The Science Of Sleep - Does It Offer A Better Explanation Than Sedation?

[Miss Taken Identity]

No that is an emphatic no.

It wasn't the first night they left the patio door unlocked AFAIK.

So the difference in the Thursday night was that they told Madeleine where they were.  Where she could come and find them if she is worried during the night.

aw Rob... tsk!

The point is "she could come and find them if she is worried during the night."  implying expecting light sleepers to wake up!

I rest my case.

[Robittybob1]

aw Rob... tsk!

The point is "she could come and find them if she is worried during the night."  implying expecting light sleepers to wake up!

I rest my case.

So I was right, it was a "No that is an emphatic no".

[Miss Taken Identity]

So I was right, it was a "No that is an emphatic no".

Sorry Rob, it can't be as you saiod AFAYK. I am of the impresssion from what I read Kate told people this on the night MBM disappeared.  we both maybe right or wrong...

[The General]

No that is an emphatic no.

It wasn't the first night they left the patio door unlocked AFAIK.

So the difference in the Thursday night was that they told Madeleine where they were.  Where she could come and find them if she is worried during the night.

Kinell, that's worse!
Might as well have said 'stap greetin wee ya, an watch the twuns fer mammy an daddy'.

[Erngath]

Sorry Rob, it can't be as you saiod AFAYK. I am of the impresssion from what I read Kate told people this on the night MBM disappeared.  we both maybe right or wrong...

Just checking something.
When I type Made which is only one letter longer than MBM, then immediately my predictive text gives me the option of using her name.
And all of this on my useless little phone.

[The General]

Just checking something.
When I type Made which is only one letter longer than MBM, then immediately my predictive text gives me the option of using her name.
And all of this on my useless little phone.

Sure sign that you've been at this a long time, sister.

[Erngath]

Sure sign that you've been at this a long time, sister.

Possibly.
Perhaps it's long experience of being with and interacting.with children that makes me sensitive to any.child being reduced to being named.by their initials.

[ShiningInLuz]

Possibly.
Perhaps it's long experience of being with and interacting.with children that makes me sensitive to any.child being reduced to being named.by their initials.

Why have you done it then?

And yes, I will be happy to look up your posts where you have done.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kinell, that's worse!
Might as well have said 'stap greetin wee ya, an watch the twuns fer mammy an daddy'.

   as they were doctors they would have said it in a more posh accent  lol. glaswegian brawl and scousey.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Why have you done it then?

And yes, I will be happy to look up your posts where you have done.

 Supporters boring, off topic, goading posts are best ignored. They seek attention and try to engage in verbal warfare- sad and pathetic but true.

ps Kate called her daughter 'little m'

[Robittybob1]

Sorry Rob, it can't be as you saiod AFAYK. I am of the impresssion from what I read Kate told people this on the night MBM disappeared.  we both maybe right or wrong...

I find our little aside discussion goes right back to page 2 so it is very much on topic.
It began with a Quote from: Faithlilly on June 30, 2019, 10:31:10 AM
"Don’t tell me you are going to play the ‘do you have a cite game’. I think it’s common knowledge that the McCanns, being the only ‘normal’ parents, left their children vulnerable in an unsecured apartment so they didn’t wake them by going through the locked door."
This was followed by VS:
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 30, 2019, 11:15:12 AM
I didn’t ask for a cite, I asked you to tell me.  You have declined to do so.

Why do you think the children were more vulnerable than the others?  Why should leaving the door unlocked make them any more vulnerable?  Please explain.

Then I stepped in:
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 30, 2019, 12:43:32 PM
If I'm allowed to step in, I think the McCann children were more vulnerable because the other people who knew that the door was unlocked worried about the kids and hence started to interfere.

Then you replied to me:
Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 30, 2019, 01:05:46 PM
Okay let us reel this back.
Why did Kate leave  the door unlocked?
because it was to allow Maddie to go and get them if she and other children woke up crying
Why would that be?
because as the mother, she knew the children had been awake and crying previously.
Is this correct yes or no... or emphatic No!
Having monitored the childrens sleep patterns since birth- making an informed evaluation of those occurances, and analysing the outcomes is a  direct established scientific  remit."

Because the line Is this correct yes or no... or emphatic No!sounded very much like a question to Gerry, I replied like it was Gerry speaking:
Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 30, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
No that is an emphatic no.

It wasn't the first night they left the patio door unlocked AFAIK.

So the difference in the Thursday night was that they told Madeleine where they were.  Where she could come and find them if she is worried during the night.

I coloured that red as it is now the focus of your attention.  When did Kate and Gerry first open the patio door?  When did they discuss telling their friends that Madeleine was allowed to come to the Tapas if she was awake, when would Kate have told Madeleine where they were?

Quote from: Miss Taken Identity on June 30, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
"aw Rob... tsk!
The point is "she could come and find them if she is worried during the night."  implying expecting light sleepers to wake up!
I rest my case. "

OK you rested your case.
So my rebuttal was:
"Quote from: Robittybob1 on June 30, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
So I was right, it was a "No that is an emphatic no".

Not quite finished you come back with:
"Sorry Rob, it can't be as you said AFAYK. I am of the impression from what I read Kate told people this on the night MBM disappeared.  we both maybe right or wrong...
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In my understanding:
The patio door had been unlocked for several nights IMO.
Kate discussed let Madeleine know where to come that day.

So I believe the friends of the McCanns were not comfortable with Kate's decision to let Madeleine come out of the house to look for her parents.  I believe that is why in my theory they decided to interfere.

Was there more surveillance of the McCann apartment than we are officially told about?  That has been the objective of my research for the last 3 years.  What happened What did they do?  How did Madeleine react to what they were doing?
I know Matt did a check at 9:30.  How did Madeleine react to that?  Did she recognise Matt as a "friend"?  Was the fact of him going into other rooms disturbing to her?  Where was she at the time?
He left by the Patio door so maybe she decided the best option was to go out the front door and tell her Mum a strange man was back in the apartment.

[slartibartfast]

The greater the checking the less likely abduction.

[Robittybob1]

The greater the checking the less likely abduction.

The greater the checking the more likely woke and wandered then an accident of some sort IMO.

[jassi]

The greater the checking the more likely woke and wandered then an accident of some sort IMO.

Would depend upon when this 'accident' happened. -IMO

[faithlilly]

Do you think that the McCann were heartless and reckless to leave their daughter alone the night after she told them that she had been crying because she woken up and they were not there ?