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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 11:22:13 AM
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Gerry McCann Radio Five Live Breakfast Interview May 1st 2008
'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."
Gerry knows of no evidence to suggest she is anything other than dead.
Kate McCann to Sara Antunes de Oliveira, SIC, 9 March, 2010
"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."
Kate would be lying if she said Madeleine was alive.
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Gerry McCann Radio Five Live Breakfast Interview May 1st 2008
'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."
Gerry knows of no evidence to suggest she is anything other than dead.
Kate McCann to Sara Antunes de Oliveira, SIC, 9 March, 2010
"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."
Kate would be lying if she said Madeleine was alive.
You don't seem to be able to understand simple statements...
The facts are..
There is no evidence..proof thet Maddie is dead..
She may be dead ..she may be alive...no one knows for sure
No one ..including the mccanns is saying she is definitely alive
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You don't seem to be able to understand simple statements...
The facts are..
There is no evidence..proof thet Maddie is dead..
She may be dead ..she may be alive...no one knows for sure
No one ..including the mccanns is saying she is definitely alive
Oh, I think someone does - we just don't know who that someone is.
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You don't seem to be able to understand simple statements...
The facts are..
There is no evidence..proof thet Maddie is dead..
She may be dead ..she may be alive...no one knows for sure
No one ..including the mccanns is saying she is definitely alive
Kate said she would be lying if she said she was alive.
"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."
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Kate said she would be lying if she said she was alive.
"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."
If you don't understand how the two sentences are totally reconcilable then that's your problem
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Of course the McCanns know there is a possibility that Madeleine is dead. However, until they are given proof of that they will continue to try to find out what happened to her. Just like Kerry Needham will continue to try to find out what happened to Ben. That's a perfectly normal reaction IMO.
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Of course the McCanns know there is a possibility that Madeleine is dead. However, until they are given proof of that they will continue to try to find out what happened to her. Just like Kerry Needham will continue to try to find out what happened to Ben. That's a perfectly normal reaction IMO.
It is not the possibility she is dead, it is the certainty that she is dead, Kate by her own admission would be lying if she said Madeleine was anything other than dead.
"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naive and say she's one hundred per cent alive."
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It is not the possibility she is dead, it is the certainty that she is dead, Kate by her own admission would be lying if she said Madeleine was anything other than dead.
"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naive and say she's one hundred per cent alive."
You don't seem to understand English...even amarals lawyer said she MAY be alive
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You made the statement..Im asking you..you cant answer
Well personally I reckon she is not 100% alive & Kate said she would be lying if she said she was 100% alive & she should know because she was there, and since anything other than 100% alive is dead, then Madeleine must in fact be brown bread, something which Kate must have been aware of prior to her disappearance since she couldn't possibly know what happened to her after that, other than perhaps her being lowered gently into a big dumpster type waste receptacle.
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Well personally I reckon she is not 100% alive & Kate said she would be lying if she said she was 100% alive & she should know because she was there, and since anything other than 100% alive is dead, then Madeleine must in fact be brown bread, something which Kate must have been aware of prior to her disappearance since she couldn't possibly know what happened to her after that, other than perhaps her being lowered gently into a big dumpster type waste receptacle.
No it isn't...you don't understand the written word..thats where you are going wrong..then you are staing your opinion as fact
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No it isn't...you don't understand the written word..thats where you are going wrong..then you are staing your opinion as fact
So explain please davel how being anything other than 100% alive is not dead?
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Well personally I reckon she is not 100% alive & Kate said she would be lying if she said she was 100% alive & she should know because she was there, and since anything other than 100% alive is dead, then Madeleine must in fact be brown bread, something which Kate must have been aware of prior to her disappearance since she couldn't possibly know what happened to her after that, other than perhaps her being lowered gently into a big dumpster type waste receptacle.
No, Kate found Madeleine missing, there is no evidence that she is dead, you can imagine all you like but they are the facts.
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No, Kate found Madeleine missing, there is no evidence that she is dead, you can imagine all you like but that is the facts.
Kate found her 'gone', she had been 'taken'.
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Kate found her 'gone', she had been 'taken'.
Correct
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So explain please davel how being anything other than 100% alive is not dead?
its quite easy...
