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News and current affairs => A look at the news stories currently making the headlines. => Topic started by: Wonderfulspam on April 21, 2021, 03:12:13 PM
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Body camera footage from other officers released Wednesday in the fatal police shooting of Ma’Khia Bryant, a Black teenager who charged at two people with a knife, showed a chaotic scene that happened within minutes of the verdict in George Floyd’s killing and ignited outrage by many over the continued use of lethal force by police in Columbus and the U.S.
https://apnews.com/article/columbus-ohio-police-shooting-girl-bd579b69e19abf5a93722986ee78c957
Police Bodycam showing Fatal Shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant.
https://youtu.be/Fpnibt9RQ2U?t=397
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Ambulance chasing Civil Rights Attorney Benjamin Crump.
As we breathed a collective sigh of relief today, a community in Columbus felt the sting of another police shooting as @ColumbusPolice killed an unarmed 15yo Black girl named Makiyah Bryant. Another child lost! Another hashtag. ✊#JusticeForMakiyahBryant
That Knife you saw the young lady threatening to stab another woman with, you imagined it. She was in fact unarmed.
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And Activist Sean King, AKA Talcum X has said.....
😢This is Ma’Khia Bryant.
A child.
She was 16, actually.
And like all kids her age, she liked making hair care videos showing off her routine.
Trust me - with 4 daughters I see them all the time.
And today police shot and killed her.
I don’t care what happened.
Had her life mattered to the police, they would’ve found a way to see to that she helped instead of harmed.
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He's literally willing to ignore the knife in her hand directed at another human being, the black woman she was about to stab, her black life doesn't matter. Only her assailants.
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Shaun King Facebook.
Lord give us strength.
16 year old Ma’Khia Bryant called the police in Columbus, Ohio for help. Neighbors said she had a knife because she was being assaulted herself.
This man right here rolled up and neighbors said he started shooting her almost instantly.
This literally happened as the verdict was going down.
You’d be hard pressed to EVER find a white girl this age killed by the police.
I am heartbroken. I have a baby this age. It’s too much. It’s just too much.
https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/posts/308863383936242
What Shaun King fails to mention is that even if Ma’Khia Bryant had armed herself for self defence, she was not acting in defence when going to stab the other woman. She was the aggressor. It's very clear from the video.
Here is the video in slow motion for anyone who is in any doubt.
https://youtu.be/Fpnibt9RQ2U?t=378
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And Activist Sean King, AKA Talcum X has said.....
This is Ma’Khia Bryant.
A child.
She was 16, actually.
And like all kids her age, she liked making hair care videos showing off her routine.
Trust me - with 4 daughters I see them all the time.
And today police shot and killed her.
I don’t care what happened.
Had her life mattered to the police, they would’ve found a way to see to that she helped instead of harmed.
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He's literally willing to ignore the knife in her hand directed at another human being, the black woman she was about to stab, her black life doesn't matter. Only her assailants.
The officer did right to shoot her. Another perfect angel nutter with a deadly weapon. It's the same story everywhere in the US, the poor criminals are getting the better press.
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Basketball Star & BLM supporter LeBron James has deleted a tweet in which he posted a picture of the officer who shot Ma’Khia Bryant along with the words 'You're Next' an egg timer & the hashtag #accountability.
He has made no apology for his deleted tweet instead preferring these excuses...
"ANGER does any of us any good and that includes myself! Gathering all the facts and educating does though! My anger still is here for what happened that lil girl. My sympathy for her family and may justice prevail! 🙏🏾✊🏾🤎👑"
"I’m so damn tired of seeing Black people killed by police. I took the tweet down because its being used to create more hate -This isn’t about one officer. it’s about the entire system and they always use our words to create more racism. I am so desperate for more ACCOUNTABILITY"
https://www.dailywire.com/news/lebron-responds-after-his-youre-next-tweet-with-pic-of-cop-who-saved-girl-does-not-apologize?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR0ztsVaBg50gUpFE3GH8wDFmgyk78EjesSsvGPmVxWkp7Tc1HqMzjOWnv8
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I thought it was good shooting....
HIGHLY TRAINED Ma’Khia Bryant shooting latest updates – Cop Nicholas Reardon who shot black girl, 16, is military-trained marksmen
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14718880/makhia-bryant-shooting-latest-updates-knife-nicholas-reardon/
At a vigil held at Ohio State University on Wednesday, Katlyn Anderson told WCMH that the injustices are so common, communities are becoming numb to violence.
"It's hard because I’m a black girl myself and it’s just hard seeing ... our people are dying for no reason,” she said. “It’s unjust. It’s not fair.”
(Another person who watched the video & saw an innocent unarmed black girl, not attempting to stab someone)
Roaya Hijazi, a senior at OSU who organized a protest on Wednesday, said there is "no excuse" for killing Bryant, "no matter how you spin it."
"There's absolutely no way to any of us to excuse it and we want Ohio State to stop legitimizing the Columbus Police Department."
(And even if she was going to stab someone it is not an excuse to shoot her, apparently)
I'm glad these idiots aren't cops.
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She only wanted to stab someone, she didn't deserve to die 8()(((@#
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She only wanted to stab someone, she didn't deserve to die 8()(((@#
I am in danger of becoming a bit horrid so I think I had better back off and leave it to you.
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She only wanted to stab someone, she didn't deserve to die 8()(((@#
For the moment, it's not clear to me whether she was attacking or trying to defend herself.
Whichever version turns out to be correct, I don't see why the officer shot to kill. She could have been stopped by shooting her somewhere that wouldn't be lethal. I also don't understand why tasers aren't used in preference to guns, when the alternative is available and appropriate.
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For the moment, it's not clear to me whether she was attacking or trying to defend herself.
Whichever version turns out to be correct, I don't see why the officer shot to kill. She could have been stopped by shooting her somewhere that wouldn't be lethal. I also don't understand why tasers aren't used in preference to guns, when the alternative is available and appropriate.
Get lost with your defending herself nonsense.
She was attempting to stab a woman who was recoiling in defence, she was being the aggressor.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/22/09/42051346-9498137-A_slowed_down_version_of_the_video_from_the_body_camera_of_the_o-a-13_1619079436326.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/21/20/42051386-9496957-image-m-28_1619033780171.jpg)
I'm glad the officer was there to save that woman's life.
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But, but, he should have used a Taser!!
Tasers are unreliable up to 40% of the time.
You only get one shot.
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In 258 cases over three years, a Taser failed to subdue someone who was then shot and killed by police.
In 106 of them, the suspect became more violent after receiving the electrical shock, according to a review of case files and media reports, suggesting the Taser may have made a bad situation worse.
For the weapon to work, a lot has to go right.
First, an officer must hit the target. Tasers simultaneously shoot two barbed darts attached to thin, electrified wires.
Both darts have to hit the target to deliver a debilitating jolt of electricity. Each dart must strike within an inch or so of the skin — or better yet, penetrate it — to create a complete electrical circuit. If someone is wearing a heavy coat or loose clothing, the electricity may not arc into the body enough to lock up muscles.
Where the darts hit matters, too. They must be at least a foot apart from each other when they hit someone for the electricity to flow through enough muscle to reliably incapacitate the person.
https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/05/09/when-tasers-fail
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But, but, he should have used a Taser!!
Tasers are unreliable up to 40% of the time.
You only get one shot.
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In 258 cases over three years, a Taser failed to subdue someone who was then shot and killed by police.
In 106 of them, the suspect became more violent after receiving the electrical shock, according to a review of case files and media reports, suggesting the Taser may have made a bad situation worse.
For the weapon to work, a lot has to go right.
First, an officer must hit the target. Tasers simultaneously shoot two barbed darts attached to thin, electrified wires.
Both darts have to hit the target to deliver a debilitating jolt of electricity. Each dart must strike within an inch or so of the skin — or better yet, penetrate it — to create a complete electrical circuit. If someone is wearing a heavy coat or loose clothing, the electricity may not arc into the body enough to lock up muscles.
