinguish between taking MM for his own sexual gratification and taking her for a.n. other to adopt by the way in which the bedding was left?
According to KM the bedding was neatly turned back at the corner and no other disturbance. Is this how a paedo would remove a small child, possibly sleeping, from her bed?
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I'm in denial LOL.......It's you D by putting your eggs all in one basket.
You need to read and understand my posts...Im interested in what the Germans have...it sounds significant. Some like you, have decide they have nothing. I would prefer to wait and see.
You are in denial in a smuch as you still think the McCanns are suspects
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Based on what exactly?
Based on previous abduction cases
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Would it? You think someone like CB would distinguish between taking MM for his own sexual gratification and taking her for a.n. other to adopt by the way in which the bedding was left?
According to KM the bedding was neatly turned back at the corner and no other disturbance. Is this how a paedo would remove a small child, possibly sleeping, from her bed?
I don't know. I'm not a Paedophile. But I doubt he would want the goods damaged if he was selling Madeleine.
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Can you name any British child abducted whilst on an overseas hol with family?
Yes I guess it's natural to think the worst in such a scenario but what actual evidence exists to support sexual over all other motives?
Possibly the fact that most disappeared children have been abducted for that motive.
If a child is in the custody of one parent, then abduction by the other parent is possible.
What other motives do you see as more likely.in Madeleine's abduction?
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Find me some place on earth where burglars/paedophiles don't exist? Bear in mind no other British child has disappeared on an overseas hol since the advent of mass tourism.
I think it's quite unusual to have a person who makes a living as a burglar who is also a rapist paedophile
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It's not unheard of that many children have been abducted when left in a vulnerable situation.
I must say that when there is any news of a child being abducted then sadly one does fear there is a sexual motive.
I think that would be my first fear.
I would think also the clue is in pedo abduction they only want a child for one thing.
Why would the mccs first thought be pedo abduction especially when kmc said this
the family had not considered a babysitter.
"In fact, we didn’t even consider it. We felt so secure we simply didn’t think it was necessary.”
Mrs McCann adds: “Hand on heart, it never once crossed my mind that this might not be a safe option.
So why was sexual motivation her first option of were Maddie had gone?
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I think it's quite unusual to have a person who makes a living as a burglar who is also a rapist paedophile
He also worked in catering I understand, so not all his living was made from burglaty.
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Based on previous abduction cases
Such as?
In most cases when the motive was sexual either the child is found or a body recovered. Not so in this case.
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Such as?
In most cases when the motive was sexual either the child is found or a body recovered. Not so in this case.
It may be the norm in Portugal
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Can you name any British child abducted whilst on an overseas hol with family?
Yes I guess it's natural to think the worst in such a scenario but what actual evidence exists to support sexual over all other motives?
What has being on holiday and being British got to do with whether or not a child's disappearance is sexually motivated? Once you can explain that I will answer.
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I don't know. I'm not a Paedophile. But I doubt he would want the goods damaged if he was selling Madeleine.
So you think a 30 year old male, who Afaik had no experience of childcare, would have the wherewithal to neatly fold back the covers of the bed and remove a child who was quite possibly sleeping? KM said no sign of disturbance. No flailing limbs disturbing bedding. Mrs Fenn did not hear a sound.
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What has being on holiday and being British got to do with whether or not a child's disappearance is sexually motivated? Once you can explain that I will answer.
Like for like.
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So you think a 30 year old male, who Afaik had no experience of childcare, would have the wherewithal to neatly fold back the covers of the bed and remove a child who was quite possibly sleeping? KM said no sign of disturbance. No flailing limbs disturbing bedding. Mrs Fenn did not hear a sound.
Jesus, just how much child care training do you need to fold back covers on a bed and pick up a sleeping child??!
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So you think a 30 year old male, who Afaik had no experience of childcare, would have the wherewithal to neatly fold back the covers of the bed and remove a child who was quite possibly sleeping? KM said no sign of disturbance. No flailing limbs disturbing bedding. Mrs Fenn did not hear a sound.
Out of interest, how much childcare training did your two suspects have?
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I think it's quite unusual to have a person who makes a living as a burglar who is also a rapist paedophile
Rapist paedophile? Viewing pornograpgy, indecent exposure and child molestation. The latter two offences were committed in his youth I believe?
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I would think also the clue is in pedo abduction they only want a child for one thing.
Why would the mccs first thought be pedo abduction especially when kmc said this
the family had not considered a babysitter.
"In fact, we didn’t even consider it. We felt so secure we simply didn’t think it was necessary.”
Mrs McCann adds: “Hand on heart, it never once crossed my mind that this might not be a safe option.
So why was sexual motivation her first option of were Maddie had gone?
Because it sadly is the usual reason for children being abducted.
What other motive would you have thought of in a similar situation?
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I would think also the clue is in pedo abduction they only want a child for one thing.
Why would the mccs first thought be pedo abduction especially when kmc said this
the family had not considered a babysitter.
"In fact, we didn’t even consider it. We felt so secure we simply didn’t think it was necessary.”
Mrs McCann adds: “Hand on heart, it never once crossed my mind that this might not be a safe option.
So why was sexual motivation her first option of were Maddie had gone?
Every parents worst nightmare.
Someone once tried to break into my youngest son's bedroom on the ground floor. He failed, but it was my first thought.
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Out of interest, how much childcare training did your two suspects have?
One has a half sibling some 13 years younger. By the time the half sibling was MM's age my suspect would be around 17 yoa.
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Rapist paedophile? Viewing pornograpgy, indecent exposure and child molestation. The latter two offences were committed in his youth I believe?
he's been found guilty of rape...once a paedophile always as I understand
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So you think a 30 year old male, who Afaik had no experience of childcare, would have the wherewithal to neatly fold back the covers of the bed and remove a child who was quite possibly sleeping? KM said no sign of disturbance. No flailing limbs disturbing bedding. Mrs Fenn did not hear a sound.
At the very least, whatever his motive, he will have been careful. I don't understand why you can't see this.
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Rapist paedophile? Viewing pornograpgy, indecent exposure and child molestation. The latter two offences were committed in his youth I believe?
Oh, well that's alright then.
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Oh, well that's alright then.
He doesn't have a history of attempting to abduct children or the more serious offences that result in long custodial sentences.
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He doesn't have a history of attempting to abduct children or the more serious offences that result in long custodial sentences.
So Rape is okay as well?
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You need to read and understand my posts...Im interested in what the Germans have...it sounds significant. Some like you, have decide they have nothing. I would prefer to wait and see.