What Kate is saying is that she cannot say 100% that maddie is alive..
I haven't seen the exact quote you are referring to..perhaps you have a link to it...
you have misunderstood what kate is saying...simple..or kate has phrased the statement badly...do you have alink to the exact words
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its quite easy...
What Kate is saying is that she cannot say 100% that maddie is alive..
I haven't seen the exact quote you are referring to..perhaps you have a link to it...
you have misunderstood what kate is saying...simple..or kate has phrased the statement badly...do you have alink to the exact words
SAO: Do you consider the posibility of, errm... Madeleine not being alive?
KM: Well, obviously there's a possibility because we don't know, errm... you know, we're not gonna sit here and lie and be totally naive and say: "She's 100% alive" but we do know there's a very good chance she's alive and while that chance is there we have to keep looking for her. We owe that... we all owe that to Madeleine; she's a little girl, you know, and we know from other cases, you know, there's a chance she's alive, so you have to keep going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVNOCQVfWA&feature=player_embedded
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You made the statement..Im asking you..you cant answer
Page 72 of 'Madeleine' " Refusing to acknowledge what I already knew.......I knew, deep down
Page 73: I knew, I knew .....We've let her down......we've failed her
Page 75: 'Had Madeleine been given some kind of sedative to keep her quiet? Had the twins, too?'
Page 77: Gerry was a mess......'she's gone, she's gone'
Page 77: While the officers looked around, Gerry called his sister, Trisha. As difficult as it was to tell our family, we knew we needed help from home, and quickly. '
Yes indeed. While one might reasonably have thought that the parents of a missing child would be scouring the resort in the hours following the disappearance, the McCanns are busy phoning people thousands of miles away leaving others to the fruitless task of searching.
Less than two hours after Madeleine is declared missing by her mother, the McCanns have already been in contact with the Foreign Office in London, the British Consulate in the Algarve and the British Embassy in Lisbon as well as family members thousands of miles away.
Rather than assisting those looking for their daughter in ther resort, the McCanns are busy contacting all sorts of people who are nowhere near where they allege their daughter was abducted, including the press.
It is also complete nonsense to suggest that in cases where children have been abducted by a stranger the abductors take the child miles away as soon as possible. On the contrary, people who have committed a crime can sometimes hang around the crime scene, even offering to 'help'. For example the awful Soham case.
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its quite easy...
What Kate is saying is that she cannot say 100% that maddie is alive..
I haven't seen the exact quote you are referring to..perhaps you have a link to it...
you have misunderstood what kate is saying...simple..or kate has phrased the statement badly...do you have alink to the exact words
Probably an error in translation.....
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Probably an error in translation.....
You mean like from Scouse to English ?
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In that youtube clip note the body language of the McCanns when asked whether they believe Madeleine is alive or not. Note Kate's inappropriate smile. The body doesn't lie.
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You mean like from Scouse to English ?
Just found Victimpool on the Urban Dictionary if that helps.
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In that youtube clip note the body language of the McCanns when asked whether they believe Madeleine is alive or not. Note Kate's inappropriate smile. The body doesn't lie.
Now that is something you can definitely ignore.
There was a programme in Britain the other night showing how we can come to the wrong conclusion about body language.
There was a man appealing for someone missing to come home and he smiled right the way through, he was INNOCENT.
Actually the Psychologist on the programme give her own opinion on the McCann's and her opinion was that the McCann's are 100% innocent.
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Now that is something you can definitely ignore.
There was a programme in Britain the other night showing how we can come to the wrong conclusion about body language.
There was a man appealing for someone missing to come home and he smiled right the way through, he was INNOCENT.
Actually the Psychologist on the programme give her own opinion on the McCann's and her opinion was that the McCann's are 100% innocent.
There are other forensic psychologists and body language experts who say to the contrary. 8)-)))
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Stephen, the man who was smiling was proved to be innocent.
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There are other forensic psychologists and body language experts who say to the contrary. 8)-)))
Indeed. No one can be 100% sure of anything that they haven't personally been involved in. They can only give an opinion, which is subject to error.
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SAO: Do you consider the posibility of, errm... Madeleine not being alive?
