A Room With A View...

[Mr Gray]

But this is hardly reliable info.  Were they told the shutters had been jemmied or was this just an assumption on their part made on the basis of late night tel calls in the immediate aftermath?  Does anyone continue to believe the shutters were jemmied?

I've listened to an audio clip where Jill Renwick talks about the shutters but I can't recall whether she mentioned them being jemmied or not.  I will endeavor to find it. 

Is there any evidence the shutters were jemmied by way of the official investigations, forensic tests etc?  I don't believe there is so the shutters were obviously not jemmied and wires have been crossed?

Afaiac... The mccanns thought the shutters were security shutters and therefore if they had been opened from the outside some degree of force must have been used... So when they said in frantic phone calls that the shutters had been forced this was repeated in Chinese whisper fashion and jemmied... Broken etc entered reality... Sceptics in general here don't accept this explanation and seem to want to suggest the mccanns lied

[The General]

But this is hardly reliable info.  Were they told the shutters had been jemmied or was this just an assumption on their part made on the basis of late night tel calls in the immediate aftermath?  Does anyone continue to believe the shutters were jemmied?

I've listened to an audio clip where Jill Renwick talks about the shutters but I can't recall whether she mentioned them being jemmied or not.  I will endeavor to find it. 

Is there any evidence the shutters were jemmied by way of the official investigations, forensic tests etc?  I don't believe there is so the shutters were obviously not jemmied and wires have been crossed?

I think it was a Kate Garraway ITV morning interview - Jill's using a word she has never encountered, and is a little embarrassed. I'll try to find the link.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sceptics have chosen to believe the McCamm's friends and relatives, Supporters have chosen not to.

Gerry's sister, The Sin, 4th May'
“He said ’Madeleine’s been abducted, she’s been abducted’.
“The door was lying open, the window in the bedroom and the shutters had bee\n jemmied open...

Jill Renwick, friend, Evening Stndard 4th May,
The shutters had been broken open ...
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/NEWS_REPORT_INDEX.htm

I find this sceptic/supporter thing is unhelpful and rather childish.  I don't wish to be pigeonholed in this way and prefer to remain objective looking at soft and hard facts. 

I think it unlikely McCanns/T7 were directly responsible for MM's disappearance but I would be foolish to completely rule it out since I have no firm evidence to do so.  And I most certainly do not want to be termed a 'supporter' especially since I know so little about the case.

[faithlilly]

I think it was a Kate Garraway ITV morning interview - Jill's using a word she has never encountered, and is a little embarrassed. I'll try to find the link.

There’s a whole thread on the subject here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2724.15. You may find the interview there.

[Holly Goodhead]

Afaiac... The mccanns thought the shutters were security shutters and therefore if they had been opened from the outside some degree of force must have been used... So when they said in frantic phone calls that the shutters had been forced this was repeated in Chinese whisper fashion and jemmied... Broken etc entered reality... Sceptics in general here don't accept this explanation and seem to want to suggest the mccanns lied

Ok thanks for the explanation. 

[sadie]

Which would surely mean that family members and friends were all mistaken in unison. Or were lying in unison. (Jill, Phil, et al)

Or simply repeating what Gerry in his initial distraught state believed.   

What I cant understand is why are you all making such a lot out of this Jemmied thing ?


Poor bloke must have been near out of his mind at that time, especially as he believed someone had broken in (to abduct his lovely daughter)   At that time he thought that the shutters were a security measure and that they could not be opened from outside, so they had to have been forced/ jemmied.   He must have very near demented with dreadful thoughts.  At this time his thoughts would have been passed on to his friends.

Hence the unison.   NORMAL in such circumstances IMO


They were more concerned about the search than examining the shutters .... and once the PJ  and maybe the GNR got involved the place was taped off and they no longer could.

AIMO

[sadie]

Or simply repeating what Gerry in his initial distraught state believed.   

