A Room With A View...

[The General]

I think Sadie reckons these people do this for a living.  They are experienced kidnappers who can sus  out the situation quickly.

Look, I'm all for people having a go, even, as Sadie has, going and touching and sniffing, which is commendable in itself. But I also believe that all rational thought is dispensed with once a theory has been decided upon and dogma takes hold.
I don't believe a crack band of abductors positioned themselves in an overlooking apartment waiting on their prey. If this unlikely scenario were to play out, this highly organised unit would not be faffing about observing anything. Certainly not hiring a holiday let in the name of K Templar, Rosslyn, Midlothian. As for procuring a special key from a complicit member of staff? The back door was literally open. Our elite grab team didn't deem it necessary to check if the doors were unlocked?

[G-Unit]

Look, I'm all for people having a go, even, as Sadie has, going and touching and sniffing, which is commendable in itself. But I also believe that all rational thought is dispensed with once a theory has been decided upon and dogma takes hold.
I don't believe a crack band of abductors positioned themselves in an overlooking apartment waiting on their prey. If this unlikely scenario were to play out, this highly organised unit would not be faffing about observing anything. Certainly not hiring a holiday let in the name of K Templar, Rosslyn, Midlothian. As for procuring a special key from a complicit member of staff? The back door was literally open. Our elite grab team didn't deem it necessary to check if the doors were unlocked?

I absolutely agree. I've seen very few theories which follow the evidence. Most of them contain a lot of speculation and rely on inventing, ignoring or denying evidence.

[Mr Gray]

I absolutely agree. I've seen very few theories which follow the evidence. Most of them contain a lot of speculation and rely on inventing, ignoring or denying evidence.

That's your opinion... You rate the dog alerts and statement discrepancies as significant.. I dont... And as the parents, aren't suspects I don't  think either police force does

[G-Unit]

That's your opinion... You rate the dog alerts and statement discrepancies as significant.. I dont... And as the parents, aren't suspects I don't  think either police force does

What I do is pay attention to all the evidence rather than trying to explain away that which I don't like. I don't invent watchers, getaway cars and abductors either like some.

[Mr Gray]

What I do is pay attention to all the evidence rather than trying to explain away that which I don't like. I don't invent watchers, getaway cars and abductors either like some.

I haven't invented anyone either... You decide which evidence you choose to believe and give significance to.. The dogs and the statements... I think you are, wrong on both.

[Vertigo Swirl]

What I do is pay attention to all the evidence rather than trying to explain away that which I don't like. I don't invent watchers, getaway cars and abductors either like some.

Madeleine has disappeared.  There must be a reason for it, so what do you believe the evidence tells us?

[Mr Gray]

What I do is pay attention to all the evidence rather than trying to explain away that which I don't like. I don't invent watchers, getaway cars and abductors either like some.

When I quoted Harrison yesterday you tried to EXPLAIN AWAY  his, statement by INVENTING the idea someone had got to him... You are guilty of the things you accuse others of... Imo

[Mr Gray]

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[G-Unit]

Madeleine has disappeared.  There must be a reason for it, so what do you believe the evidence tells us?

I agree with the conclusion of the archiving report;

we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[Mr Gray]

I agree with the conclusion of the archiving report;

we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

So do I... We can't state with certainty what happened.
However it seems both police forces believe the parents are not involved...

[G-Unit]

When I quoted Harrison yesterday you tried to EXPLAIN AWAY  his, statement by INVENTING the idea someone had got to him... You are guilty of the things you accuse others of... Imo

Harrison contradicted himself. How do you explain it?

[Mr Gray]

Harrison contradicted himself. How do you explain it?

I don't believe he did... I think Grime has contradicted himself... How do you explain that..  Am I even allowed to post that.. Fortunately  your post makes it difficult ti censor mine

[G-Unit]

So do I... We can't state with certainty what happened.
However it seems both police forces believe the parents are not involved...

That depends what 'not suspects' means in police speak. Does it mean 'not involved' or is that just your interpretation?

[G-Unit]

I don't believe he did... I think Grime has contradicted himself... How do you explain that..  Am I even allowed to post that.. Fortunately  your post makes it difficult ti censor mine

Beiief v evidence? I'll stay with the evidence.

[The General]

That's your opinion... You rate the dog alerts and statement discrepancies as significant.. I dont... And as the parents, aren't suspects I don't  think either police force does

I disagree.
The dogs alerts, even in their flimsiest form, don't jive with the official narrative. So 'significant', to coin your phrase means, in this case, incongruent. So the police, given their expertise in such matters, will also know that the dog alerts are at odds with the theory of an abduction.
Whether anyone puts any store in the circumstantial evidence provided by the dogs, and, let's never forget that 1. that's what they were brought in for, and 2. I doubt anybody expected them to 'find' anything, any investigation has to somehow square that circle.

In addition, it is a product of the failings on the part of a number of parties, in collection and analysis of the forensic evidence and the failure to adequately preserve the scene (and the obvious fact that she's still missing), why the mystery prevails.