KM: Well, obviously there's a possibility because we don't know, errm... you know, we're not gonna sit here and lie and be totally naive and say: "She's 100% alive" but we do know there's a very good chance she's alive and while that chance is there we have to keep looking for her. We owe that... we all owe that to Madeleine; she's a little girl, you know, and we know from other cases, you know, there's a chance she's alive, so you have to keep going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVNOCQVfWA&feature=player_embedded
I don't see what your problem with understanding this is...what kate is saying is that she cant say 100% maddie is alive.. which is confirmed by what she says ...theres a chance shes alive.
Its clumsy language in a live interview...nothing more
Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really
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You don't seem to understand English...even amarals lawyer said she MAY be alive
I don't see what your problem with understanding this is...what kate is saying is that she cant say 100% maddie is alive.. which is confirmed by what she says ...theres a chance shes alive.
Its clumsy language in a live interview...nothing more
Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really
"You don't seem to understand English"
"Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really"
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Indeed. No one can be 100% sure of anything that they haven't personally been involved in. They can only give an opinion, which is subject to error.
SY have said the McCann's are not suspects.
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SY have said the McCann's are not suspects.
As did the PJ. Just before they were made arguidos...
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SY have said the McCann's are not suspects.
That is their opinion, it doesn't mean it is correct.
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As did the PJ. Just before they were made arguidos...
UK police have a very different modus operandi from Portuguese police. Mid-way through the investigation into the murder of Joana Yeates, her boyfriend Greg Reardon was commended by police as a first-class witness.
And the police meant it.
If British police entertain suspicions about anyone, they certainly don't go out of their way to issue false 'praise' or 'reassurance'.
They just stay silent.
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Yes Icabod, I was just about to book our summer holidays in Portugal to have a look-see for Madeleine, but now you've implied that she might be dead on this forum, I've decided to go to Barbados instead. I shall also be packing extra books, as I will not need to be using my eyes to scan the surrounding area for blonde children!
Icabod, I hope you feel guilty! You really should think befoe you type!
How facetious can you get !
The readers will judge you as they will judge me too.
So in your eyes it is fine to keep intimating that Madeleine is dead? Even tho it may stop people reporting any suspected sightings?
What an abysmal attitude
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How facetious can you get !
I'll assume that's a rhetorical question....
The readers will judge you as they will judge me too.
I certainly hope so!
So in your eyes it is fine to keep intimating that Madeleine is dead? Even tho it may stop people reporting any suspected sightings?
I don't believe for one moment that someone wouldn't report a sighting of Madeleine Mccan. I think that she's probably dead and has been so for many years. If I saw a child who I thought might be her, no matter how slim the chance, I'd report it and let the authorities do their job.
What an abysmal attitude
Less of the personal comments please Sadie, It's really not necessary.
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The statements are quite simple davel, they both know she is dead. If you can't see that then I reccommend you visit an opticians.
I think you're perhaps misunderstanding what GM has many times said WS. He says the evidence doesn't prove that she is and the AG in 2008 clearly agreed with him.
GM's statements are logical not intuitive.
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I think you're perhaps misunderstanding what GM has many times said WS. He says the evidence doesn't prove that she is and the AG in 2008 clearly agreed with him.
GM's statements are logical not intuitive.
Not very good logic considering he believes she was snatched by paedophiles. Just what did he expect would happen to her ?
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Not very good logic considering he believes she was snatched by paedophiles. Just what did he expect would happen to her ?
I agree but that's intuitive not logical. He means physical evidence that proves it.
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I agree but that's intuitive not logical. He means physical evidence that proves it.
Yes, there is no physical evidence that proves she is dead,
However there would appear to be some indications that she may have been less than one hundred percent alive before she left the apartment.
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I agree but that's intuitive not logical. He means physical evidence that proves it.
Hurrah
We both agree.
Have you got logical (Napier) blood?
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Not very good logic considering he believes she was snatched by paedophiles. Just what did he expect would happen to her ?
He was always very careful with the words he used I think, right from this first media statement (when he used the word disappearance not abduction) and he's been very careful ever since.
"Nobody should be allowed to say she's dead" he said (or words close to that, I can't remember the exact phrase) and that's very high on their current aims I think: trying to ensure it can't be said legally.
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Hurrah
We both agree.
Have you got logical (Napier) blood?