Where the darts hit matters, too. They must be at least a foot apart from each other when they hit someone for the electricity to flow through enough muscle to reliably incapacitate the person.
https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/05/09/when-tasers-fail
Interesting. Thanks.
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Instead of doing the sensible thing, aiming for the largest target (that being the fat girls body), & shooting until the threat has stopped, i.e. until she fell & was no longer lunging with a knife at somebody......he should have taken pot shots at her legs in hope of hitting her & her dropping the knife, or maybe shot the knife out of her hand like what they do in the movies.
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Liberal 'comedienne' Kathy Griffin believes knife fights are just a part of growing up in any school or neighbourhood. I'd love to believe as a comic she was joking but she isn't even that funny.
I'm not sure what neighbourhood Griffin grew up in or school she went to but they sound dangerous.
Kathy Griffin @kathygriffin. 21 Apr
WARNING. How in the hell does this police officer think it’s a good idea to fire shots blindly into a group of teenagers having a fight. Yes one of them has a knife. Oh, that never happened in your school or neighbourhood? She didn’t deserve to die. 16 years old. #makhiabryant
https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1384714413811277828
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CNN's Don Lemon & Chris Cuomo actually agree the shooting was justified!!!
“We have to be fair about what happens when police arrive at scenes,” Lemon said, as reported by Newsbusters. “It is tragic that it’s a 16-year-old girl. Just as it is tragic that it’s a 13-year-old in Chicago. When police are chasing people, they don’t know how old they are. And they don’t run and say, ‘How old are you?’ ‘Oh, I’m 13.’ You don’t know that. Or, ‘I’m 16.'”
“When they roll up on the scene, they see people tussling around. Someone has a knife,” he continued. “And their job is to protect and serve. Every life on that scene. And if they see someone who is in the process of taking a life, what is that decision, what decision do they have to make?”
To those who would say the officer should have used a taser, both Lemon and Cuomo agreed that a taser would likely not have worked at that distance and in that amount of time.
“Tasers, they don’t always connect. So, you’ve got to get two prongs or what have you, and it has to connect to whatever,” said Lemon. “I see it, if the woman in the pink was my sister, niece, wife, whatever, you have to make a decision. Is one life on that scene more valuable than another? And if someone is trying to take a life, on that scene, do you protect the life of the person trying to take the life, or do you protect the life of the person who’s life is in imminent danger at that point?”
Cuomo and Lemon expressed sympathy for the officer and that he must live with the fact that he killed a 16-year-old girl to protect someone else.
“I feel for the officer. You can hear it in his voice,” said Cuomo. “When he said – the man on the side was saying, ‘You shot my baby, you shot my baby.’ And he said, ‘She had a knife. She went right at her.’ You know, this is something that he’s going to have to live with also.”
Cuomo concluded that police are essential and that they do have to protect people at certain times.
“The analysis is only of the instant circumstances. I’m saying, if you want to have this contextual conversation that people seem to want to have about what else we can do, people fight with knives all the time, do we really need cops?” concluded Cuomo. “The answer is no, learn how to control your kids, and don’t be so violent and we won’t need cops. But that’s not our reality. And cops get called to our lives all the time for the worst situations.”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-don-lemon-chris-cuomo-agree-ohio-police-officer-had-to-shoot-makiah-bryant?
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Why multiple shots when one usually does the job?
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Why multiple shots when one usually does the job?
They are trained to shoot, not to kill, but to stop & shoot until the threat is over.
The threat wasn't over until she had dropped the knife.
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Why police shoot so many times to bring down a suspect
A 2019 study of the Dallas Police Department found that in more than 130 shootings, officers struck their targets 35% of the time.
Most of their shots were misses.
And a 2006 analysis, which examined a number of major metropolitan police department shootings throughout the late '80s and early '90s, found that hit rates rarely exceeded 50%. Some departments, including the New York Police Department in 1990, hit only about 23% of targets.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/us/why-police-shoot-so-many-rounds-trnd/index.html
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'No opportunity' to de-escalate: Use-of-force experts say Columbus officer obeyed training in shooting Ma'Khia Bryant
An Ohio criminal-justice professor who studies the fatal use of force by law-enforcement officers didn't hesitate to render an opinion after watching body-camera video of a Columbus police officer fatally shooting a 16-year-old girl Tuesday afternoon on the city's Southeast Side.
"My first impression is that the officer was legally justified in using deadly force," said Philip Stinson, a Bowling Green State University professor who has compiled nationwide statistics on fatal shootings that have led to criminal charges against officers.
"It's a terribly tragic situation, and my heart goes out to the girl and her family and friends," he told The Dispatch Wednesday. "But from looking at the video, it appears to me that a reasonable police officer would have had a reasonable apprehension of an imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death being imposed against an officer or someone else. That's the legal standard."
James Scanlon, a retired Columbus Division of Police SWAT officer who spent 33 years with the division, has since trained officers, and served as an expert witness at trials in use-of-force cases, agreed with Stinson's assessment of the video.
"An officer is justified in using deadly force if his life or the life of someone else is at risk," Scanlon said Wednesday. "Few would argue that there weren't at least two lives there that were at serious risk."
In this case, Scanlon said, Reardon wasn't trying to protect himself, "but to save the life of someone he doesn't even know... It's a shame that no one has recognized that that officer, in all likelihood, saved one or more lives."
U.S. Supreme Court's Graham vs. Connor decision
The legal standard by which an officer's use of force must be measured was established by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Graham vs. Connor decision.
The ruling, issued in 1989, gives police officers significant leeway in the use of deadly force when they perceive that a person poses an an imminent threat to officers or others, and limits the second-guessing of that decision.
The ruling requires that an officer's actions be "judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."
Any evaluation of an officer's actions must include "allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments – in circumstances that are tense, uncertain and rapidly evolving," the court found.
Stinson said Tuesday's shooting is "a good reminder that officers sometimes have to make split-second, life-or-death decisions in violent street encounters... These situations can escalate in a matter of milliseconds, as we saw here."
https://eu.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/22/columbus-police-shooting-makhia-bryant-appears-lawful/7318300002/
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Given what has happened recently I guarantee that most US police officers will think twice before shooting anyone now unless their OWN lives are threatened. Because at the end of the day, if they don't shoot someone they get to go home and get on with their lives.
I think the US public are going to be the losers in all of this.
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Given what has happened recently I guarantee that most US police officers will think twice before shooting anyone now unless their OWN lives are threatened. Because at the end of the day, if they don't shoot someone they get to go home and get on with their lives.
I think the US public are going to be the losers in all of this.
This happened to a female Chicago officer a few years ago, she took a severe beating from a suspect & was too afraid to use her firearm in defence.
Here we go....
Chicago police officer says she feared using gun while being beaten
"She thought she was going to die. She knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to, because she didn't want her family or the department to have to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news," Supt. Johnson said.
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-officer-afraid-to-use-gun-beaten-eddie-johnson/1543015/
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This happened to a female Chicago officer a few years ago, she took a severe beating from a suspect & was too afraid to use her firearm in defence.
Here we go....
Chicago police officer says she feared using gun while being beaten
"She thought she was going to die. She knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to, because she didn't want her family or the department to have to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news," Supt. Johnson said.
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-officer-afraid-to-use-gun-beaten-eddie-johnson/1543015/
A good find WS. A police officer isn't paid enough to risk it all for some lowlife.
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It was obvious to me yesterday that Police will stop protecting the public from dangerous criminals and that more lives will be lost.
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The Officer would have been criticised had he not intervened in that moment & the sweet, peace loving, only a kid Ma’khia had managed to sink the shank into the pink ladies jugular.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/22/09/42051346-9498137-A_slowed_down_version_of_the_video_from_the_body_camera_of_the_o-a-13_1619079436326.jpg)
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The Officer would have been criticised had he not intervened in that moment & the sweet, peace loving, only a kid Ma’khia had managed to sink the shank into the pink ladies jugular.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/22/09/42051346-9498137-A_slowed_down_version_of_the_video_from_the_body_camera_of_the_o-a-13_1619079436326.jpg)
They won't be able to criticise The Police for failing to protect them after all this carry on.