You are in denial in a smuch as you still think the McCanns are suspects
That's not denial though....only in your rule book but you don't make the rules D.
its what my opinion is....and there is no proof of abduction.
So why should I need to understand your posts ...your not right ...you just think you are.
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So you think a 30 year old male, who Afaik had no experience of childcare, would have the wherewithal to neatly fold back the covers of the bed and remove a child who was quite possibly sleeping? KM said no sign of disturbance. No flailing limbs disturbing bedding. Mrs Fenn did not hear a sound.
According to Kate Madeleine 'snuggled down', which I interpret as sliding under the covers of the bed. By 9:04 when Gerry checked on the children;
Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
Did Madeleine push the covers down herself, to end up lying completely uncovered on top of them?
(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_15.jpg)
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So Rape is okay as well?
Has he raped or attempted to rape a child?
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At the very least, whatever his motive, he will have been careful. I don't understand why you can't see this.
Too few cases to draw comparisons. Where children have been abducted from their beds: Sophie Hook and Alesha MacPhail the bodies were recovered. How was soc found in terms of their beds?
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According to Kate Madeleine 'snuggled down', which I interpret as sliding under the covers of the bed. By 9:04 when Gerry checked on the children;
Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
Did Madeleine push the covers down herself, to end up lying completely uncovered on top of them?
(https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_15.jpg)
Thanks. Is KM more specific in her book or wit stats?
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Too few cases to draw comparisons. Where children have been abducted from their beds: Sophie Hook and Alesha MacPhail the bodies were recovered. How was soc found in terms of their beds?
Does this thread have any point....a sexual motibe is a possibility...a realistic possibility. the Germans say they have strong evidence maddie is dead........we will soon see.
Most people on the forum....i think most people in general ..most police... think Maddie is dead. If thats due to a stranger its most likely sexual
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Does this thread have any point....a sexual motibe is a possibility...a realistic possibility. the Germans say they have strong evidence maddie is dead........we will soon see.
Most people on the forum....i think most people in general ..most police... think Maddie is dead. If thats due to a stranger its most likely sexual
I would have thought a thread that asks what evidence exists to support a sexual motive is relevant? Motive is a cornerstone of an investigation: means, motive, opportunity.
Ian Horrock's who has 30 years experience with the MET and visited PDL to carry out a review for The Sun does not think the motive was sexual.
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I would have thought a thread that asks what evidence exists to support a sexual motive is relevant? Motive is a cornerstone of an investigation: means, motive, opportunity.
Ian Horrock's who has 30 years experience with the MET and visited PDL to carry out a review for The Sun does not think the motive was sexual.
Can you provide a cite for Horrocks..not from the past ..pre CB...but the present.
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I would have thought a thread that asks what e ofvidence exists to support a sexual motive is relevant? Motive is a cornerstone of an investigation: means, motive, opportunity.
Ian Horrock's who has 30 years experience with the MET and visited PDL to carry out a review for The Sun does not think the motive was sexual.
As I recall Horrocks says a burglar taking Maddie was unlikely..I would think he's changed his mind now
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If the sole motivation for abduction was self-gratification then he wouldn't have said these reported words to an ex-girlfriend :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job-22166869
The paedophile suspected of snatching Madeleine McCann allegedly told his British then-girlfriend he had "a horrible job to do" shortly before the girl vanished.
It was pre-planned. It was a job, not for pleasure but for monetary gain. He had a reputation amongst associates as a proficient house-breaker, not as a child molester. IMO.
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If the sole motivation for abduction was self-gratification then he wouldn't have said these reported words to an ex-girlfriend :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job-22166869
The paedophile suspected of snatching Madeleine McCann allegedly told his British then-girlfriend he had "a horrible job to do" shortly before the girl vanished.
It was pre-planned. It was a job, not for pleasure but for monetary gain. He had a reputation amongst associates as a proficient house-breaker, not as a child molester. IMO.
Perhaps he didn't.
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If the sole motivation for abduction was self-gratification then he wouldn't have said these reported words to an ex-girlfriend :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job-22166869
The paedophile suspected of snatching Madeleine McCann allegedly told his British then-girlfriend he had "a horrible job to do" shortly before the girl vanished.
It was pre-planned. It was a job, not for pleasure but for monetary gain. He had a reputation amongst associates as a proficient house-breaker, not as a child molester. IMO.
One possibility imo is such a "horrible job" could be concealment of a corpse, for example.
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One possibility imo is such a "horrible job" could be concealment of a corpse, for example.
I don't have him down as a psychic.....
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One possibility imo is such a "horrible job" could be concealment of a corpse, for example.
First prove there was a corpse
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I don't have him down as a psychic.....
Someone could arrange such a horrible job in advance with an offender. The offender doesn't have to be psychic.
I think going back to a sexual motive there are several scenarios to consider:
1. Predatory paedophile. Though if this was the case I would have expected her body to have been found.
2. Trafficking a child into the sex trade. This would be rare given MM's age and also unlikely because she was a UK tourist and so such an abduction would invite much attention
3. If there was parental involvement in MM's death then it's hard to explain why an accident would be concealed. The threat of a "neglect" charge surely wouldn't have been deemed to subsequently lead to a prison sentence especially given the family's connections to people in high places. If they had given MM an over the counter antihistamine (as a sleep aid) then this wouldn't have led to a prison sentence even when combined with alleged "neglect". However if there was some evidence of sexual abuse then that would provide a higher likelihood of the need (motive) to cover up an accident.
All three of the above are pure speculation and just ideas exploring possible sexual motive scenarios. I am not suggesting that there is any evidence that MM was killed by a predatory paedophile nor the victim of sexual abuse carried out by anyone in her family or their friends. Also the parents are quite rightly legally presumed innocent of any involvement in her dissappearance.
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First prove there was a corpse
I don't believe they ever will in this case.
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He doesn't have a history of attempting to abduct children or the more serious offences that result in long custodial sentences.
Do your suspects have a history of abducting children or any criminal activity
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Like for like.
Whatis that supposed to mean?
How about name just one other British child that has been abducted by a childless couple wanting a little girl to raise as their own whilst on holiday?
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Someone could arrange such a horrible job in advance with an offender. The offender doesn't have to be psychic.
I think going back to a sexual motive there are several scenarios to consider:
1. Predatory paedophile. Though if this was the case I would have expected her body to have been found.
2. Trafficking a child into the sex trade. This would be rare given MM's age and also unlikely because she was a UK tourist and so such an abduction would invite much attention
3. If there was parental involvement in MM's death then it's hard to explain why an accident would be concealed. The threat of a "neglect" charge surely wouldn't have been deemed to subsequently lead to a prison sentence especially given the family's connections to people in high places. If they had given MM an over the counter antihistamine (as a sleep aid) then this wouldn't have led to a prison sentence even when combined with alleged "neglect". However if there was some evidence of sexual abuse then that would provide a higher likelihood of the need (motive) to cover up an accident.
