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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2019, 04:27:53 PM »
Well if you state your opinion, however unpalatable that might be to some, I don't see the problem?  We have  'free speech' in this country.  I don't see how your opinion could be considered defamatory or libellous when no one knows for sure what happened to MM other than MM and those directly responsible for her disappearance, so I would encourage you to go for it.

The McCanns have sued the likes of Amaral over his book and the tabloid press as they're in a position of influence, we're not.  The McCanns would look pretty damn sad if they tried suing individuals for allowing others to offer up an opinion on an online discussion forum.  I doubt the law would be on their side and it would undoubtedly backfire on them. 

I'm not sure I fancy playing the role of a child abductor  8(8-))

I think you will find we dont have free speech on the forum...amaral was found guilty of perjury but when I have said he has lied my posts ahve been removed under the excuse of libel

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2019, 04:36:24 PM »
I think you will find we dont have free speech on the forum...amaral was found guilty of perjury but when I have said he has lied my posts ahve been removed under the excuse of libel
Strange.   Slarti was cool with claiming Clarence lied this morning.  Most odd....  *%87
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2019, 04:38:33 PM »
I think you will find we dont have free speech on the forum...amaral was found guilty of perjury but when I have said he has lied my posts ahve been removed under the excuse of libel

I will have to consult with the boss over where the line is drawn.  Other boards I've posted on here eg Bamber, Rettendon Murders aka Essex Boys and Jill Dando have been fairly relaxed.  As a moderator I prefer not to censor posts unless it is absolutely necessary.  I like to encourage all opinions and views. 

Do you need to use the word lie?  Can you not just say I believe Amaral is wrong and explain why you believe this to be the case? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline jassi

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2019, 04:44:39 PM »
Supporters just love to use the lie word and scream libel at every opportunity - IMO
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2019, 05:01:08 PM »
Supporters just love to use the lie word and scream libel at every opportunity - IMO
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2019, 05:13:11 PM »
Well if you state your opinion, however unpalatable that might be to some, I don't see the problem?  We have  'free speech' in this country.  I don't see how your opinion could be considered defamatory or libellous when no one knows for sure what happened to MM other than MM and those directly responsible for her disappearance, so I would encourage you to go for it.

The McCanns have sued the likes of Amaral over his book and the tabloid press as they're in a position of influence, we're not.  The McCanns would look pretty damn sad if they tried suing individuals for allowing others to offer up an opinion on an online discussion forum.  I doubt the law would be on their side and it would undoubtedly backfire on them. 

I'm not sure I fancy playing the role of a child abductor  8(8-))

Stick around on the forum and what you will find is that I know that I don't know what happened, so I don't have an opinion.

PS We have never run a child abductor mystery party.  It's adults only, including both murdered and murderer.  We leave the children with ....

 *%87
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2019, 05:19:34 PM »
I will have to consult with the boss over where the line is drawn.  Other boards I've posted on here eg Bamber, Rettendon Murders aka Essex Boys and Jill Dando have been fairly relaxed.  As a moderator I prefer not to censor posts unless it is absolutely necessary.  I like to encourage all opinions and views. 

Do you need to use the word lie?  Can you not just say I believe Amaral is wrong and explain why you believe this to be the case?

he was convicted of false testimony in court,,...thats lying

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2019, 06:48:18 PM »

Available time to move body depends upon accuracy of the timeline, which, IMO , was devised solely by the T9


Is anyone suggesting that Madeleine was deliberately harmed ?
Holly is eliminating that as a motive as I read it.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2019, 08:03:06 PM »
So here is this perp sitting in his/her room with a view. At what moment would s/he decide it was time to have a go at this abduction?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2019, 08:12:34 PM »
So here is this perp sitting in his/her room with a view. At what moment would s/he decide it was time to have a go at this abduction?

From 'a room with a view', there are 3 distinct windows of opportunity.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2019, 12:05:31 AM »
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Don't let opinion upset you so much.
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Offline kmc

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2019, 12:49:52 AM »
I think the purpose of opening the window/shutter was staged by the abductor to throw investigators, McCanns and even the likes of us into thinking maybe the window/shutter was used as an entry/exit point as opposed to the unlocked patio door. 

But how could anyone abduct twins from creche/kids club or whatever it was referred to when numerous others were around? 