These people, black or white, never seem to think these things through.
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Kehlani and Beyoncé react to fatal shooting of Ma’Khia Bryant
“There is no ‘changing’ the police”, said Kehlani in an Instagram post. “There is no adjusting a murderous system. The only answer has always been and will ALWAYS be to ABOLISH the police.”
“When the response to abolishment was, ‘well who are you going to call now?’ HERES YOUR ANSWER. Ma’Khia Bryant called for help. Breonna Taylor, the police were called for help. ACAB. ABOLISH THE f..kING POLICE. Say her name.”
https://crackmagazine.net/2021/04/kehlani-and-beyonce-react-to-fatal-shooting-of-makhia-bryant/
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Another celebrity ignoring the fact that even if Ma’Khia Bryant did call the police initially, at the moment the officer attended the scene she was the one acting aggressively, chasing down two women, slashing at one as she fell to the ground & rushing another with a knife directed at her throat.
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Gabrielle Union, some other vapid celebrity I've never heard of say's "There is no excuse" for the shooting of Ma’khia Bryant.
Preferring instead to imagine that blissful, police free utopia where civilians are free to solve any disagreements using steak knives.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2021/04/21/columbus-police-shooting-celebrities-react-makhia-bryant-death/7317206002/
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I am in danger of becoming a bit horrid so I think I had better back off and leave it to you.
I don't feel a moments shame for criticising the deceased knife wielder, nor those celebrities of status who are excusing the girls aggressive & life threatening behaviour just because she was under 18 & black.
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Some rationality from a neighbour....
Ma’Khia Bryant’s neighbor insists police had no choice but to shoot
“I believe in truth and facts. Video doesn’t lie,” he said. “She was in full attack mode.”
The girl “was literally aiming a knife at this young lady,” Graham said of the female in pink.
“She needed to be stopped at that point. That young lady’s life was at stake.”
Although another neighbour thinks...
“He should have told her to put down the knife,”
As if she would have dropped the knife & ended her rampage on command had the cop just said 'drop it'.
The officer should have waited, just in case she wasn't really going to stab that women she appeared to be intent on stabbing.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/makhia-bryants-neighbor-video-suggests-cop-had-to-shoot/
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Another anti-police Democrat.
Ohio’s senior senator, Sherrod Brown.
“While the verdict was being read in the Derek Chauvin trial, Columbus police shot and killed a sixteen-year-old girl,” Senator Brown tweeted. “Her name was Ma’Khia Bryant. She should be alive right now.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/makhia-bryant-tiktok-bodycam-video-b1835444.html#comments-area
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There are of course cases where the use of force is necessary. The issue seems to be how much force in different situations.
However, in the case of the stabbing girl, a shot in her fairly ample bum would probably not have killed her. At the same time, if he'd hesitated, the other girl could have been killed.
I read the Minnesota is going to go through a thorough review of practices, training, recruitment, etc. Seems a sensible idea.
I wonder if recruits go through psychogical profiling? Just as paedophiles tend to be attracted to jobs involving jobs with kids, some people with issues around violence could be attracted to the police or the military.
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Gott In Himmel, this case has really excited you Spam. Out of interest was she warned to drop her weapon first or did the police just shoot her dead instantly? I wonder how the British police would have dealt with a similar situation.
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Gott In Himmel, this case has really excited you Spam. Out of interest was she warned to drop her weapon first or did the police just shoot her dead instantly?
He told her to get down, 3 times.
He didn't have time to shout many commands & had to act, it isn't clear when he first saw the knife.
I wouldn't say I'm excited about the case, I just won't stand for outright nonsense in defence of a knife wielding maniac who slashed at one woman & went for the throat of another.
Black lives matter, which is why she had to be stopped.
I'd have shot her as well had I been there.
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And had the British police been there the only option they would have had would be to attempt to tase her, which may not have worked.
Had an armed British police unit been met with the same scenario, they would have been right to shoot her too.
She was behaving in a life threatening manner toward another person.
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He told her to get down, 3 times.
He didn't have time to shout many commands & had to act, it isn't clear when he first saw the knife.
I wouldn't say I'm excited about the case, I just won't stand for outright nonsense in defence of a knife wielding maniac who slashed at one woman & went for the throat of another.
Black lives matter, which is why she had to be stopped.
I'd have shot her as well had I been there.
If she was repeatedly warned and continued to attack the other girl then fair dos I guess.
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If she was repeatedly warned and continued to attack the other girl then fair dos I guess.
The officer just didn't have much time.
If you watch the whole incident in slow motion the officer approaches the scene, then Ma'khia, knife in hand, rushes the first woman who falls over, she slashes at her as she's on the ground, the man on the scene aims a kick at the floored woman's head. Lovely!
At this point the officer was saying 'hey hey' then 'get down', 'get down'.
It's unclear when he first see's the knife.
Ma'khia, after flooring the first woman, turns her attention to the woman in pink, she rushes at her, knife ready & the officer must either react or just let what happens happen. He is trained to react.
I believe he acted appropriately & responsibly, a taser may have been ineffective & the threat to life was imminent, there was no other sensible option.
He wasn't excessive in the force used, he shot until she stopped posing a threat & no more.
The shooting in slow motion.
https://youtu.be/Fpnibt9RQ2U?t=522
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The officer just didn't have much time.
If you watch the whole incident in slow motion the officer approaches the scene, then Ma'khia, knife in hand, rushes the first woman who falls over, she slashes at her as she's on the ground, the man on the scene aims a kick at the floored woman's head. Lovely!
At this point the officers was saying 'hey hey' then 'get down', 'get down'.
It's unclear when he first see's the knife.
Ma'khia, after flooring the first woman, turns her attention to the woman in pink, she rushes at her, knife ready & the officer must either react or just let what happens happen. He is trained to react.
I believe he acted appropriately & responsibly, a taser may have been ineffective & the threat to life was imminent, there was no other sensible option.
He wasn't excessive in the force used, he shot until she stopped posing a threat & no more.
She must have been deranged.
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She must have been deranged.
She was in foster care, it's not been revealed yet why.
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Ma'Khia Bryant's military vet neighbor says his security camera footage proves Columbus cop had NO CHOICE but to shoot her: Second neighbor says knife-wielding 16-year-old 'was in full attack mode and the other girl's life was at stake'
'He could have either not fired and the young lady in pink could have been stabbed in the neck and brutally or fatally injured and then he could shoot [Bryant] and we could have had two [young women] dead - or he could have responded in the way that he did and one young lady lost her life'.
His comments come as a second neighbor said he believes police bodycam footage shows Bryant was in 'full attack mode' and 'needed to be stopped' because a 'young lady's life was at stake'.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/22/17/42087198-9500075-Home_security_footage_has_captured_a_new_angle_of_the_shooting_o-a-12_1619109923606.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9500075/MaKhia-Bryants-neighbor-says-security-camera-footage-shows-cop-no-choice-shoot-her.html
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Some sensible commentary from Fox News.
The "Outnumbered" panel analyzes the police shooting of Ohio teen Ma'Khia Bryant, and the White House's claim that the motive was "systemic racism."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gj0zSCAM0M
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Ma'Khia Bryant's military vet neighbor says his security camera footage proves Columbus cop had NO CHOICE but to shoot her: Second neighbor says knife-wielding 16-year-old 'was in full attack mode and the other girl's life was at stake'
'He could have either not fired and the young lady in pink could have been stabbed in the neck and brutally or fatally injured and then he could shoot [Bryant] and we could have had two [young women] dead - or he could have responded in the way that he did and one young lady lost her life'.
His comments come as a second neighbor said he believes police bodycam footage shows Bryant was in 'full attack mode' and 'needed to be stopped' because a 'young lady's life was at stake'.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/22/17/42087198-9500075-Home_security_footage_has_captured_a_new_angle_of_the_shooting_o-a-12_1619109923606.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9500075/MaKhia-Bryants-neighbor-says-security-camera-footage-shows-cop-no-choice-shoot-her.html
I'd agree that the girl needed to be quickly incpacitated (from what I've seen so far), but did it require a shoot-to-kill?