Not on much else though 8)--))
I have Dostoyevsky blood ?>)()<
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Yes, there is no physical evidence that proves she is dead,
However there would appear to be some indications that she may have been less than one hundred percent alive before she left the apartment.
I agree. Carlos Anjos agreed it was indicative, and perhaps if the case was in some US states that would have been enough for arrests, at least >@@(*&) American police wouldn't have been as polite as the Portuguese (GM sitting in the room for KM's interview? Nah, wouldn't happen in the USA. Or UK I expect).
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Not on much else though 8)--))
I have Dostoyevsky blood ?>)()<
Ahhh 8)-)))
A friendly person, I see ! ?>)()<
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He was always very careful with the words he used I think, right from this first media statement (when he used the word disappearance not abduction) and he's been very careful ever since.
Very true, one of traits that didn't endear him to some.
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How facetious can you get !
The readers will judge you as they will judge me too.
So in your eyes it is fine to keep intimating that Madeleine is dead? Even tho it may stop people reporting any suspected sightings?
What an abysmal attitude
Well if she isn't alive she must be dead? Surely even you can agree with that Sadie??
In modern times no child has ever been returned to her parents alive after so many years. For it to happen now to Madeleine would be a sheer miracle. I think we can safely say she is dead and what's more a court will confirm it later this year.
Question will be then - Who killed Madeleine McCann??
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He was always very careful with the words he used I think, right from this first media statement (when he used the word disappearance not abduction) and he's been very careful ever since.
"Nobody should be allowed to say she's dead" he said (or words close to that, I can't remember the exact phrase) and that's very high on their current aims I think: trying to ensure it can't be said legally.
When the coroners court declares her deceased there will no longer be any legal impediment.
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Yes, there is no physical evidence that proves she is dead,
However there would appear to be some indications that she may have been less than one hundred percent alive before she left the apartment.
Indications? Would you care to specify ?
Ah the doggies dont lie, do they? Trouble is that they mark for urine, saliva, semen, finger nails stc. in exactly the same way as for cadavar odour .... and Grimes made it clear that their marking was not a safe indicator of anything criminal ... or even death, it seems .
Just sad that Amaral didn't undestand ... or chose not to.
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Indications? Would you care to specify ?
Ah the doggies dont lie, do they? Trouble is that they mark for urine, saliva, semen, finger nails stc. in exactly the same way as for cadavar odour .... and Grimes made it clear that their marking was not a safe indicator of anything criminal ... or even death, it seems .
Just sad that Amaral didn't undestand ... or chose not to.
Whilst the child remains 'disappeared' there is no logical reason to presume the cadavor dog got it wrong
He is, statisically, and historically, more likely to have 'got it right' afterall
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Well if she isn't alive she must be dead? Surely even you can agree with that Sadie??
In modern times no child has ever been returned to her parents alive after so many years. For it to happen now to Madeleine would be a sheer miracle. I think we can safely say she is dead and what's more a court will confirm it later this year.
Question will be then - Who killed Madeleine McCann??
Anyone who isn't alive is dead. We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.
Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around. It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so. He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.
I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine. That little girl was NOT Bushra. The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong. See the way she sits
Also the video in Molenbeek . Walking around the bank. See the colours of the tartan of the kilt.
Interesting >@@(*&)
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Anyone who isn't alive is dead. We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.
Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around. It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so. He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.
I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine. That little girl was NOT Bushra. The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong. See the way she sits
Also the video in Molenbeek . Walking around the bank. See the colours of the tartan of the kilt.
Interesting >@@(*&)
That's your problem sadie, even when your theories have been comprehensively disproven you continue to hold onto them
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Anyone who isn't alive is dead. We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.
Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around. It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so. He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.
I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine. That little girl was NOT Bushra. The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong. See the way she sits
Also the video in Molenbeek . Walking around the bank. See the colours of the tartan of the kilt.
Interesting >@@(*&)
"Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around."
Unless the girl he was carrying was dead. In which case it is rather likely he was.
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Whilst the child remains 'disappeared' there is no logical reason to presume the cadavor dog got it wrong
He is, statisically, and historically, more likely to have 'got it right' afterall
No you are wrong. There is no reason to think he got it right. It was just a marking and could have been urine, saliva, sweat , anything along thase lines .... and you know it. Why are you pushing something thta is not indicative of the one thing.