MM was abducted from 5a during the hours of approx 9pm - 10pm  from 5a because the abductor knew she was home alone and could gain access through the unlocked patio door.  This was a totally different situation to the day care provided for twins by MW.

I would think your “room with a view” theory is as likely to be a member of staff as a guest.     As in my opinion, if it was an abduction scenario then the MOST  likely reason to open a shutter that was not used to either enter or exit, may have been to detract from it looking like an “inside job” , i.e. use of a key.  (Like Sadie I don't believe the sliding door was used - too many stairs, too much light etc.)

I personally believe that in an abduction scenario there was more than one perp - but at least one of them worked at the Ocean Club.  (The wages that some of them mention seem very low…so I guess if there was the possibility of financial gain, it may have been hard to resist - especially if you were mainly a look out person etc.).

This could also explain also why the keys for block 5 supposedly mysteriously disappeared from the maintenance department for at least a period of time during that particular week.  (This was reported in the media years later, which was also odd because they were supposedly under lock and key in a safe that could only be accessed by maintenance workers).

Additionally, on the Wednesday evening Rachel Oldfield was home ill directly next door to 5A.    She heard no crying….so Madeleine may have been confused about which night she had actually woken.  (That being the case, then the two evenings noted for disturbances i.e. Tuesday and Thursday, would have been on two of the nights that the entirety of the Tapas group were together at dinner.   I think the only other night was Monday, but that was also the first time in the holiday that they had all dined together, without the children as the Sunday night Matt Oldfield was ill).

Talking of Matt, his check on 3rd May bugs me not just because he said the door was ajar but because his wife claimed in one of her statements that her husband had checked the parents room to see if M was sleeping there. Matt does not mention this in his statement.   He claims that the door was ajar, that he didn’t enter the room but observed both twins and that he was distracted by books on his way out.   However, due to the nature of the fabric surrounding the travel cots - he would only have seen both twins if he came further into the room, than he  seems to have remembered.  So I believe that if his wife’s statement is correct - I can only imagine that some part of his subconscious may have clocked that M was not in the room....but maybe after checking the parents room - he became temporarily distracted by the books and left without re-checking.  If that is the case, in all likelihood he would have been embarrassed directly after the abduction and possibly adjusted his recollection accordingly. 

If that was the case, it could mean there was only a 20 minute abduction window between 21.10 and 21.30.

There is also one other statement that really bugs me - Neil Berry claims a girl helped him and Raj erect a cot some time between 19.00 and 20:00 on 3rd May.  Neil claimed her boyfriend worked for the maintenance dept and was called “Rob”.  Yet there is no maintenance man called Rob - in fact I don’t think any member of staff was called Rob.   (Neil may have remember the name incorrectly).   However, from the other statements I can only find two maintenance workers who mention girlfriends that worked at the complex - Tiago and Nuno (Hayley May Crawford was Nuno's boyfriend - not sure who Tiago’s girlfriend was). 

Anyway, Hayley’s statement does not fit with Neil's timeline and Tiago says he stayed at his girlfriend’s house in Burgau that night - and that they both learned about the abduction on their way to work the following day.    Yet the other maintenance worker Miguel says that on 3rd May at 18.20 he travelled in the company of Tiago to Burgau.  (He does not mention Tiago's girlfriend, so I am not sure if she was still working or already at home). 

If the girl Neil Berry talks about was on duty between 19.00 and 20.00, I can only assume she was likely doing a late shift and would have learned about the abduction - yet from what I can see from the maintenance workers, only Nuno (someone called him looking for a torch) and Silvia Batista’s husband admit to learning about the incident on the actual night - the other maintenance workers seemed to learned about it the following morning - mostly I think from the head of maintenance).    Anyhow, maybe its a "nothing burger"…..but it annoys me that I can’t work out who the girl is!


Offline misty

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2019, 01:47:25 AM »
The maintenance man whose girlfriend helped erect the travel cot was called Robert Cook. He was a Mark Warner staff member. There is no statement from him in the files.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2019, 02:31:49 AM »
Nuno -
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NLNO-CONCEIGAO.htm  Name "NUNO FILIPE GUERREIRO DA CONCEICAO"
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Offline G-Unit

Re: A Room With A View...
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2019, 05:51:58 AM »
From 'a room with a view', there are 3 distinct windows of opportunity.

Could you identify them please?
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