All three of the above are pure speculation and just ideas exploring possible sexual motive scenarios. I am not suggesting that there is any evidence that MM was killed by a predatory paedophile nor the victim of sexual abuse carried out by anyone in her family or their friends. Also the parents are quite rightly legally presumed innocent of any involvement in her dissappearance.
You mean like "we're planning to OD our kid tomorrow and it's likely she will fall off the sofa and die so could we book you for a bit of body occultation"? If not like that, perhaps you could explain how you think it was arranged for CB to dispose of a child who suddenly died in an accident?
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I think it's quite unusual to have a person who makes a living as a burglar who is also a rapist paedophile
Didn't the person who assaulted those children in their apartments also take things when he was there?
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I can just imagine the reaction of sceptics if a couple of friends of Gerry admitted he knew what happened to Maddie..
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Too few cases to draw comparisons. Where children have been abducted from their beds: Sophie Hook and Alesha MacPhail the bodies were recovered. How was soc found in terms of their beds?
The only question is how likely is it....with Breukner living nearby ...quite likely
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Whatis that supposed to mean?
How about name just one other British child that has been abducted by a childless couple wanting a little girl to raise as their own whilst on holiday?
Name me a 3 yoa child left night after night completely unsupervised in an unlocked hol apt where the parents MO of an evening was observable?
Means, motive, opportunity...
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Name me a 3 yoa child left night after night completely unsupervised in an unlocked hol apt where the parents MO of an evening was observable?
Means, motive, opportunity...
Now tell me CB had neither means, motive nor opportunity and why not.
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Now tell me CB had neither means, motive nor opportunity and why not.
All those do is qualify him to be a suspect- which he is.
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The only question is how likely is it....with Breukner living nearby ...quite likely
Hughes overheard about SH sleeping in the tent and Campbell was acquainted with the family. Totally different scenarios. How on earth was CB aware MM was home alone in 5A?
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Hughes overheard about SH sleeping in the tent and Campbell was acquainted with the family. Totally different scenarios. How on earth was CB aware MM was home alone in 5A?
According to the police he was probably informed by an employee....it was written on the booking sheet kept in the Tapas reception
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I find it strange that the so-called supporters appear desperate in their argument that MM has been abducted by a paedophile.
If the Mc's were here arguing I wonder if they would agree.
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I find it strange that the so-called supporters appear desperate in their argument that MM has been abducted by a paedophile.
If the Mc's were here arguing I wonder if they would agree.
No one's desperate...and it's only strange in your strange opinion. I'm simply looking at the evidence...what happened to Maddie happened..we can't change it
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I find it strange that the so-called supporters appear desperate in their argument that MM has been abducted by a paedophile.
If the Mc's were here arguing I wonder if they would agree.
That's quite a barmy post...imo
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According to the police he was probably informed by an employee....it was written on the booking sheet kept in the Tapas reception
Police or tabloids?
I know it was written on the booking sheet, but there was nothing about the patio door being unsecured, and no evidence the perp directly observed this info or it was passed on by a.n.other.
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That's quite a barmy post...imo
What's barmy about it? You want to argue strongly that MM was abducted by a paedophile even though there's zero evidence of this.
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Police or tabloids?
I know it was written on the booking sheet, but there was nothing about the patio door being unsecured, and no evidence the perp directly observed this info or it was passed on by a.n.other.
The details re the booking sheet come from Kate's book
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What's barmy about it? You want to argue strongly that MM was abducted by a paedophile even though there's zero evidence of this.
It's quite possible that CB is the perp...do you at least accept that
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The details re the booking sheet come from Kate's book
You claim CB learned this fact. I asked police or tabloids?
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It's quite possible that CB is the perp...do you at least accept that
No I don't because I believe the perp was someone who knew Mc's MO and there's no evidence CB could have acquired this knowledge. When I fist visited this board I started up a thread 'Room With A View' and this was before I even knew of my suspects existence.
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You claim CB learned this fact. I asked police or tabloids?
I claim CB may have learnt this fact.....can't remember where I heard it...
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No I don't because I believe the perp was someone who knew Mc's MO and there's no evidence CB could have acquired this knowledge. When I fist visited this board I started up a thread 'Room With A View' and this was before I even knew of my suspects existence.
I think that's quite an irrational post...it's quite possible that CB knew the routine
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No I don't because I believe the perp was someone who knew Mc's MO and there's no evidence CB could have acquired this knowledge. When I fist visited this board I started up a thread 'Room With A View' and this was before I even knew of my suspects existence.
You say there's no evidence against CB...the police day there is strong evidence. As I recall you don't have any real evidence against your suspects
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I claim CB may have learnt this fact.....can't remember where I heard it...
..can't remember where I heard it...
Oh lol not that old chestnut
If its a claim of fact produce a cite.
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..can't remember where I heard it...
Oh lol not that old chestnut
If its a claim of fact produce a cite.
You mean you didn't see it... shows how much you know about the case...I'm sure others have. I read that's what they think the phone call may be about
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Has he raped or attempted to rape a child?
What do you define as sexual abuse of a child?
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I find it strange that the so-called supporters appear desperate in their argument that MM has been abducted by a paedophile.
If the Mc's were here arguing I wonder if they would agree.
Yeah, you're right. We should stop voicing our opinions and fall into line with yours. Or even the sceptics who believe Madeleine was tossed in a bin by her Dad. We should just keep our big fat mouths shut, the McCanns would much prefer it if we got back to blaming them for it.
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Now tell me CB had neither means, motive nor opportunity and why not.
Well Holly?
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If the sole motivation for abduction was self-gratification then he wouldn't have said these reported words to an ex-girlfriend :
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-horrible-job-22166869
The paedophile suspected of snatching Madeleine McCann allegedly told his British then-girlfriend he had "a horrible job to do" shortly before the girl vanished.
It was pre-planned. It was a job, not for pleasure but for monetary gain. He had a reputation amongst associates as a proficient house-breaker, not as a child molester. IMO.
Almost certainly. This was planned in my opinion and only for money.
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Almost certainly. This was planned in my opinion and only for money.
Your only issue now is getting it proved.
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One possibility imo is such a "horrible job" could be concealment of a corpse, for example.
So you think that Madeleine was already dead.
Jesus Christ, why am I still doing this.