As for statistics, we all know that the majority of child disapoearances are allied to parents ... but that still leaves a sizeable minority. I would hate to see you on a jury, Icabod, if you latch on to such woolley things as proof of any sort.How much urine, saliva, semen, finger nails was found at the location the dog indicated? None? Must just leave the cadaver scent then. Thanks for clearing that one up once and for all 8((()*/
How do you know buzz? how do you know if it was cadavar, either?
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"Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around."
Unless the girl he was carrying was dead. In which case it is rather likely he was.
Great logic there WSpam @)(++(*
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I don't see what your problem with understanding this is...what kate is saying is that she cant say 100% maddie is alive.. which is confirmed by what she says ...theres a chance shes alive.
Its clumsy language in a live interview...nothing more
Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really
It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says.
For instance:
''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
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Apparently to some people that means they are still suspects. Inexplicable logic.
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Anyone who isn't alive is dead. We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.
Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around. It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so. He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.
I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine. That little girl was NOT Bushra. The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong. See the way she sits
Also the video in Molenbeek . Walking around the bank. See the colours of the tartan of the kilt.
Interesting >@@(*&)
No, it's your imagination peeps.
Simples, init. 8**8:/:
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It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says.
For instance:
''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
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Apparently to some people that means they are still suspects. Inexplicable logic.
"It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says."
So Benice. What does this statement clearly say?
'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."
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How much urine, saliva, semen, finger nails was found at the location the dog indicated? None? Must just leave the cadaver scent then. Thanks for clearing that one up once and for all 8((()*/
They don't have to be there - only to have been in contact to leave a scent - or could be underground - like the milk teeth found in Jersey as a result of Eddie's alerts. This is why Martin Grimes repeatedly states that no evidential value can be given to those alerts unless there is evidence found to prove what it was Eddie alerted to i.e. scent from a decomposing dead body or scent from decomposing material from a live person.
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Furthermore Benice, seeing as you are so good at understanding stuff, could you tell me what on earth this rambling nonsense is all about?
Quote from: davel on Today at 02:09:16 PM
"Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really"
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Furthermore Benice, seeing as you are so good at understanding stuff, could you tell me what on earth this rambling nonsense is all about?
Quote from: davel on Today at 02:09:16 PM
"Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really"
Yes pure drivel, or should I say, davel ? 8)--))
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"It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says."
So Benice. What does this statement clearly say?
'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."
GM is saying there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead. In that statement he has obviously used the wrong word and said 'otherwise' instead of 'that'. To use that one word as proof that he meant something different to what it is quite obvious he was saying - is ridiculous.
If either of the McCanns had ever stated that there was no evidence that their daughter was alive and asked for a public acknowledgement of that fact - it would have been headline news.
Common sense please.
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They don't have to be there - only to have been in contact to leave a scent - or could be underground - like the milk teeth found in Jersey as a result of Eddie's alerts. This is why Martin Grimes repeatedly states that no evidential value can be given to those alerts unless there is evidence found to prove what it was Eddie alerted to i.e. scent from a decomposing dead body or scent from decomposing material from a live person.
You are aware that human bone was found in Jersey?
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You are aware that human bone was found in Jersey?
Also a coconut shell (outside the trained reaction range of the dog, but perhaps more fun ...)
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Utter nonsense!
You are shooting the messenger.
Quote from Martin Grime
My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD’s alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is ‘cadaver scent’ contaminant. This does not however suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence.
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You will notice that MG says it is 'suggestive that this is cadaver scent contaminant ''. He does not say ''this is suggestive of a cadaver'' - i.e. a dead body. This is because cadaverscent can be present for innocent reasons -and not necessarily associated with a dead body.
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Let it go Sadie, let little Bushra live in peace with her Moroccan parents. They even had to provide her birth certificate to nosey interferers last time round. How many more little Moroccan, Romanian or Turkish girls will this touch?
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It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says.
For instance:
''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
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Apparently to some people that means they are still suspects. Inexplicable logic.
All that is, is police talk for watch this space. 8(0(*
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Let it go Sadie, let little Bushra live in peace with her Moroccan parents. They even had to provide her birth certificate to nosey interferers last time round. How many more little Moroccan, Romanian or Turkish girls will this touch?