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I'd agree that the girl needed to be quickly incpacitated (from what I've seen so far), but did it require a shoot-to-kill?
He didn't shoot to kill.
He shot to stop.
He shot whilst she was a threat & stopped when she dropped the knife.
Shooting her in the legs or arms would require unrealistic precision, her big fat ass could have been an option but officers are not trained to aim for the ass.
And again, shooting the knife out of her hand Clint Eastwood style is the stuff of fantasy.
The police called an ambulance immediately & rendered some first aid.
If they wanted her dead why bother?
In the same scenario in the UK with only a taser as an option, pink lady may well have been stabbed in the neck.
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There is new footage & audio where Ma'Khyia is heard saying "I'm going to stab the f..k out of you bitch" during the altercation. I will post this tomorrow as it's bed time & I'm using my phone rather than lap dog.
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Ma'Khyia s dad also kicked the other girl in the head
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Given what has happened recently I guarantee that most US police officers will think twice before shooting anyone now unless their OWN lives are threatened. Because at the end of the day, if they don't shoot someone they get to go home and get on with their lives.
I think the US public are going to be the losers in all of this.
I found another one....
Cop who was pistol-whipped unconscious with his own weapon was afraid to use force against his unarmed black attacker in the wake of Ferguson shooting
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198613/Cop-pistol-whipped-unconscious-weapon-afraid-use-force-against-unarmed-black-attacker-wake-Ferguson-shooting.html
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MSNBC guest suggests Ma'Khia Bryant was shot for 'not being perfect,' having a 'bad day'
Host Joy Reid called the deadly police-involved shooting a 'murder'.
"The way she's been talked about, because she was a big girl, right? And so people just see her as the aggressor. They don't see her humanity"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-joy-reid-guest-makhia-bryant-shot-having-bad-day
People see her as the aggressor, because she was the aggressor.
It has nothing to do with her being obese or black & whole lot more to do with her lunging at two women with a knife & saying she was going to "stab the f*ck out of them". Her humanity was clearly on display in them moments.
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Security Camera Footage with Audio of Ma’khia Bryant shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoksXSo5LGw
The footage & audio gives additional information about the incident, including that the officer did not draw his weapon until Ma'Khia had lunged at the first woman. He had his hand on his weapon ready to draw (I think any officer attending a report of an attempted stabbing would do the same until they confirmed the scene was safe) but did not draw & fire until it was obvious the pink ladies life was in danger.
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I think BLM might have lost this one. But top marks for trying.
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Knife-wielding 16-year-old was arguing with 2 girls over unmade bed before cop shot her
MA'KHIA Bryant was arguing with two other girls over an unmade bed moments before she was shot by police, her foster mom said yesterday.
Angela Moore, her foster mom, said Bryant was involved in a fight with two other girls over housekeeping.
"It was over keeping the house clean," Moore told CNN. "The older one told them to clean up the house because 'Mom doesn't like the house dirty,'" Moore said. "So that's how it all started."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14718880/makhia-bryant-shooting-latest-updates-knife-bed-live/
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I think BLM might have lost this one. But top marks for trying.
It's jaw dropping the lengths that BLM supporter celebrities, politicians & civil rights activists are willing to go to in making an attacker out to be a victim & still demonising the police, as if this was some racist murder.
I think this footage shows their complaint isn't about bad cops at all but rather a hatred for all cops.
The camera footage clearly shows who was being the aggressor in the incident & who were trying to defend themselves.
The footage of the shooting shows an almost text book like example of when lethal force is justifiable in defence of another.
But, no doubt the call of #Justice For Ma'khia, will continue indefinitely, since it seems pretty obvious the officer can't be charged with anything.
There was no unnecessary use of force or reckless/negligent behaviour on display in the slightest.
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It's jaw dropping the lengths that BLM supporter celebrities, politicians & civil rights activists are willing to go to in making an attacker out to be a victim & still demonising the police, as if this was some racist murder.
I think this footage shows their complaint isn't about bad cops at all but rather a hatred for all cops.
The camera footage clearly shows who was being the aggressor in the incident & who were trying to defend themselves.
The footage of the shooting shows an almost text book like example of when lethal force is justifiable in defence of another.
But, no doubt the call of #Justice For Ma'khia, will continue indefinitely, since it seems pretty obvious the officer can't be charged with anything.
There was no unnecessary use of force or reckless/negligent behaviour on display in the slightest.
I agree absolutely. Not only was she intent on at least causing serious harm, it was towards another black person. Do BLM think that this is okay?
The Policeman is now out of the loop. He killed a black girl in defence of another black girl. Take that to Court, if they dare.
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I am fast getting beyond understanding of what is going on.
I don't have the time or patience to trawl through The Internet to look for other likewise Cases, especially in America. But they do seem to only come up with Cases of white policemen killing black people. I don't want to know if black Policemen killed white people, sad though it might be. But it does happen.
I wouldn't have lasted ten minutes in The British Police Service. But Loners don't do well despite having a better idea of what they are supposed to be doing.
America can now go and stuff itself. It will all come to ruin while BLM briefly take over.
I don't know if black people behave more badly, but I bet that some of them do.
I have tried for all of my life not to put people in boxes no matter who they are.
I grew up in a London that was coloured by people of colour, some of whom were enormously useful after The War. They were just there and with every right to be so. Some of them were a bit uppety, mostly the good looking ones, but generally this is what it is all about. Isn't it?
But it is how we perceive them that matters.
America slaughtered thousand of American Indians because they didn't understand that these people only wanted to help them. They were afraid.
I don't have the patience to go into slavery. It was too long ago and perhaps too many of them.
I myself am the great grand daughter of a Romany, which appeared to be some cause for shame. My entire family pretended that this never happened. And so they deprived me of who I am. And I am a couple of shades darker than some, much to my pleasure. I spent enough time lying in the Sun to know what colour I wanted to be.
Not quite the same thing of course. But this probably the best that you all are going to get from me.
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MSNBC's Joy Reid has argued that something must have 'scared' 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant before she lunged at another woman with a knife and was shot dead by a cop.
Police were called to a chaotic scene at the foster home in Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday, and police officer Nicholas Reardon opened fire on Ma'Khia when she launched her knife attack.
The events that took place before police arrived remain uncertain, but Ma'Khia's foster mother Angela Moore has said the teen had argued with two of her former foster children over an untidy bed.
During her broadcast of 'The ReidOut' on MSNBC on Thursday, Joy made an argument defending Bryant's actions before the shooting.
'We don't know the details of what happened beforehand but I'm bothered that no one is asking what could've scared a 16-year-old girl enough that she felt that she had to grab a kitchen knife facing two adult women,' Reid said.
'No one's asking what would've scared a kid who's in a foster situation so much that she felt that she needed to defend herself or pick up a knife,' she added.
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Reid also took aim at people who have said the officer was protecting the other girls involved in the altercation when he opened fire on knife-wielding Ma'Khia.
'No one's asking that about her, they're just saying - people with this sort of concern trolling - pretending they care so much about those other two women,' Reid said.
'Do we really think these people are so concerned about those other two black women?'
Her comments drew a backlash from some on Twitter.
One wrote: '911 operators, take note. Ask if it’s a knife fight first, then do not dispatch police. Send Joy Reid.'
Conservative Curtis Houck said 'Joy Reid claims anyone defending the officer that shot #MaKiyahBryant is more concerned about the white officer and don't actually care about the lives of the other girls b/c - you guessed it - they're black'
One user asked, 'Joy a black girl was saved doesn’t that life matter to you?'
Moore has told CNN that the initial argument was started when two of her former foster children came to Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday for her birthday.
She said the fight over the housework started before she had arrived home from work.
'It was over keeping the house clean,' Moore, who was taking care of Bryant, said.
'The older one told them to clean up the house because "Mom doesn't like the house dirty." So that's how it all started.'
Moore said she was told that Ma'Khia had told the older girl: 'You're not the guardian of me.'
Moore said the girls argued 'all the time' since Ma'Khia moved into the home a few months ago and she was told by one of those involved in the brawl how it broke out.