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..can't remember where I heard it...
Oh lol not that old chestnut
If its a claim of fact produce a cite.
Cut the Lol. It isn't funny. Okay.
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Your only issue now is getting it proved.
Do I have to?
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Cut the Lol. It isn't funny. Okay.
Is it Okay then when claiming fact just to put can't remember where I heard it?
Heard it ...that's worse than seeing it.
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..can't remember where I heard it...
Oh lol not that old chestnut
If its a claim of fact produce a cite.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/accomplice-tipped-off-madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-brueckner-5vrb335t0
An employee at the resort where Madeleine McCann was abducted may have watched her family and passed information to Christian Brückner so he could burgle their apartment, reports suggest.
Portuguese police believe that an alleged accomplice told Brückner, the prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance, that the family had left valuable items in the ground floor apartment where the three-year-old slept with her 18-month-old twin siblings. Their parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were at a restaurant in the Ocean Club complex.
then..
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-express/20200609/281973199886530
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Is it Okay then when claiming fact just to put can't remember where I heard it?
Heard it ...that's worse than seeing it.
They also say that an innocent receptionist may have inadvertently led to Brueckner being tipped off about the McCann's leaving the apartment open while dining with friends some distance away.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8399409/Police-identify-crooked-hotel-worker-tipped-Madeleine-prime-suspect-Christian-Brueckner.html
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Is it Okay then when claiming fact just to put can't remember where I heard it?
Heard it ...that's worse than seeing it.
still waiting for the cite from Billy that you thought you had helped him with
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I find it strange that the so-called supporters appear desperate in their argument that MM has been abducted by a paedophile.
If the Mc's were here arguing I wonder if they would agree.
I am hoping that Madeleine wasn't abducted by a Paedophile. The German Police seem to think she was, so that is what I am discussing. Of course the McCann's would hope they are wrong, but are not stupid they obviously also think they could be right. We just have to wait and see.
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still waiting for the cite from Billy that you thought you had helped him with
Well seems I didn't help then did I ...if I put the wrong one.
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I am hoping that Madeleine wasn't abducted by a Paedophile. The German Police seem to think she was, so that is what I am discussing. Of course the McCann's would hope they are wrong, but are not stupid they obviously also think they could be right. We just have to wait and see.
It was of course the McCanns first fear, that she had been abducted by a paedophile and it would doubtless have been mine too. I suppose this makes me a pervert in some people’s eyes.
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So you think that Madeleine was already dead.
Jesus Christ, why am I still doing this.
I don't know what happened to her. I'm suggesting possibilities.... that's all the abduction theory is... a possibility.
If MM was abducted by a paedophile sex predator odds are massively that she was dead within a few hours. I believe in those circumstances they would have found her body by now.... but this isn't always the case - as other cases demonstrate.
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Is it Okay then when claiming fact just to put can't remember where I heard it?
Heard it ...that's worse than seeing it.
This is irrelevant. Put Up, or Shut Up.
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still waiting for the cite from Billy that you thought you had helped him with
You'll be waiting days.... I haven't got time to listen to it all again... and I'm working all weekend.
But don't worry our Dave - I will post it.
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This Thread should never have been started.
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This Thread should never have been started.
Why? It's a perfectly reasonable question. Allbeit incredibly grim and sad to think about.
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Why? It's a perfectly reasonable question. Allbeit incredibly grim and sad to think about.
Ya, too much.
You think you have a right to discuss this? And if so then you have got a problem.
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Ya, too much.
You think you have a right to discuss this? And if so then you have got a problem.
It was the mccs who thought this was the reason Maddie had been taken.
The title of the thread.
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Ya, too much.
You think you have a right to discuss this? And if so then you have got a problem.
How is it worse than discussing any other scenario?
KM even discusses it in her book and describes her horror at the thought of MM's "perfect genitals" being violated. The book was published for the public to read and digest.
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This occasionally gets a bit too much for me.
It is not our place to discuss the sexual connotations whatever you all think they may be. But I can spot it a mile away. And I ain't having it.
So what else is there to say about sexual motivation? Sweet mucking else at all. So don't even think about going there.
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Does this thread have any point....a sexual motibe is a possibility...a realistic possibility. the Germans say they have strong evidence maddie is dead........we will soon see.
Most people on the forum....i think most people in general ..most police... think Maddie is dead. If thats due to a stranger its most likely sexual
The Germans say that Madeleine is dead, but unless I have missed something, SY seem strangely quiet
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The Germans say that Madeleine is dead, but unless I have missed something, SY seem strangely quiet
I have thought the exact same thing.
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I don't believe they ever will in this case.
Neither do I, cos I believe that Madeleine is almost certainly still alive.
Their purpose for abducting her, hasn't been fulfilled IMO yet
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I have thought the exact same thing.
Grange are keeping their heads down as they let the Germans run with the ball.
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It was the mccs who thought this was the reason Maddie had been taken.
The title of the thread.
Oh Dear, and I thought better of you. Any parent of a stolen child would first think this and then hope for something better, because this was always a possibility.
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How is it worse than discussing any other scenario?
KM even discusses it in her book and describes her horror at the thought of MM's "perfect genitals" being violated. The book was published for the public to read and digest.
There you go you see. You had to say that. How sick do you think you are?
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Oh Dear, and I thought better of you. Any parent of a stolen child would first think this and then hope for something better, because this was always a possibility.
Who me as in
Well the thing is here I don't think there woukd be evidence ...because I dont believe there was an abduction
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There will be no more of this because I personally am not having it.
Take it up with John if you so wish.
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This Thread should never have been started.
Agreed. I find the concept thoughtless and extremely disturbing.
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Agreed. I find the concept thoughtless and extremely disturbing.
So one horrid comment already and probably just testing the water.
I don't think that Holly did this deliberately, but sometimes Holly doesn't think.
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So one horrid comment already and probably just testing the water.
I don't think that Holly did this deliberately, but sometimes Holly doesn't think.
Holly pooh-poohs the idea of a sexually motivated abduction by CB but doesn’t dismiss the possibility that a man who has no known record of committing any crime (let alone crimes against children) took her for that reason. And all because he had the misfortune of being dragged along to visit his wife’s aunt.
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The Germans say that Madeleine is dead, but unless I have missed something, SY seem strangely quiet
I think that SY know other things and don't want their findings blown by this accusation against Christian Bruckner.
We are talking unbelievable money here from Trafficking and illicit sexual set ups. There have always been a surfeit of RED HERRINGS around … and seemingly plenty of money and ideas of ways to spread them. I wonder if Christian Wolford has been taken in ?