John I know enough about shape and shadows on faces to KNOW that wasn't Bushra ... and it looked mightily like Madeleine.
Sorry, but it is my right to mention what i believe is valid
There are people on here repeatedly going on about the dogs never lie etc. The etc. part is all rubbish as i suspect you know, yet they are allowed to express themselves
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That's not what you said though is it? You said the urine, saliva and god knows what else didn't have to be present therefore it could be any of them. That's not what MG is saying. MG is saying the indication can only be proven with corroborating evidence. Without the corroborating evidence it is merely suggestive. Pretty straightforward.
So where is the forensic evidence to suggest it is not cadaver scent?
You said none of the body parts which could have been present were found. I was merely pointing out that they could have been there but are no longer there. That doesn't exclude their residual scent still being detectable.
Martin Grime's statement does not specifically refer to the scent of dead bodies, it only refers to the scent of decomposition. The presence of a dead body is only one of several reasons for an alert.
No evidence was found to corroborate any of the cadaverscent alerts.
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Let it go Sadie, let little Bushra live in peace with her Moroccan parents. They even had to provide her birth certificate to nosey interferers last time round. How many more little Moroccan, Romanian or Turkish girls will this touch?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bushra+Binhisa&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mxvTUquRNdOAhAeToICIDA&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=728&bih=481
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John I know enough about shape and shadows on faces to KNOW that wasn't Bushra ... and it looked mightily like Madeleine.
Sorry, but it is my right to mention what i believe is valid
There are people on here repeatedly going on about the dogs never lie etc. The etc. part is all rubbish as i suspect you know, yet they are allowed to express themselves
Sadie forgets that that Spanish outfit were creating false sightings so as to keep the money flowing from the Madeleine Fund. A thoroughly despicable shower of cowboys for sure.
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Only if you're chucking balls at it! @)(++(*
Yeh and where did the coconut come from in the first place ALL those many years ago lol...not the sort of thing you would buy in your local shop in the oldie days....
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They don't have to be there - only to have been in contact to leave a scent - or could be underground - like the milk teeth found in Jersey as a result of Eddie's alerts. This is why Martin Grimes repeatedly states that no evidential value can be given to those alerts unless there is evidence found to prove what it was Eddie alerted to i.e. scent from a decomposing dead body or scent from decomposing material from a live person.
So Eddie the cadaver dog was reacting to "remnant scent" from saliva, semen, urine, sweat, nails, teeth etc? Really Benice.....youve excelled yourself in the making it up as you go along stakes, no need to answer.....but please dont quote Mr Grime or anyone else saying anything of the sort as its utter garbage and you know it! As is Grime ever saying(apart from blood nd semen) Eddie reacts to any of these things...its disinformation unless you can back it up and you cant
Better be careful, you could be responsible for the makings of a new suspect....drooling sweaty finger chewing dirty old who doesnt flush!!!
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The op poses the question : Is there any evidence at all which points to Madeleine being alive or dead ?
The answer is that there is some evidence that she may be dead
A dog that was trained to bark when he detected the 'smell of death' barked in the apartment where the missing child was last seen
Is that 'conclusive' evidence that the child died in that apartment ? ... No, it is not ... not without supporting forensic evidence
Is it suggestive that the child 'may' have died there ? ( regardless of the fact that corroborating forensic evidence was not found ) ... yes, it is
So then, in answer to the op, there is some evidence that might suggest the missing child is dead
Is there any evidence at all that suggests she is alive ? ... none that I can see
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The op poses the question : Is there any evidence at all which points to Madeleine being alive or dead ?
The answer is that there is some evidence that she may be dead
A dog that was trained to bark when he detected the 'smell of death' barked in the apartment where the missing child was last seen
Is that 'conclusive' evidence that the child died in that apartment ? ... No, it is not ... not without supporting forensic evidence
Is it suggestive that the child 'may' have died there ? ( regardless of the fact that corroborating forensic evidence was not found ) ... yes, it is
So then, in answer to the op, there is some evidence that might suggest the missing child is dead
Is there any evidence at all that suggests she is alive ? ... none that I can see
much maligned statistics that say NO, PLUS cadaver dog PLUS cold case PLUS suspicious circumstances PLUS no evidence she is alive....PLUS millions reward,, PLUS unprecented funds, PLUS three police forces, pis, what are the odds?