'I never thought it would escalate like that,' Moore said.
She received a frantic phone call from one of the former foster children who is seen in the fateful police bodycam video wearing pink as Ma'Khia lunged at her with a knife before being gunned down by Reardon.
Moore said the young girl in pink told her: '"Mom, get home. Where are you? They're going crazy." She said they shot Ma'Kiah and I said, "Huh?" It was just crazy.'
The foster mother started to pray and received text messages from people sending their condolences before she had even arrived home to find the teenager dead.
Moore paid tribute to Ma'Khia as a 'fun' girl who loved to dance and help around the house, while her birth mother Paula said she loved music, cooking and making TikTok videos.
The revelations come after one of her neighbors, a military veteran, said his home security camera proves the Columbus Police officer had no choice but to shoot the teenager because more people could have been killed.
Donavon Brinson told Fox News Thursday morning he believes Bryant could have fatally stabbed the young woman she was seen lunging at with a knife if the cop hadn't opened fire.
'He could have either not fired and the young lady in pink could have been stabbed in the neck and brutally or fatally injured and then he could have shot [Bryant] and we could have had two [young women] dead - or he could have responded in the way that he did and one young lady lost her life,' he said.
A second neighbor also said he believes police bodycam footage shows Bryant was in 'full attack mode' and 'needed to be stopped' because a 'young lady's life was at stake'.
Reardon shot Bryant four times at around 4.45pm on Tuesday on the 3100 block of Legion Lane while responding to a 911 call about an attempted stabbing.
Footage from a security camera on the garage of Brinson's home across the street from the foster home captured a new angle of the shooting, giving a glimpse into the moments leading up to the fatal incident.
The 26-second video shows a girl - now known to be Bryant - walking down a driveway toward other people at the very same moment that a police car pulls up outside the home.
Bryant then appears to suddenly charge at another person in the driveway. What happened next was captured on police body camera footage released Wednesday.
The police officer is seen taking a few steps toward a group of people in the driveway when Bryant starts swinging a knife wildly at another girl or woman, who falls backward.
The officer shouts several times to get down. Bryant then charges at another girl or woman, who is pinned against a car.
From a few feet away, with people on either side of him, the officer fires four shots, and Bryant slumps to the ground. A black-handled blade similar to a kitchen knife or steak knife lies on the sidewalk next to her.
A man immediately yells at the officer: 'You didn't have to shoot her! She's just a kid, man!'
The officer responds: 'She had a knife. She just went at her.'
Bryant enrolled at Independence High School in February. She was a foster child in the care of Franklin County.
Nicholas Reardon, the officer who fired the fatal shots, is currently not on street duty, pending the results of an investigation into the shooting.
Joy Reid is no stranger to making controversial statements on her show.
In March, she tweeted, 'I'll say it again: people on the right would trade all the tax cuts for the ability to openly say the n-word like in 'the good old days.''
'To them, not being able to be openly racist and discriminatory without consequence is oppression. Trump is the avatar for this 'freedom.''
Reid's tweet came the same day she said on her show that states like Texas and Mississippi only want black people to get vaccines because white people want black people to 'get their behinds into the factory and make me my steaks.'
In 2018, old tweets posted by Reid years earlier about 'rentboys' and 'grimey closet-cases' resurfaced days after the MSNBC host tried to deny writing homophobic blog comments appearing under her name.
She claimed she'd been hacked after images from her blog, titled The Reid Report, were tweeted out.
In one tweet, Reid referred to Southern Baptist minister George Rekers, who was famously caught with a male prostitute, as a 'rentboy.'
'George 'Rentboy' Rekers resigns is still not gay,' Reid tweeted.
In another tweet, Reid said: 'Rush Limbaugh's fourth marriage offers a hopeful message for fat, grimey closet-cases everywhere. Get rich. (Karl Rover, you're on deck!).'
She also added: 'Report: Elton John, Who Is Gay, To Perform At Rush Limbaugh's Wedding. Elton to serenade the beard.'
Reid said the anti-gay references 'run counter to my personal beliefs and ideology' and had been included in the now-defunct blog in an 'effort to taint my character.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9505323/Joy-Reid-claims-MaKhia-Bryant-scared-lunged-girl-knife.html
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MSNBC host Joy Reid is a constant anti-white, anti-police race baiter.
In her world, this is defending one's self....& is excusable because she was black, 16 & made cutesy Tik Tok videos.
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At the beginning of the attempted stabbings shown in the footage the two women (who were former foster children at the home, aged 22 & 19) were out on the street & posing absolutely no threat to Ma'Khia.
The story goes that they had argued in the house with Ma'Khia about an unmade bed & the house being messy.
That's all, Ma'Khia was in no danger, both women were unarmed, it was Ma'Khia who emerged from the house with lethal intent.
If she was genuinely fearful of these two women she would not have gone outside.
Ma'Khia's last ever words were 'I'm going to stab the f..k out of you'.
Reading the comments from the likes of Joy Reid & others I feel like I watched a completely different video to the one they all saw.
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MSNBC host Joy Reid is a constant anti-white, anti-police race baiter.
In her world, this is defending one's self....& is excusable because she was black, 16 & made cutesy Tik Tok videos.
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At the beginning of the attempted stabbings shown in the footage the two women (who were former foster children at the home, aged 22 & 19) were out on the street & posing absolutely no threat to Ma'Khia.
The story goes that they had argued in the house with Ma'Khia about an unmade bed & the house being messy.
That's all, Ma'Khia was in no danger, both women were unarmed, it was Ma'Khia who emerged from the house with lethal intent.
If she was genuinely fearful of these two women she would not have gone outside.
Ma'Khia's last ever words were 'I'm going to stab the f..k out of you'.
Reading the comments from the likes of Joy Reid & others I feel like I watched a completely different video to the one they all saw.
Joy Reid is your typical brown noser, friend to all TV host. We've seen them all exude that act these last few weeks in the Chauvin trial. It seems that TV news is underdog hungry these days in what is really a battle for ratings.
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Joy Reid is your typical brown noser, friend to all TV host. We've seen them all exude that act these last few weeks in the Chauvin trial. It seems that TV news is underdog hungry these days in what is really a battle for ratings.
They are going to be very satisfied with the next bodycam footage of police killing a black person due to be released.
Andrew Brown from North Carolina was reportedly shot in the back multiple times by multiple officers as he attempted to drive away from a drugs warrant.
The body cam footage is being withheld by police which suggests it may be problematic for them, several officers have either quit the force or are on leave during investigation.
I've read numerous reports that he was unarmed & the police fired into his vehicle shattering the rear windscreen as he drove away. The ambulance dispatch reports bullet wounds to his back.
This one will not be a legally justifiable shooting & I think several officers may face murder charges.
When the video is released with more certain detail I will create a new thread on the subject.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/andrew-brown-shooting-seven-north-carolina-deputies-leave
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IMO, every case has to be investigated and judged fairly based on circumstances, evidence and context.
If a police officer, or a military officer (irrespective of skin colour or ethnicity) used appropriate force to stop and search / restrain a suspect (again, irrespective of skin colour or ethnicity), based on reasonable cause, I don't have a problem.
Where I have a problem (with the skin/ ethnicity issue) is when this isn't the case.
I also have a problem with police brutality in general, as in an excessive use of force relative to the circumstances. It can also be those of the same colour / ethnicity doing so, which raises other issues.
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Newark cops, with reform, didn’t fire a single shot in 2020
Worth a read, IMO.
https://www.nj.com/news/2021/01/newark-cops-with-reform-didnt-fire-a-single-shot-in-2020-moran.html
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Newark cops, with reform, didn’t fire a single shot in 2020
Worth a read, IMO.
https://www.nj.com/news/2021/01/newark-cops-with-reform-didnt-fire-a-single-shot-in-2020-moran.html
Great news but I can’t imagine the racists and gun loving brigade being too happy about it.
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Val Demings says officer in Ma'Khia Bryant shooting "responded as he was trained to do"
Washington — Congresswoman Val Demings, a Democrat from Florida and former chief of the Orlando Police Department, said Sunday the police officer who fatally shot 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant in Ohio last week appears to have responded in accordance with his training.