I wonder, have the Germans upset the apple cart, undermining SY enquiries? …. Dunno
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There you go you see. You had to say that. How sick do you think you are?
Since he was only repeating it, not as sick as the original author.
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I think that SY know other things and don't want their findings blown by this accusation against Christian Bruckner.
We are talking unbelievable money here from Trafficking and illicit sexual set ups. There have always been a surfeit of RED HERRINGS around … and seemingly plenty of money and ideas of ways to spread them. I wonder if Christian Wolford has been taken in ?
I wonder, have the Germans upset the apple cart, undermining SY enquiries? …. Dunno
Highly unlikely that he would want to be left with Ei auf seinem Gesicht...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q&feature=youtu.be&t=530 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXsXXxRek2Q&feature=youtu.be&t=530)
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Holly pooh-poohs the idea of a sexually motivated abduction by CB but doesn’t dismiss the possibility that a man who has no known record of committing any crime (let alone crimes against children) took her for that reason. And all because he had the misfortune of being dragged along to visit his wife’s aunt.
Are you sure it wasn't his sister?
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Since he was only repeating it, not as sick as the original author.
This could be true. So who was that?
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Are you sure it wasn't his sister?
Ask Holly, she knows all the ins and outs. And she knows it’s them, and she’s never wrong.
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Agreed. I find the concept thoughtless and extremely disturbing.
I didn't see the same "we can't go there" when people were discussing the sick crimes of the German sex offender.
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I didn't see the same "we can't go there" when people were discussing the sick crimes of the German sex offender.
You have missed the point. There will be No Discussion on this Forum of explicit sexual deviance from any member of this Forum.
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Since he was only repeating it, not as sick as the original author.
Grow up.
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You have missed the point. There will be No Discussion on this Forum of explicit sexual deviance from any member of this Forum.
But there has been plenty of such discussion with regards to the German sex offender.... Why wasn't that discussion deleted? I'm confused, sorry.
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But there has been plenty of such discussion with regards to the German sex offender.... Why wasn't that discussion deleted? I'm confused, sorry.
No, there hasn't been, at least not in the same way. In fact no one knows what he did to small children because it hasn't been reported in detail.
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Neither do I, cos I believe that Madeleine is almost certainly still alive.
Their purpose for abducting her, hasn't been fulfilled IMO yet
Hi Sadie, I totally agree with you. Brückner’s Austrian close friend, Michael Tatschl said that he is certain Brückner took Madeleine but that he did not murder her. Instead, he sold her.
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Hi Sadie, I totally agree with you. Brückner’s Austrian close friend, Michael Tatschl said that he is certain Brückner took Madeleine but that he did not murder her. Instead, he sold her.
Is that right?
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Hi Sadie, I totally agree with you. Brückner’s Austrian close friend, Michael Tatschl said that he is certain Brückner took Madeleine but that he did not murder her. Instead, he sold her.
Keep on hoping.
I don't know what I am thinking of with this man. I look at his photograph and I don't get any bad vibes for Madeleine.
No, I am not physic. I just sense what I feel.
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Hi Sadie, I totally agree with you. Brückner’s Austrian close friend, Michael Tatschl said that he is certain Brückner took Madeleine but that he did not murder her. Instead, he sold her.
Madeleine was worth more to him alive than dead.
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No, there hasn't been, at least not in the same way. In fact no one knows what he did to small children because it hasn't been reported in detail.
Well the only place I read details of what he did to children (or a child) was here... and there were several lurid posts about rape and torture committed, it was said, by a German sex offender.... Apologies if I missed it but I don't recall you stating that sort of discussion was off limits here.
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Well the only place I read details of what he did to children (or a child) was here... and there were several lurid posts about rape and torture committed, it was said, by a German sex offender.... Apologies if I missed it but I don't recall you stating that sort of discussion was off limits here.
There have been No Lurid Posts, mainly because I will not allow them. Me personally. And everyone knows that by now. I will not have them.
I have no control over Links to Newspaper Articles so long as the article itself is not posted on here.
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Madeleine was worth more to him alive than dead.
This is horrifying but -
Rather like a stolen work of art, the value to the purchaser becomes a burden and subsequently worthless. Maybe her value lay in death, not life.
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There have been No Lurid Posts, mainly because I will not allow them. Me personally. And everyone knows that by now. I will not have them.
I have no control over Links to Newspaper Articles so long as the article itself is not posted on here.
I can't see any reason why anyone here would need to discuss in any sort of detail what may or may not have happened to MM IF she fell into the hands of a paedophile. But I can't see either why anyone would object to a thread to discuss whether any evidence existed to suggest the disappearance was sexually motivated?
KM does in fact describe her worst fears in graphic detail in her book.
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I can't see any reason why anyone here would need to discuss in any sort of detail what may or may not have happened to MM IF she fell into the hands of a paedophile. But I can't see either why anyone would object to a thread to discuss whether any evidence existed to suggest the disappearance was sexually motivated?
KM does in fact describe her worst fears in graphic detail in her book.
We're not supposed to talk about that either- apparently %56&
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Afaik all we know for sure is that MM disappeared? A number of theories have been put forward re motive but what evidence exists to support sexual over all others?
None whatsoever. All that is known for sure is that she was last seen by independent witnesses around 5.30pm and reported missing shortly after 10pm.
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None whatsoever. All that is known for sure is that she was last seen by independent witnesses around 5.30pm and reported missing shortly after 10pm.
TBH thats like saying there is no evidence maddie is dead but we know from past experience that it is likely that she is.
If maddie was abducted by a starnger its highly likely it was a paedophile
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what i find very telling about sceptics bevaiour is their dismissal of the possibility of strong evidence against Breukner.
If the PJ anounced tomorrow that they had strong evidence that the parents were involvedI would not dismiss it and be very interested to see what it was.
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There may be strong evidence against Brueckner, but the Germans don't seem to be in any hurry to put it to the test.
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There may be strong evidence against Brueckner, but the Germans don't seem to be in any hurry to put it to the test.
They have the rest of the year at least to put together their case - he isn't going anywhere and as they're certain Madeleine is dead, they can take their time to construct a case that will (hopefully) stick. They don't have to run it by you first either.
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TBH thats like saying there is no evidence maddie is dead but we know from past experience that it is likely that she is.
If maddie was abducted by a starnger its highly likely it was a paedophile
What if it wasn't a stranger then what.
This has been my point for long enough..there is no proof Maddie was ever abducted.
Any re-investigation should be started from the beginning not halfway through.
IMO it has always seemed half-hearted as if they have just plodded on with no real motivation just going through the motions.