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Contrary to what Sadie constantly attempts to persuade us there is no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine is alive or where she might now be. There hasn't been a single confirmed sighting of her in over 6 years. Nobody has ever been interviewed who saw her after she disappeared. No suspect of the many interviewed has ever admitted coming across her. She has for all intents and purposes effectively vanished into thin air!!
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Contrary to what Sadie constantly attempts to persuade us there is no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine is alive or where she might now be. There hasn't been a single confirmed sighting of her in over 6 years. Nobody has ever been interviewed who saw her after she disappeared. No suspect of the many interviewed has ever admitted coming across her. She has for all intents and purposes effectively vanished into thin air!!
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Yes sadly, as though she never existed.
The thing for me is also one has to look at the odds.
IF she was taken by a pedophile I would say the odds for still being alive would be about 2%.
I fear she is with the angels sadly. x
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Yes sadly, as though she never existed.
The thing for me is also one has to look at the odds.
IF she was taken by a pedophile I would say the odds for still being alive would be about 2%.
I fear she is with the angels sadly. x
Angels or Pedophiles, one hell of a choice. There is the third option of taken as a substitute daughter though I would say she was a little old.
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Yeh and where did the coconut come from in the first place ALL those many years ago lol...not the sort of thing you would buy in your local shop in the oldie days....
Do coconuts migrate?
GUARD #1: Halt! Who goes there?
ARTHUR: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle
of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeator of the Saxons, sovereign
of all England!
GUARD #1: Pull the other one!
ARTHUR: I am. And this my trusty servant Patsy.
We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights
who will join me in my court of Camelot. I must speak with your lord
and master.
GUARD #1: What, ridden on a horse?
ARTHUR: Yes!
GUARD #1: You're using coconuts!
ARTHUR: What?
GUARD #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin'
'em together.
ARTHUR: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this
land, through the kingdom of Mercea, through--
GUARD #1: Where'd you get the coconut?
ARTHUR: We found them.
GUARD #1: Found them? In Mercea? The coconut's tropical!
ARTHUR: What do you mean?
ARTHUR: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin
or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter yet these are not
strangers to our land.
GUARD #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
ARTHUR: Not at all, they could be carried.
GUARD #1: What -- a swallow carrying a coconut?
ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk!
GUARD #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple
question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound
coconut.
ARTHUR: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master
that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here.
GUARD #1: Listen, in order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow
needs to beat its wings 43 times every second, right?
ARTHUR: Please!
GUARD #1: Am I right?
ARTHUR: I'm not interested!
GUARD #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
GUARD #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European
swallow, that's my point.
GUARD #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that...
ARTHUR: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court
at Camelot?!
GUARD #1: But then of course African swallows are not migratory.
GUARD #2: Oh, yeah...
GUARD #1: So they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway...
[clop clop]
GUARD #2: Wait a minute -- supposing two swallows carried it together?
GUARD #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line.
GUARD #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a standard creeper!
GUARD #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
GUARD #2: Well, why not?
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Yes sadly, as though she never existed.
The thing for me is also one has to look at the odds.
IF she was taken by a pedophile I would say the odds for still being alive would be about 2%.
I fear she is with the angels sadly. x
Would you think the same if this was your own daughter?
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Would you think the same if this was your own daughter?
You have to be realistic and the chances of Madeleine being alive are next to none.
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Contrary to what Sadie constantly attempts to persuade us there is no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine is alive or where she might now be. There hasn't been a single confirmed sighting of her in over 6 years. Nobody has ever been interviewed who saw her after she disappeared. No suspect of the many interviewed has ever admitted coming across her. She has for all intents and purposes effectively vanished into thin air!!
So it appears
BUT I have done an in-depth investigation using a method that it seems no one else thought of.
Enough to say that I believe her still alive a couple of years ago... and if she has been kept for that long, it is unlikely that she is dead now. It is difficult to kill anyone, but especially someone you have known for years.
It is up to you Angelo, if you wish to label Madeleine dead. 8)-)))
I do not, cos I believe her still alive. However I always know that I could be wrong.