In an interview with "Face the Nation," Demings reflected on her time as a patrol officer and said those working in the community have to make split-second decisions.
"Everybody has the benefit of slowing the video down and seizing the perfect moment. The officer on the street does not have that ability. He or she has to make those split-second decisions and they're tough," Demings told "Face the Nation." "But the limited information that I know in viewing the video, it appears that the officer responded as he was trained to do with the main thought of preventing a tragedy and a loss of life of the person who was about to be assaulted."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/val-demings-officer-makhia-bryant-shooting/
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A use of force expert who testified for the prosecution in the Derek Chauvin trial, Seth Stoughton, has said....
“With the caveat that I only know what is shown on the video, I don’t see any clear options or alternatives that were available to the officer,” Stoughton told the Columbus Dispatch.
Police officer Nicholas Reardon was criticized for not using different methods to disarm the teen and de-escalate the situation instead of using a firearm.
However, Stoughton thinks that events of the incident happened "too quickly" for Reardon to take any other action.
“When an officer sees one person attacking another person with a weapon at close range in a way that is likely to cause death or serious bodily injury, lethal force is appropriate,” Stoughton said.
“The use of a firearm is the most reliable way to address that imminent threat,” he added.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14718880/expert-says-cop-had-no-options-in-makhia-bryant-shooting/
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Hundreds gather for Black Lives Matter protest - bringing central Columbus to a standstill as they hold 16-minute silence over the shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant
Crowds of protesters gathered in downtown Columbus, Ohio on Sunday for another day of demonstrations over the killing of Ma'Khia Bryant.
Bryant, a 16-year-old black girl, was shot dead by a white police officer on Tuesday afternoon as she wielded a knife at another young woman.
Around 200 people joined the protest on Sunday, which began late afternoon in Goodale Park.
Many carried signs with messages such as 'Ma'Khia was a child' and 'Justice for Ma'Khia Bryant'.
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Organizer Hana Abdur-Rahim spoke to those gathered from a stage where he was flanked by members of Bryant's family.
'Today we are here to continue to lift up the life of Ma'Khia Bryant. I don't need a video to know she was a child and she deserved to live,' she said.
(Which translates to: I'm unwilling to view the evidence objectively, I'm not bothered she attempted to stab two people, that's irrelevant, she was black, 16, killed by a white cop & that's all that matters.)
"They are also demanding the officers who killed Bryant be arrested and that the Columbus Division of Police be defunded."
'It doesn't seem real. Ma'Khia was an angel. This situation didn't have to happen like this; the system failed her.'
(Yes, the system failed her by not allowing her to stab people in the street, Justice For Ma'khia, she should have been free to stab without consequence)
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Hard to tell if this could be called "racial profiling" as there's no way of knowing whether this cop behaves the same way with everyone. Still, it must add to the stress of the day.
Viral video shows police officer ‘racially profiling’ Black man at diner (Pennsylvania).
https://www.indy100.com/viral/police-racial-profile-black-man-video-b1837546
Original Twitter thread on this...
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1386341227491123205
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'What is on the video that is so damning?' Andrew Brown Jr. family waiting as body-cam footage redacted; state of emergency declared
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Andrew Brown Jr., 42, was shot and killed by sheriff's deputies serving warrants in Elizabeth City, N.C. on Wed., April 21.
The mayor of Elizabeth City declared a state of emergency Monday as authorities in North Carolina worked to redact bodycam footage of the fatal shooting of Andrew Brown Jr. before allowing the Black man's family and lawyers to view it.
The family and its representatives plan on viewing the video at the Pasquotank County Sheriff's Office, lawyers said at a news conference where they urged immediate release of the video.
“City officials realize there may potentially be a period of civil unrest within the city following the public release of that footage,” Mayor Bettie Parker said in the emergency declaration.
Lawyer Harry Daniels said the family was told they could see the video at 11:30 a.m. Monday, only to be told about an hour before that time that the video was being redacted and would not be available until later in the day. The lawyers said they wanted the raw video, not a redacted version.
"What is on the video that is so damning?" lawyer Ben Crump asked.
Brown, a father of seven, was fatally shot Wednesday by deputies serving warrants in Elizabeth City. Few details of the shooting have been released, although a first responder can be heard on dispatch audio saying, "Be advised EMS has one male, 42 years of age, gunshot to the back."
Sheriff Tommy Wooten has said that deputies shot and killed Brown while serving drug-related search and arrest warrants. The warrants say investigators used information from an informant, including recordings of drug buys, according to court documents released Monday.
Public release of the video, demanded by advocacy groups, requires court approval. Wooten has said he would seek that approval, but not until he is assured by the State Bureau of Investigation that the release would not compromise its probe.
Wooten, who has heard a chorus of calls for his resignation, won support Sunday from the chairman of the county commission. Chairman Lloyd Griffin asked the community for patience as the shooting investigation continues.
“Rushing the gathering of evidence and interviewing of witnesses would hurt any future legal case that might be brought in the wake of this tragedy,” Griffin said. “Justice, when done right, takes time.”
Griffin said an officer-involved shooting in Charlotte two years took three weeks for body camera footage to be legally released. Griffin said he hopes it doesn’t take that long this time, but said state law must be followed.
“The commissioners support Sheriff Wooten, who is trying to maintain public safety in our county while also being responsive to the needs of the Brown family and those concerned about this shooting,” Griffin said. “It’s easy to criticize and it’s hard to lead.”
Seven deputies have been put on paid administrative leave since the shooting. Daniels said Brown was shot in the back by deputies as he was attempting to flee. His death Wednesday came the day after former Minneapolis police officer Chauvin was convicted of murdering George Floyd, whose death was also caught on video and ignited a wave of national protests venting outrage over police treatment of people of color.
"The family is ready to see this bodycam footage," Daniels told NBC News. "Nothing is guaranteed."
Gov. Roy Cooper called the shooting "concerning" and urged public release of the video "as quickly as possible."
Elizabeth City, 60 miles south of Virginia Beach, Virginia, is the county seat and home to fewer than 18,000 residents, about half of them Black.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/26/andrew-brown-shooting-family-view-deputies-bodycam-videos-today/7380279002/
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Family of Andrew Brown Jr. prepares to view video of fatal police shooting in North Carolina
Andrew Brown Jr., 42, was fatally shot by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City on Wednesday when they attempted to serve him with an arrest warrant, the sheriff's office said.
Yet few details have been released about the shooting. In dispatch audio from that day, first responders can be heard saying a man had gunshot wounds to the back.
A copy of Brown's death certificate obtained by CNN says he died as a result of a "penetrating gunshot wound of the head" and died within "minutes" of being shot. The certificate categorizes his death as a homicide, saying Brown was "shot by others."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/us/andrew-brown-elizabeth-city-shooting/index.html
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The family of Andrew Brown were today allowed to see just a 20 second video clip of the shooting, despite there being at least 7 body cameras & security camera footage available.
According to the family Andrew Brown was being shot whilst his hands were on the steering wheel of his car.
He attempted to back away from officers & avoid being shot, officers continued to shoot him as he crashed into a tree. At no point did he pose a threat to officers during the 20 second clip, according to his family.
Family of Andrew Brown Jr, Attorneys speak after seeing body camera footage
https://youtu.be/D2aW-W9dogg?t=394
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Andrew Brown Jr.'s son describes what he saw on police video
CNN's Anderson Cooper talks to Andrew Brown Jr.'s son, Khalil Ferebee, and Brown family attorney Harry Daniels about the 20 seconds of bodycam video of the fatal shooting by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City, North Carolina.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/04/27/andrew-brown-jr-son-police-video-reaction-sot-ac360-vpx.cnn
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What the body camera footage revealed
Attorney Cherry-Lassiter said the footage she saw of the incident showed an "execution."
Brown was seen in his driveway, blocked in by the sheriff's department, sitting with his hands on the steering wheel.
"He wasn't reaching for anything, he wasn't touching anything, he wasn't throwing anything around," she said.