The PJ started it... ended with shelving the case. but even now their suspects were not cleared of any involvement.
However many prime suspects have there been.
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They have the rest of the year at least to put together their case - he isn't going anywhere and as they're certain Madeleine is dead, they can take their time to construct a case that will (hopefully) stick. They don't have to run it by you first either.
As requested, comment duly ignored
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What if it wasn't a stranger then what.
This has been my point for long enough..there is no proof Maddie was ever abducted.
Any re-investigation should be started from the beginning not halfway through.
IMO it has always seemed half-hearted as if they have just plodded on with no real motivation just going through the motions.
The PJ started it... ended with shelving the case. but even now their suspects were not cleared of any involvement.
However many prime suspects have there been.
This is the first time it's been reported that the investigators have strong evidence against the suspect
There is evidence Maddie was abducted
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What if it wasn't a stranger then what.
This has been my point for long enough..there is no proof Maddie was ever abducted.
Any re-investigation should be started from the beginning not halfway through.
IMO it has always seemed half-hearted as if they have just plodded on with no real motivation just going through the motions.
The PJ started it... ended with shelving the case. but even now their suspects were not cleared of any involvement.
However many prime suspects have there been.
I think it's becoming clear that the PJ got a lot wrong and it's only due to SYs involvement that the case may be solved. That will be very hard for the PJ...and all their supporters...to take
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This is the first time it's been reported that the investigators have strong evidence against the suspect
There is evidence Maddie was abducted
It's difficult to say really because of the different legal processes and terminology used over different jurisdictions.
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It's difficult to say really because of the different legal processes and terminology used over different jurisdictions.
No it isn't. Tell me another instance in this case where those words have been officially used..or anything like them
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As requested, comment duly ignored
Except you didn't @)(++(*
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This is the first time it's been reported that the investigators have strong evidence against the suspect
There is evidence Maddie was abducted
No there isn't ...no evidence apart she disappeared from there.
This has been going on now for six weeks, the only one excited it seems is you.
Not the mccs, not CM, not SY, not OG, not PJ,. just you.
Thes was the Headline six weeks ago.
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect
A 43-year-old German man who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.
Then just day in day out the same rubbish printed the only thing concreate is the rubbish printed
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No there isn't ...no evidence apart she disappeared from there.
This has been going on now for six weeks, the only one excited it seems is you.
Not the mccs, not CM, not SY, not OG, not PJ,. just you.
Thes was the Headline six weeks ago.
Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect
A 43-year-old German man who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.
Then just day in day out the same rubbish printed the only thing concreate is the rubbish printed
You are in denial. This could well be a major breakthrough in a case that looked like it would never be solved. The investigation has been going on a lot longer than six weeks.
Your problem is that if Breukner is guilty...you've been barking up the wrong tree for thirteen years....I can see why you are so upset
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You are in denial. This could well be a major breakthrough in a case that looked like it would never be solved. The investigation has been going on a lot longer than six weeks.
Your problem is that if Breukner is guilty...you've been barking up the wrong tree for thirteen years....I can see why you are so upset
Not the least upset or in denial just surprised how gullible you are in the nicest possible way. D
With you it has to be CB at any cost it seems.
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Not the least upset or in denial just surprised how gullible you are in the nicest possible way. D
With you it has to be CB at any cost it seems.
Gullible in what way....you think that because you believe the rubbish amaral spouts about the dogs and DNA. what he has claimed ahs been proven to be rubbish.
SY and the Germans feel CB is a likely candidate.....I'm interested in this evidence the Germans have.
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No it isn't. Tell me another instance in this case where those words have been officially used..or anything like them
On the BKA website CB is referred to as a 'suspect' :
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
The fact HCW used other words during a live interview probably shows he's a loose canon! His body language and facial expressions during the interview with the presenter from Oz seem to show someone who was relishing taking centre stage.
Back to the word used on the BKA and MET websites ie 'suspect' I don't see any difference between PJ declaring the Mc's and RM arguidos.
HCW might be Germany's equivalent of GA.
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On the BKA website CB is referred to as a 'suspect' :
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
The fact HCW used other words during a live interview probably shows he's a loose canon! His body language and facial expressions during the interview with the presenter from Oz seem to show someone who was relishing taking centre stage.
Back to the word used on the BKA and MET websites ie 'suspect' I don't see any difference between PJ declaring the Mc's and RM arguidos.
HCW might be Germany's equivalent of GA.
total, total, denial
You dont see any difference between the McCanns as suspects and Breukner...total denial. i wonder just how long your denial will carry on.
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On the BKA website CB is referred to as a 'suspect' :
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11633.msg601327#msg601327
The fact HCW used other words during a live interview probably shows he's a loose canon! His body language and facial expressions during the interview with the presenter from Oz seem to show someone who was relishing taking centre stage.
Back to the word used on the BKA and MET websites ie 'suspect' I don't see any difference between PJ declaring the Mc's and RM arguidos.
HCW might be Germany's equivalent of GA.
HCW has certainly been guilty of encouraging the rumours imo.
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IMO German police probably have illegally obtained evidence. They had him followed for a long while.
If he was as arrogant towards them as he was towards the judge in Portugal he must have angered the inspectors and the prosecutor.
He probably thought they cannot do anything to him..
And voila....
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Gullible in what way....you think that because you believe the rubbish amaral spouts about the dogs and DNA. what he has claimed ahs been proven to be rubbish.
SY and the Germans feel CB is a likely candidate.....I'm interested in this evidence the Germans have.
Davel I think we are all interested in what evidence the Germans and PJ have. but at this point he is just a suspect. and if the crime against MBM was sexually motivated, He would be a point of interest for certain.
I would be horrified if MBM was found and it was shown she was tortured before death. I don't even want to think about that.
I don't want to think that she has been sold on by this suspect as a sex slave/white bride in a far away land.
I don't want to think about her being assaulted /killed by parents or others-because there is the elephant in the room which will be seen and discussed at some point. I hope it is very soon so that we can have justice for Madeleine.
I found it quite disturbing for a mother to discuss her daughters genitals in detail in a book. I would like to know the reason for that!
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I can't see any reason why anyone here would need to discuss in any sort of detail what may or may not have happened to MM IF she fell into the hands of a paedophile. But I can't see either why anyone would object to a thread to discuss whether any evidence existed to suggest the disappearance was sexually motivated?
KM does in fact describe her worst fears in graphic detail in her book.
Well done you for not getting your upsetting to some post removed. I question the reason for that being of interest to anyone who would read the book. Including her Twins!
