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Offline faithlilly

What does that mean?  If I believe they didn't move what body?

It means if the body was not moved in the car later.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

A good article in the Sunday Times about the documentary, written by someone with personal insight and a great deal of sense:

Netflix’s Disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be solving nothing
March 17 2019, 12:01am,
A new documentary about the McCanns does little except recycle cruel speculation about them, says David James Smith, who covered the tragedy for The Sunday Times

Kate McCann with Madeleine, who disappeared on a family holiday when she was three
Kate McCann with Madeleine, who disappeared on a family holiday when she was threeTRANSWORLD PUBLISHERS
We still do not know what happened to Madeleine McCann — and a controversial new Netflix documentary about the three-year-old’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007 seems unlikely to get us any closer to an answer.

The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann — all eight episodes of it — was released on Friday. I had hoped the series would provide a corrective to some of the nonsense still put about on Twitter and elsewhere about Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

We see the beleaguered couple in news footage, looking increasingly drawn and haunted as they realise Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria are out to get them.

But the series practises a deception by not making it explicit — so far as I can see — that Gerry and Kate McCann declined to participate. Their friends from the holiday, the so-called Tapas Seven, and Clarence Mitchell, their longstanding PR man, are also conspicuous by their absence.

It took me a while to get to the heart of the story myself, when I set off for the seaside resort of Praia da Luz for The Sunday Times Magazine in the weeks after Madeleine had gone missing. By the time I arrived, British journalists were camped out in a bar that served as an unofficial press room.

I recall the reporter from the Express was always the last to leave, serving the daily demand of his news editor for a banner headline for the morning paper. In those conditions, it seemed to me that a kind of collective madness overtook the press.

Amaral: court battle with the McCanns
Amaral: court battle with the McCannsNEWS GROUP
A prominent role in the documentary is given to Goncalo Amaral, the one-time investigation head, who appears to have convinced himself the couple were guilty. He is still the hero of the social media McCann-[ censored word ]s, and the McCanns continue to pursue him through the Portuguese courts over claims repeated in his book The Truth of the Lie.

It was only right that the McCanns and their friends be considered as suspects. But we have never been presented with any evidence that any of them had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

I used to try to imagine how two people, surrounded by friends, and soon after by the police and the world’s press, could have harmed their daughter, kept quiet about it, and somehow shielded everyone from that tragedy and its aftermath, presumably involving the callous disposal of their daughter’s body. Or perhaps the friends were all in on it too, and every one of them has carried that secret in a conspiracy for the past 12 years. Some people actually believe this outlandish theory. Or perhaps, as I came to believe, the terrible events unfolded just as the McCanns always said they had, with all the normal discrepancies and contradictions in time and memory that follow when several people experience the same traumatic event at once.

I have a notebook somewhere, which I lent to Gerry McCann one evening as he explained what happened that night and drew a plan of the apartment where they were staying. I have a memory, too, of returning to his home in Leicestershire, briefly, while waiting for a taxi, and being in the kitchen with him and Mitchell, where Kate McCann had left two plates of food for them, covered in clingfilm. On the fridge — more than six months after her disappearance — was Madeleine’s star chart for going to bed with good behaviour.

I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them.

The truth is out there. I know that Madeleine’s parents cling to the hope that she is alive somewhere, maybe too old now, aged 15, to remember much of her first three years. Sadly, it is more likely she is dead, her body buried or destroyed. Scotland Yard still has an open investigation.

The problem with Netflix’s documentary is that, when it comes to this case, there is currently nothing new to know or to say. There is only speculation.

"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

I require a Cite for Self Confessed Liar.  Otherwise I shall delete this and any other references to it.

“We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. “
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

You're boss but a lie is a lie and Gerry's blog had it's fair share also.
If people can't accept the truth, what's the point?

I shall let this comment go.  But this will be the last time on this subject.

Offline G-Unit

For all you know that could have been reiterated but edited out ... he had no editorial say in what ended up on screen.

If true, then neither did anyone else, including Amaral. It seems we can't take anything said in this series as true.
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Offline Eleanor

I doubt very much if the initial investigation would have been conducted any differently from Madeleine's and Joana's disappearances.
Netflix linked them.
Netflix  went to the trouble of replicating the reconstitution showing the alleged dismemberment of Joana and the impossibility of the eight year old's body fitting in the fridge.

Fridge ~ pigs ~ publicity ~ unfound children and mothers ... ring any bells?

I am pleased that they mentioned Joana.  Cristovao said that it was human blood in the Cipriano Fridge.  I don't know how he thought he knew because No Forensics were done.

Offline Eleanor

It means if the body was not moved in the car later.

So where did The McCanns stow the body in the meantime?

Offline G-Unit

I have no idea why these stroppy sceptics even post here.  They would be far happier grumbling away to each other on their sceptic forums with no nasty supporters to challenge their views or ask awkward questions.