Deputies ran up to his car, shooting as Brown put the vehicle in reverse and backed out of the driveway, she said. D
eputies continued to shoot at him as he drove off, Cherry-Lassiter said.
The vehicle, riddled with bullet holes, crashed into a tree, she said.
What authorities have released
In dispatch audio from that day, first responders can be heard saying a man had gunshot wounds to the back.
A copy of his death certificate says he died as a result of a gunshot wound of the head.
Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies were authorized to look for crack cocaine, other controlled substances and "evidence of criminal activity" in Brown's two vehicles and his residence, according to a search warrant signed by a judge on April 20.
The copy of the search warrant obtained by CNN was marked as "not executed."
In the first news conference about Brown's death, Wooten said Brown was killed as deputies were attempting to execute the search warrant.
In a later news conference, Wooten stated Brown was killed as deputies served an arrest warrant.
CNN has not been able to obtain the arrest warrant.
According to the search warrant, PCSO Investigator D. Ryan Meads received information from the Dare County Narcotics Task Force in March of 2021 "regarding the illegal sales of controlled narcotics by Andrew Brown residing on Perry St. in Elizabeth City."
The task force had been in touch with an informant who claimed to have been buying drugs from Brown for over a year, including at his home or at motels/hotels, according to the warrant.
However, Brown's aunt Betty Banks said the family was told that authorities did not find any drugs or weapons in Brown's car or in his house.
Video was released publicly Monday by a bystander -- a brief snippet showing police around the car.
What happens next
Seven deputies have been placed on administrative leave following the shooting, two others have resigned and one deputy retired, Wooten has said.
Not all the deputies who were placed on administrative leave discharged their firearms, he added, but they were all part of the warrant operation.
According to North Carolina law, law enforcement body camera footage can only be released to the public with a court order.
Fogg said in the video statement that the county attorney on Monday filed a motion in court to have the footage released.
A media coalition that includes CNN also filed a petition in a North Carolina state court Monday pushing for the release of the video.
CNN has also reached out to the county attorney for comment on the release of the footage.
Elizabeth City declared a state of emergency Monday morning amid concerns that the video's release could lead to civil unrest.
According to the city's emergency proclamation, city officials will also file a formal request with the sheriff's office for the public release of the video.
"It seems likely that the video and audio footage will be released in the very near future. In order to ensure the safety of our citizens and their property, City officials realize there may be a potential period of unrest within the City following the public release of the footage," the proclamation says.
Marchers in Elizabeth City demonstrated Monday night outside Pasquotank County Attorney Michael Cox's home, organizer Kirk Rivers and other protestors told CNN.
Protesters stayed for about 15 minutes, chanting "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" as well as "Black Lives Matter" and "Andrew Brown." The march then headed toward the sheriff's office.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/27/us/andrew-brown-elizabeth-city-shooting-tuesday/index.html
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Andrew Brown autopsy shows he was shot five times by police, attorneys say
Independent pathologist hired by Brown family examined his body and noted one wound to the head.
Attorneys for the family of Andrew Brown, a Black man killed by deputies last week, said on Tuesday an independent autopsy showed he was shot five times, including in the back of the head.
The attorney Wayne Kendall said an independent pathologist hired by the Brown family had examined his body. The doctor had noted four wounds to the right arm and one to the head, Kendall said during a news conference.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/27/andrew-brown-shooting-autopsy-attorneys
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New video shows 4 seconds between police arrival and the fatal shooting of Andrew Brown Jr., attorney says
Elizabeth City, North Carolina (CNN)A new video shows that no more than four seconds passed between when Pasquotank Sheriff's deputies arrived at Andrew Brown Jr.'s home and when shots began to ring out, a family attorney said Tuesday.
"This was, in fact, an extrajudicial killing, an execution if you will," Brown family attorney Wayne Kendall told CNN's John Berman. "Mr. Brown's car never moved toward those deputies."
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/28/us/andrew-brown-elizabeth-city-shooting-wednesday/index.html
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So... he was backing out. If the cops were behind the car and he hit the accelerator, e.g., in an attempt to run them over, I suppose shooting could be justified - but so far that doesn't appear to be the case.
If, as seems to be the case, he panicked and backed out to try to evade them, couldn't they have shot at the tires? Or overtake him to block his path?
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So... he was backing out. If the cops were behind the car and he hit the accelerator, e.g., in an attempt to run them over, I suppose shooting could be justified - but so far that doesn't appear to be the case.
If, as seems to be the case, he panicked and backed out to try to evade them, couldn't they have shot at the tires? Or overtake him to block his path?
Shooting tyres is more movie stuff.
5 officers are reported to have shot at him.
What can often happen in situations is one cop opens fire & the rest panic & join in, regardless of threat.
Just got to wait for the full release of bodycams to find out the facts, but I think a few officers will be facing murder charges as *shooting someone in the back of the head when they drive away isn't legally justifiable*.
*Unless of course they were going to run someone over, which Mr Brown apparently wasn't.
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Andrew Brown shooting body camera footage won’t be released to public for at least 30 days, court rules
Police killed Andrew Brown Jr. a week ago, but his family says they’ve only seen a “snippet” of body camera footage so far
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/andrew-brown-shooting-video-body-cam-b1839105.html
Judge denies media request for Andrew Brown videos, but allows family to view recordings
A North Carolina judge ruled Wednesday that video from four body cameras associated with the shooting of Andrew Brown Jr. will not be released publicly at this time.
The judge went on the grant, in part, a petition from the Pasquotank County Sheriff's office allowing the disclosure of the body cameras to Brown's family and one of their legal representatives.
The disclosure means the family and an attorney can view the videos but will not be given their own copies or allowed to make recordings.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/28/us/andrew-brown-elizabeth-city-shooting-wednesday/index.html
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Virginia deputy mistook cordless house phone for gun in shooting of Black man, attorney says.
(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2021_17/3467588/210424-isiah-brown-mb-2035_b57b3c4ed36668d7612dbffa0a002070.fit-360w.png)
A Virginia man is in intensive care after a sheriff's deputy shot him ten times outside his home early Wednesday, his family said.
Isaiah Brown, a 32-year-old Black man, was walking down the street away from his house in Spotsylvania County and was on the phone with a 911 dispatcher when the Virginia sheriff's deputy responded to his house following reports of a "domestic incident," according to a police statement, as well as body camera footage and 911 audio.
The footage and audio, which was released late Friday, appeared to show the deputy then yelling “drop the gun,” multiple times and saying over his radio, “he’s got a gun to his head.” The deputy then yells, “stop walking towards me, stop walking towards me” and “stop, stop" before shooting Brown.
The Virginia deputy mistook a cordless house phone Brown was holding for a gun, David Haynes, his attorney, said in a statement provided to USA TODAY. Brown was unarmed at the time of the shooting and "clearly told dispatch that he did not have a weapon more than 90 seconds before the deputy arrived," he said
"Isaiah is now fighting for his life as a result of these completely avoidable errors by the deputy and dispatch," Haynes said.
The release of the recordings comes after family members and the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia demanded they be made public. Up until then, little information had been made available.
Spotsylvania County Sheriff Roger L. Harris said in a video released with the body camera footage that a special prosecutor had been appointed to the case and that the deputy had been placed on administrative leave.
Brown’s family told WRC-TV the same deputy had given Brown a ride home from a gas station after his car broke down earlier that day.
He later called 911 for an unrelated dispute with his brother.
Brown is heard on the call regarding the dispute saying his brother won’t let him into his mother's room in the house, and that he couldn't get into his car. The dispatcher tells Brown that his car is broken down and has been towed.
Brown then says, “alright, give me the gun” to which his brother is heard in the background saying, "no." The dispatcher asks what’s going on, and Brown replied: “I’m about to kill my brother.”
The dispatcher says "don’t kill your brother," and asks Brown multiple times if he’s armed to which he says no. Brown then told the dispatcher he was walking down the road, where the deputy met him.
The police shooting comes as the nation grapples with issues like racism and police brutality after former Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty of murdering George Floyd last year.