What I cant understand is why are you all making such a lot out of this Jemmied thing ?


Poor bloke must have been near out of his mind at that time, especially as he believed someone had broken in (to abduct his lovely daughter)   At that time he thought that the shutters were a security measure and that they could not be opened from outside, so they had to have been forced/ jemmied.   He must have very near demented with dreadful thoughts.  At this time his thoughts would have been passed on to his friends.

Hence the unison.   NORMAL in such circumstances IMO


They were more concerned about the search than examining the shutters .... and once the PJ  and maybe the GNR got involved the place was taped off and they no longer could.

AIMO

ETA:  Sorry, Davel beat me to it!

[jassi]

IMO its all to do with first impressions for the benefit of the public - the place had been broken into, whereas the truth was that it had been left unlocked and unattended for periods of time

[The General]

Or simply repeating what Gerry in his initial distraught state believed.   

What I cant understand is why are you all making such a lot out of this Jemmied thing ?


Poor bloke must have been near out of his mind at that time, especially as he believed someone had broken in (to abduct his lovely daughter)   At that time he thought that the shutters were a security measure and that they could not be opened from outside, so they had to have been forced/ jemmied.   He must have very near demented with dreadful thoughts.  At this time his thoughts would have been passed on to his friends.

Hence the unison.   NORMAL in such circumstances IMO


They were more concerned about the search than examining the shutters .... and once the PJ  and maybe the GNR got involved the place was taped off and they no longer could.

AIMO

But Gerry was concerned about examining the shutters, the undamaged shutters, that's the point.
As for 'making such a lot of this jemmied thing'; I'm not, I'm discussing it in a thread on a forum about the disappearance of MM.
Perhaps we should publish a list of all of the topics considered 'proibido'.

[John]

Afaiac... The mccanns thought the shutters were security shutters and therefore if they had been opened from the outside some degree of force must have been used... So when they said in frantic phone calls that the shutters had been forced this was repeated in Chinese whisper fashion and jemmied... Broken etc entered reality... Sceptics in general here don't accept this explanation and seem to want to suggest the mccanns lied

Gerry is an intelligent chappie and as far as we know he inspected the shutter shortly after Madeleine's disappearance.  He would have seen how the shutter works and if unlocked it can be lifted up from the outside. In Portugal shutters are primarily used to keep the sun out, if you require enhanced security you install security bars or rejas.

Added below as an attachment. Apartment 5a now has a security grill on the front bedroom window.

[Holly Goodhead]

IMO its all to do with first impressions for the benefit of the public - the place had been broken into, whereas the truth was that it had been left unlocked and unattended for periods of time

Yes I see where you're coming from - good point. 

[faithlilly]

IMO its all to do with first impressions for the benefit of the public - the place had been broken into, whereas the truth was that it had been left unlocked and unattended for periods of time

Imagine they’d told the truth straight of the bat....that they’d facilitated the dreadful fate that had befallen their cherished grandchild/niece/goddaughter. I think they knew what the reaction would have been.....and it wouldn’t have been sympathy.

[The General]

Imagine they’d told the truth straight of the bat....that they’d facilitated the dreadful fate that had befallen their cherished grandchild/niece/goddaughter. I think they knew what the reaction would have been.....and it wouldn’t have been sympathy.

There is a fly in this ointment, however. Why change the story to 'break in'? That would prove a knee-jerk reaction to finding their daughter missing i.e. they had no prior knowledge of her being missing up to the point Kate raised the alarm. The revisionism is only required in this instance and not if something else occurred and they had time to create a narrative.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Your degree of twisting suggests that you do think it important -IMO

What twisting would that be?  For the record I don’t think it’s remotely important.  Do you?

[Vertigo Swirl]

IMO its all to do with first impressions for the benefit of the public - the place had been broken into, whereas the truth was that it had been left unlocked and unattended for periods of time

Do you seriously believe that the general public was on his mind when he was on the phone to his sister?!