The same applies to supporters. Stopthemyths is ready and waiting! If, as it claims, it's an Open Forum it does appear pretty quiet, however.
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Offline faithlilly

So where did The McCanns stow the body in the meantime?

In the meantime ? There was only one site of disposal.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

In the meantime ? There was only one site of disposal.

Nonsense.  No proof what so ever of this.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

The same applies to supporters. Stopthemyths is ready and waiting! If, as it claims, it's an Open Forum it does appear pretty quiet, however.
I think you misunderstand.  I have no problem at all engaging with sceptics, that’s why I’m here.  I’m referring to those stroppy sceptics on here who can’t bear to have their posts questioned or to engage in debate about their views by supporters.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

“We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. “
Now compare that with Amaral’s lies and his subsequent confession.  Oh there wasn’t one.  He has never admitted to lying once.  The snake!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Brietta

I shall let this comment go.  But this will be the last time on this subject.
I was following on behind you Eleanor and removed it before I saw your post, as being inappropriate language for this forum.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

A good article in the Sunday Times about the documentary, written by someone with personal insight and a great deal of sense:

Netflix’s Disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be solving nothing
March 17 2019, 12:01am,
A new documentary about the McCanns does little except recycle cruel speculation about them, says David James Smith, who covered the tragedy for The Sunday Times

Kate McCann with Madeleine, who disappeared on a family holiday when she was three
Kate McCann with Madeleine, who disappeared on a family holiday when she was threeTRANSWORLD PUBLISHERS
We still do not know what happened to Madeleine McCann — and a controversial new Netflix documentary about the three-year-old’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007 seems unlikely to get us any closer to an answer.

The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann — all eight episodes of it — was released on Friday. I had hoped the series would provide a corrective to some of the nonsense still put about on Twitter and elsewhere about Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

We see the beleaguered couple in news footage, looking increasingly drawn and haunted as they realise Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria are out to get them.

But the series practises a deception by not making it explicit — so far as I can see — that Gerry and Kate McCann declined to participate. Their friends from the holiday, the so-called Tapas Seven, and Clarence Mitchell, their longstanding PR man, are also conspicuous by their absence.

It took me a while to get to the heart of the story myself, when I set off for the seaside resort of Praia da Luz for The Sunday Times Magazine in the weeks after Madeleine had gone missing. By the time I arrived, British journalists were camped out in a bar that served as an unofficial press room.

I recall the reporter from the Express was always the last to leave, serving the daily demand of his news editor for a banner headline for the morning paper. In those conditions, it seemed to me that a kind of collective madness overtook the press.

Amaral: court battle with the McCanns
Amaral: court battle with the McCannsNEWS GROUP
A prominent role in the documentary is given to Goncalo Amaral, the one-time investigation head, who appears to have convinced himself the couple were guilty. He is still the hero of the social media McCann-[ censored word ], and the McCanns continue to pursue him through the Portuguese courts over claims repeated in his book The Truth of the Lie.

It was only right that the McCanns and their friends be considered as suspects. But we have never been presented with any evidence that any of them had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

I used to try to imagine how two people, surrounded by friends, and soon after by the police and the world’s press, could have harmed their daughter, kept quiet about it, and somehow shielded everyone from that tragedy and its aftermath, presumably involving the callous disposal of their daughter’s body. Or perhaps the friends were all in on it too, and every one of them has carried that secret in a conspiracy for the past 12 years. Some people actually believe this outlandish theory. Or perhaps, as I came to believe, the terrible events unfolded just as the McCanns always said they had, with all the normal discrepancies and contradictions in time and memory that follow when several people experience the same traumatic event at once.

I have a notebook somewhere, which I lent to Gerry McCann one evening as he explained what happened that night and drew a plan of the apartment where they were staying. I have a memory, too, of returning to his home in Leicestershire, briefly, while waiting for a taxi, and being in the kitchen with him and Mitchell, where Kate McCann had left two plates of food for them, covered in clingfilm. On the fridge — more than six months after her disappearance — was Madeleine’s star chart for going to bed with good behaviour.

I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them.

The truth is out there. I know that Madeleine’s parents cling to the hope that she is alive somewhere, maybe too old now, aged 15, to remember much of her first three years. Sadly, it is more likely she is dead, her body buried or destroyed. Scotland Yard still has an open investigation.

The problem with Netflix’s documentary is that, when it comes to this case, there is currently nothing new to know or to say. There is only speculation.

The McCann's are not pursuing anyone through the Portuguese Courts any more.
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Offline Brietta

If true, then neither did anyone else, including Amaral. It seems we can't take anything said in this series as true.
Amaral is well used to appearing on camera and putting his point over.  The fact his version very often did not concur with what others were also saying directly to camera was one of the very first things I noticed on Netflix.

As I said he should have thought very carefully of giving it a miss ... much as the emperor should have thought carefully about enhancing his new outfit with an all concealing cloak before venturing out in public 'wearing' it.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....