Andrew Brown, Jr., a 42-year-old Black man and father of 7, was shot and killed by North Carolina sheriff's deputies on Wednesday.
Twenty minutes before Chauvin's guilty verdict last week, a police officer shot and killed 16-year-old Ma’Khia Bryant Tuesday after arriving on the scene to respond to reports of an attempted stabbing in Columbus, Ohio.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/25/isaiah-brown-shot-virginia-sheriffs-deputy-phone-gun/7376535002/
Isaiha Brown Shooting BodyCam Footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UbzVM66o8
Isaiah Brown, Black man shot by Virginia deputy who gave him ride home, in critical condition
The man shot multiple times by a Virginia deputy who had just given him a ride home is on a breathing machine and in critical condition, an attorney for his family said Monday.
Isaiah Brown, 32, was shot Wednesday by a Spotsylvania County sheriff's deputy who had given him a lift home after his car broke down. He was holding a cordless house phone outside his home when he was shot, Brown family attorney David Haynes said.
Haynes said Monday that Brown was shot at least 10 times. Two bullets have been removed from his body, and eight remain, surgeons have told the family. "He's on a breathing machine and remains in very critical condition," Haynes said, adding that Brown's condition is "touch and go."
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/isaiah-brown-black-man-shot-virginia-deputy-who-gave-him-n1265373
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FFS.
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The bodycam shows nothing, too dark.
The problem was the man who was shot had mentioned a gun & said he was going to kill his brother.
He then told despatch he didn't have a weapon, but it seems it may not have been relayed to the officer.
Either way, in a situation mentioning fire arms & threat to life an officer would most likely attend the scene with his gun un-holstered & low ready (pointed to the floor).
The man didn't respond to verbal commands & approached the officer by the sound of it.
It isn't the first time this has happened (and won't be the last), there was another incident a few months back where a phone was mistaken for a fire arm. I can't remember his name but it was yet another black dude late at night.
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Andrew Brown Jr.'s son describes what he saw on police video
CNN's Anderson Cooper talks to Andrew Brown Jr.'s son, Khalil Ferebee, and Brown family attorney Harry Daniels about the 20 seconds of bodycam video of the fatal shooting by Pasquotank County sheriff's deputies in Elizabeth City, North Carolina.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/04/27/andrew-brown-jr-son-police-video-reaction-sot-ac360-vpx.cnn
Ah, thanks. If accurate, that answers a question I posted earlier as to whether he'd backed up at speed with intent to mow them down (in which case, lethal - or an incapacitating level of - force could be justified in self-defense. However, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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DA argues Andrew Brown Jr.'s car struck deputies twice, family lawyer gave 'patently false' bodycam remarks
DA Andrew w..ble called on the judge to admonish Brown family attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter
A district attorney in North Carolina said in court on Wednesday that Andrew Brown Jr.'s car "made contact" with sheriff's deputies twice before law enforcement opened fire, calling comments made earlier this week by one of the attorneys representing Brown's family about what was captured on 20 seconds of body camera footage "patently false."
The claim came during a hearing at the Pasquotank County Courthouse, where Superior Court Judge Jeffery Foster ruled all bodycam footage of the April 21 fatal deputy-involved shooting of Brown will be delayed for public release for at least 30 days.
District Attorney Andrew w..ble told the judge that video showed Brown’s car made contact with deputies twice as he backed out of the driveway of his home in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, that day, before law enforcement began firing.
"As it backs up, it does make contact with law enforcement officers," w..ble said, adding that the car stops again. "The next movement of the car is forward. It is in the direction of law enforcement and makes contact with law enforcement. It is then and only then that you hear shots."
Statements made by attorney Chantel Cherry-Lassiter at a press conference earlier this week describing the "movements" of Brown’s car in the video are "patently false," w..ble added.
Deputies had arrived to serve drug-related arrest warrants. w..ble asked the judge, who viewed the footage himself, to publicly admonish Brown's family attorneys for failing to give a fair and accurate depiction of the video.
Cherry-Lassiter, an attorney representing the Brown family, was part of a group privately shown 20 seconds of body camera video on Monday inside the Pasquotank County Public Safety building.
At a press conference afterward, Cherry-Lassiter, who said she took three pages of notes as she watched the video several times, argued it depicted "an execution," as Brown had his hands on the steering wheel and was not threatening deputies as he was fired upon.
"Let's be clear. This was an execution. Andrew Brown was in his driveway. The sheriff truck blocked him in his driveway so he could not exit his driveway," she said at the press conference Monday. "Andrew had his hands on his steering wheel – he was not reaching for anything, he was not touching anything, he wasn't throwing anything around. He has his hands firmly on the steering wheel."
She claimed deputies had already begun firing as Brown backed out of the driveway and avoided striking the law enforcement officer. Brown then drove away from deputies, who did not stop firing even when his vehicle crashed into a tree, Cherry-Lassiter said.
"We watched this over and over and over to make sure we were sure about what was going on and what was transparent," the attorney continued, using her notes at times to recall what the video showed. "He finally tries to try to get away and he backs out – not going toward the officers at all. At no time in the 20 seconds that we saw was he threatening the officers in any kind of way."
An independent autopsy released by Brown's family attorneys Tuesday showed that the 42-year-old Black man was shot five times -- four times in the right arm, and a fifth fatal gunshot wound to the back of the head.
Though he delayed the release of the footage at this time, Foster approved disclosure of the videos to Brown’s adult son, Khalil Ferebee, other immediate family members and one licensed attorney in North Carolina within 10 days. The faces of the officers will be blurred before the disclosure, the judge said. The disclosure will include five files, but four videos in total from body cameras and a dashcam.
Releasing the videos at this time would jeopardize the reputation or safety of a person, pose a serious threat to the administration of justice and infringe on the confidentiality necessary to protect a possible criminal investigation, Foster said. The judge also denied a petition made by a media coalition for the videos’ release despite the compelling public interest.
The body camera footage will be held for release between at least 30 days and no more than 45 days to allow North Carolina’s State Bureau of Investigation (SBI) to move forward with their probe into the shooting, Foster said. The SBI will be ordered to present its findings to the court, when Foster will make another determination about the videos’ release. The judge said he spent hours Tuesday reviewing all footage obtained by SBI of the shooting and therefore knew the contents before considering petitions from several parties Wednesday.
Petitions to release the body camera footage came from a media coalition and Pasquotank County Attorney R. Michael Cox, who filed on behalf of Pasquotank County Sheriff Tommy Wooten II. Seven deputies have been placed on administrative leave since the shooting.
"I wanted the body camera footage to be released to the public as soon as possible, and I’m disappointed it won’t happen immediately," Wooten said in a statement after the hearing. "Obviously, I’ll respect the judge’s ruling. Although we’re unable to show the public what happened right now, the independent investigators are working to complete their investigation. As soon as all of the important facts are given to me, I will act quickly to ensure accountability and I’ll be as transparent as I possibly can with the public."
The FBI Charlotte Field Office announced Tuesday that it opened a federal civil rights investigation.
"We are deeply disappointed by the judge’s decision to not make body camera footage from the involved officers available to be viewed by the public," a statement released Wednesday by civil rights attorney Ben Crump and co-counsels Cherry-Lassiter, Bakari Sellers and Harry Daniels said. "In this modern civil rights crisis where we see Black people killed by the police everywhere we look, video evidence is the key to discerning the truth and getting well-deserved justice for victims of senseless murders."
"Just look at the murder of George Floyd – if the world had not seen that clear and disturbing footage, there might not have even been an ounce of accountability for those officers. We refuse to be discouraged and vow to keep the pressure on these agencies until we get to the truth. We will not stop saying his name. Andrew Brown Jr."
In a statement provided to Fox News before the hearing, SBI Director Robert L. Schurmeier had said state investigators "would defer to the local authorities and the courts to make that determination as guided by State law" regarding all relevant video.
"The SBI supports transparency to the greatest extent possible, as we think this serves the interests of the family, the local community, and North Carolina as a whole," Schurmeier added.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/andrew-brown-jr-struck-deputies-twice-bodycam-delayed-30-days