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total, total, denial
You dont see any difference between the McCanns as suspects and Breukner...total denial. i wonder just how long your denial will carry on.
You said its the first time investigators have reported they have strong evidence. Investigators have said no such thing. HCW is not an investigator he's the spokesperson for the public prosecutor's office. The BKA and MET are far more circumspect and for good reason in that CB is not in any way involved with MM's disappearance.
The Mc's were not suspects they were aguidos. I didn't single them out I included RM who had the house he shared with his mother searched and parts dug up. So yes we've been here before.
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You said its the first time investigators have reported they have strong evidence. Investigators have said no such thing. HCW is not an investigator he's the spokesperson for the public prosecutor's office. The BKA and MET are far more circumspect and for good reason in that CB is not in any way involved with MM's disappearance.
The Mc's were not suspects they were aguidos. I didn't single them out I included RM who had the house he shared with his mother searched and parts dug up. So yes we've been here before.
Oh right so HCW is a maverick who just makes stuff up as he goes along is he? The BKA don’t have a thing but HCW decided on a whim to become famous and make outrageously false claims to the media. I’m surprised he wasn’t sacked a month ago in that case!
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Oh right so HCW is a maverick who just makes stuff up as he goes along is he? The BKA don’t have a thing but HCW decided on a whim to become famous and make outrageously false claims to the media. I’m surprised he wasn’t sacked a month ago in that case!
I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.
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I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.
You have no evidence HCW is a loose cannon. I think you are just showing what a closed mind you have as you are trying to make your theory fit. So where is your evidence that HCW is a loose cannon.
It might be alot more sensible to wait a little longer and see what happens.
If the PJ announced they had strong evidence the MCcanns are involved i would be interested to hear it....i wouldnt just dismiss it out of hand. that shows an open mind as opposed to a closed mind
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I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.
You’ve worked with David Starkey? What lies did he make up wrt to the organisation he represents?
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I'm sure we've all worked with individuals who are loose canons and shoot from the hip eg David Starkey.
And we've all worked with people who are superb at their job...
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Gullible in what way....you think that because you believe the rubbish amaral spouts about the dogs and DNA. what he has claimed ahs been proven to be rubbish.
SY and the Germans feel CB is a likely candidate.....I'm interested in this evidence the Germans have.
But, Davel, have SY actually said that CB is a likely candidate ? SY seem to have been remarkably quiet about him and the whole thing IMO
That is unless I have missed something, then I stand corrected.
I feel that here is a great BIG RED HERRING somewhere in this mix. I cant exactly put my finger on what it is, but I feel disinformatioin abounds. My antennae keep twitching.. Something is wrong.
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But, Davel, have SY actually said that CB is a likely candidate ? SY seem to have been remarkably quiet about him and the whole thing IMO
That is unless I have missed something, then I stand corrected.
I feel that here is a great BIG RED HERRING somewhere in this mix. I cant exactly put my finger on what it is, but I feel disinformatioin abounds. My antennae keep twitching.. Something is wrong.
My brain has gone numb and without a single logical thought, so I might be inclined to agree with you.
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But, Davel, have SY actually said that CB is a likely candidate ? SY seem to have been remarkably quiet about him and the whole thing IMO
That is unless I have missed something, then I stand corrected.
I feel that here is a great BIG RED HERRING somewhere in this mix. I cant exactly put my finger on what it is, but I feel disinformatioin abounds. My antennae keep twitching.. Something is wrong.
I think you are totally wrong about SY and no red herrigs. Breukner is the suspect SY have been working on too from what has been said. Until the Germans share their evidence with SY that Maddie is dead then SY will continue to treat it as a missing persons enquiry.
Martin Brunt said they actually did a report a year ago on Breukner but didnt broadcast it for legal reasons
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You said its the first time investigators have reported they have strong evidence. Investigators have said no such thing. HCW is not an investigator he's the spokesperson for the public prosecutor's office. The BKA and MET are far more circumspect and for good reason in that CB is not in any way involved with MM's disappearance.
The Mc's were not suspects they were aguidos. I didn't single them out I included RM who had the house he shared with his mother searched and parts dug up. So yes we've been here before.
What is HCWs background...do you know. He has said strong/concrete evidence so I cannot imagine he has made that up. No we haven't been here before.
The McCCanns were suspects...are you denying that now...what do you think arguido status means
IMO you simply cannot face the fact that Breukner is a strong candidate for Maddies disappearance because it doesnt fit with your theory.
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Erster Staatsanwalt (First Prosecutor) H.C. Wolters is very well-qualified for the job, not an incompetent Mr. Bean manque which Holly would like everyone to believe!...
That involves reading files, instructing the police to conduct witness interviews or house searches, closing proceedings or writing indictments. The public prosecutor presents the final plea for the prosecution at the end of a court case.
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html (https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html)
https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany (https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany)
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Erster Staatsanwalt (First Prosecutor) H.C. Wolters is very well-qualified for the job, not an incompetent Mr. Bean manque which Holly would like everyone to believe!...
That involves reading files, instructing the police to conduct witness interviews or house searches, closing proceedings or writing indictments. The public prosecutor presents the final plea for the prosecution at the end of a court case.
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html (https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html)
https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany (https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany)
Very similar to Portugal.
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You have no evidence HCW is a loose cannon. I think you are just showing what a closed mind you have as you are trying to make your theory fit. So where is your evidence that HCW is a loose cannon.
It might be alot more sensible to wait a little longer and see what happens.
If the PJ announced they had strong evidence the MCcanns are involved i would be interested to hear it....i wouldnt just dismiss it out of hand. that shows an open mind as opposed to a closed mind
It's obvious the evidence isn't "strong":
- MET retaining an open mind re CB's involvement
- MET still treating as a missing person
- Appeals for info re vehicles and tel calls
- CB not questioned or charged
I don't need to attempt to shoehorn my theory into something that doesn't fit with the known facts. Unlike CB my suspects fit puuuurrrrrfectly:
- Observed MM on Sun 29th Apr @ 5a
- Observed MM on Thu 3rd May @ 5a
- Learned of Mc's MO thru the person they were visiting: MM home alone, Mc's @ TB, unsecured patio door, crying incident
- Learned of recent burglary and used knowledge to stage window/shutter to throw everyone
- Able to plan and execute with military precision
- Possibly 2 involved: 1 - lookout, 1 - execute
- Tracker dogs didn't scent outside immediate vicinity suggesting car was involved - suspects non-descript hire car
- Demonstrates cunning by offering self as witness ostensibly to assist with the investigation
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It's obvious the evidence isn't "strong":
- MET retaining an open mind re CB's involvement
- MET still treating as a missing person
- Appeals for info re vehicles and tel calls
- CB not questioned or charged
I don't need to attempt to shoehorn my theory into something that doesn't fit with the known facts. Unlike CB my suspects fit puuuurrrrrfectly:
- Observed MM on Sun 29th Apr @ 5a
- Observed MM on Thu 3rd May @ 5a
- Learned of Mc's MO thru the person they were visiting: MM home alone, Mc's @ TB, unsecured patio door, crying incident
- Learned of recent burglary and used knowledge to stage window/shutter to throw everyone
- Able to plan and execute with military precision
- Possibly 2 involved: 1 - lookout, 1 - execute
- Tracker dogs didn't scent outside immediate vicinity suggesting car was involved - suspects non-descript hire car
- Demonstrates cunning by offering self as witness ostensibly to assist with the investigation
Quite frankly if I were the person at the centre of your fantasy and knew about the allegations being made about me ... I would be consulting lawyers to see if you were worth suing.