Do you remember the recent report about a barrister attending a party in the UK where he talked with a friend who recounted being on a Mediterranean island and having met a man(also a friend IIRC) with Madeleine alongside him.
A meditteranean island lines up precisely with my findings.
Spread the word that Madeleine is dead, if that is what rocks your boat, Angelo.
And, in so doing, stop people reporting sightings of a child who is likely alive and findable.
As outlined above ... it is my belief she likely is alive ... and also Scotland Yards, it seems.
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So it appears
BUT I have done an in-depth investigation using a method that it seems no one else thought of.
Enough to say that I believe her still alive a couple of years ago... and if she has been kept for that long, it is unlikely that she is dead now. It is difficult to kill anyone, but especially someone you have known for years.
It is up to you Angelo, if you wish to label Madeleine dead. 8)-)))
I do not, cos I believe her still alive. However I always know that I could be wrong.
Do you remember the recent report about a barrister attending a party in the UK where he talked with a friend who recounted being on a Mediterranean island and having met a man(also a friend IIRC) with Madeleine alongside him.
A meditteranean island lines up precisely with my findings.
Spread the word that Madeleine is dead, if that is what rocks your boat, Angelo.
And, in so doing, stop people reporting sightings of a child who is likely alive and findable.
As outlined above ... it is my belief she likely is alive ... and also Scotland Yards, it seems.
You keep talking about your 'in depth investigation' and unique method ( you mean using google earth, don't you ? )
Yet when asked to elaborate on your 'investigation' you go all enigmatic and mysterious ... tapping your nose in an almost comical "If I tell you I'll have to kill you" sort of way
If you won't disclose the 'findings' you endlessly allude to, then what, exactly, is the point of banging on about them all the time
It's daft
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You keep talking about your 'in depth investigation' and unique method ( you mean using google earth, don't you ? )
Yet when asked to elaborate on your 'investigation' you go all enigmatic and mysterious ... tapping your nose in an almost comical "If I tell you I'll have to kill you" sort of way
If you won't disclose the 'findings' you endlessly allude to, then what, exactly, is the point of banging on about them all the time
It's daft
Sorry you feel that way, Icabod.
When someone / some peeps keep banging on about Madeleine being dead, do I not have the right to put my stance on the situation?
Banging on about her being dead with absolutely no proof. And ignoring the (admittedly limited) sightings. Even if she is legally labelled as dead in a few months time, that is just the legal side of things to tie up financial situations and for remarrying purposes. No doubt similar things happened to several children that went missing, (Natasha Kampusch etc) but have recently reappeared.
Because a child may be legally be declared dead, DOES NOT mean S/he is dead. Please dont forget that
You well know the reasons why I cannot be specific
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Sorry you feel that way, Icabod.
When someone / some peeps keep banging on about Madeleine being dead, do I not have the right to put my stance on the situation?
Banging on about her being dead with absolutely no proof. And ignoring the (admittedly limited) sightings. Even if she is legally labelled as dead in a few months time, that is just the legal side of things to tie up financial situations and for remarrying purposes. No doubt similar things happened to several children that went missing, (Natasha Kampusch etc) but have recently reappeared.
Because a child may be legally be declared dead, DOES NOT mean S/he is dead. Please dont forget that
You well know the reasons why I cannot be specific
No sadie, I do not know why you cannot be specific
If you 'can't' be specific then for heaven's sake stop with all the allusions to 'secret information' you have uncovered
What is the point of that ?
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i dont now if maddie is alive or dead but imo by saying maddie is alive and unharmed with abductors/s demeans maddie either alive or dead she is harmed imo by who nobody knows but imo maddie suffered either way
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No sadie, I do not know why you cannot be specific
If you 'can't' be specific then for heaven's sake stop with all the allusions to 'secret information' you have uncovered
What is the point of that ?
Be fair, sadie has said its a very elite man who is multilingual and protected by a huge organisation and who was responsible for several abductions in the algarve over a few years.....and sy wil have latched onto him or be asking the three burglars they will soon arrest if they know something.....
Eta I just remembered Sadie say the Mchael Shrimpton report, you onow the respected barrister and expert in the spy world, was important...seems Sadie you forget hes been on radio saying Maddie was killed years ago after being abused because she would recognise this elite high ranking person
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