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You’ve worked with David Starkey? What lies did he make up wrt to the organisation he represents?
Thankfully I haven't had to work with DS who imo epitomises the word 'pompous'. I didn't say he lied, I said he's a loose cannon.
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Quite frankly if I were the person at the centre of your fantasy and knew about the allegations being made about me ... I would be consulting lawyers to see if you were worth suing.
I think you will find a person has to be named to bring a defamation claim which I expect CB's defence team will do at some point in time.
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Quite frankly if I were the person at the centre of your fantasy and knew about the allegations being made about me ... I would be consulting lawyers to see if you were worth suing.
Don't worry, I've heard on the grapevine they've been tipped off to take a look at this forum. Shouldn't be long now... 8(0(*
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I think you will find a person has to be named to bring a defamation claim which I expect CB's defence team will do at some point in time.
Do they really? *innocent face*
How is it we all know who you are referring to if you haven't identified them?
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Erster Staatsanwalt (First Prosecutor) H.C. Wolters is very well-qualified for the job, not an incompetent Mr. Bean manque which Holly would like everyone to believe!...
That involves reading files, instructing the police to conduct witness interviews or house searches, closing proceedings or writing indictments. The public prosecutor presents the final plea for the prosecution at the end of a court case.
https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html (https://staatsanwaltschaft-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/pressekontakte/pressekontakte-170423.html)
https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany (https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/how-public-prosecutors-work-in-germany)
Thanks interesting but the above relates to crimes committed in Germany not cases involving different jurisdictions.
Is there any evidence PJ and/MET has released all case related material to HCW?
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Don't worry, I've heard on the grapevine they've been tipped off to take a look at this forum. Shouldn't be long now... 8(0(*
It was you, wasn't it?
WHERE IS SHE CAROLE?
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It's obvious the evidence isn't "strong":
- MET retaining an open mind re CB's involvement
- MET still treating as a missing person
- Appeals for info re vehicles and tel calls
- CB not questioned or charged
I don't need to attempt to shoehorn my theory into something that doesn't fit with the known facts. Unlike CB my suspects fit puuuurrrrrfectly:
- Observed MM on Sun 29th Apr @ 5a
- Observed MM on Thu 3rd May @ 5a
- Learned of Mc's MO thru the person they were visiting: MM home alone, Mc's @ TB, unsecured patio door, crying incident
- Learned of recent burglary and used knowledge to stage window/shutter to throw everyone
- Able to plan and execute with military precision
- Possibly 2 involved: 1 - lookout, 1 - execute
- Tracker dogs didn't scent outside immediate vicinity suggesting car was involved - suspects non-descript hire car
- Demonstrates cunning by offering self as witness ostensibly to assist with the investigation
all your opinion....and totally wrong imo...not just a loose cannon but one rolling out of control down a steep hill
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It was you, wasn't it?
WHERE IS SHE CAROLE?
It is me, and I didn't do it. My solicitors have been put on standby.
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It is me, and I didn't do it. My solicitors have been put on standby.
My psychotherapist has blocked out Wednesday afternoon.
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My psychotherapist has blocked out Wednesday afternoon.
About time too - hopefully she'll put you right.
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About time too - hopefully she'll put you right.
It's a journey and not something one can contend with in a single afternoon.
CAROLE - WHY DID YOU DO IT?
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It's obvious the evidence isn't "strong":
- MET retaining an open mind re CB's involvement
- MET still treating as a missing person
- Appeals for info re vehicles and tel calls
- CB not questioned or charged
I don't need to attempt to shoehorn my theory into something that doesn't fit with the known facts. Unlike CB my suspects fit puuuurrrrrfectly:
- Observed MM on Sun 29th Apr @ 5a
- Observed MM on Thu 3rd May @ 5a
- Learned of Mc's MO thru the person they were visiting: MM home alone, Mc's @ TB, unsecured patio door, crying incident
- Learned of recent burglary and used knowledge to stage window/shutter to throw everyone
- Able to plan and execute with military precision
- Possibly 2 involved: 1 - lookout, 1 - execute
- Tracker dogs didn't scent outside immediate vicinity suggesting car was involved - suspects non-descript hire car
- Demonstrates cunning by offering self as witness ostensibly to assist with the investigation
Here is another piece to your puzzle which you most probably will disregard: Since Brückner is known to have befriended much older women, including walking their dogs and cleaning their homes, perhaps Pamela Fenn’s friend Edna Glyn whom she called on the night of the crying incident, was his source of information?
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It's a journey and not something one can contend with in a single afternoon.
CAROLE - WHY DID YOU DO IT?
to give Holly something to get her teeth into when she began to lose interest in freeing Jeremy Bamber.
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to give Holly something to get her teeth into when she began to lose interest in freeing Jeremy Bamber.
You had me at Holly getting her teeth in to something...............
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Here is another piece to your puzzle which you most probably will disregard: Since Brückner is known to have befriended much older women, including walking their dogs and cleaning their homes, perhaps Pamela Fenn’s friend Edna Glyn whom she called on the night of the crying incident, was his source of information?
That's possible. I did post months back that the perp may have gleaned info from either PF or EG. But it doesn't explain my suspect's dodgy wit stat and other bits I've discovered elsewhere.
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That's possible. I did post months back that the perp may have gleaned info from either PF or EG. But it doesn't explain my suspect's dodgy wit stat and other bits I've discovered elsewhere.
What is keeping/preventing you from sharing it on this platform?
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What is keeping/preventing you from sharing it on this platform?
Possibly those pesky libel laws.
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Possibly those pesky libel laws.
It’s too late to be worrying about them. May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. 8(>((