Author Topic: The Science Of Sleep - Does It Offer A Better Explanation Than Sedation?  (Read 17739 times)

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Offline Lace

There was also a suggestion that the parents sedated them to stop them waking up crying. Some one mentioned calpol, which isn't a sedative, however, parents can sedate their children with adult prescribed drugs.

I am not suggesting or implying the McCanns drugged their children- it was just something which provoked a thought by Kate mentioning it.


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How do you know they 'knew their children were light sleepers'   Kate said Madeleine slept very well and if she did wake up it was the early hours of the morning.   I think the words from Madeleine's mother means a lot more than yours do.

Yes but I wasn't there so I WAS going by the mothers and daughters evidence!  mum didn't want to put the light onnin case she woke the children?    DShe also claimed Her daugher asked where they wre when Sean woke up crying?  please,

Kate thought her children had been drugged because she found a stain on Madeleine's pyjama top the morning of the 3rd of May. 

No, kate thought they were drugged that night. read her book !

Who said Madeleine had been abducted through the window? 

The family said it! 


Everyone would search for the child before calling the Police,  as soon as she wasn't found the Police were called.

who is 'everyone'?  If you scream your daughter has been abducted you call the police FIRST  or do you come from a different school of thought?



If you insist on  picking my post apart;  arm yourself with a reasonable argument and not a pile of tosh.


Quote from Kate's statement 6th May 2007 -

When asked about the schedule of her children she says that in England Madeleine slept in a room by herself and the twins slept in another room. At home the twins go to bed between 7 and 7.30 PM, Madeleine half an hour later. During the holidays, the three children went to bed at 7:30PM. She says that during the holidays it is relatively easy to put the three children to sleep when they had not slept during the day and were tired after the day's activities. When on holiday the twins and Madeleine went to sleep at the same time. They never went out to eat unless the three were actually asleep. Normally when they left the apartment the three children had been asleep close to 1 hour. With the exception of what has been described above, during the holidays, she does not remember if any of the children was awake during the night. However, in England Madeleine sometimes woke up during the night, around 2 ' 2:30 AM and went to her parents. During holidays it was normal for the children to be awake by 7:30/8:00, in England, at home, they would normally wake between 7 and 7:30 AM.


Kate says 'sometimes Madeleine sometimes woke up during the night,   around 2-2.30am  and went to her parents'.     

Without their usual naps during the day,  Kate says it was easy to get the children off to sleep.

Maybe the light would wake the children,  that doesn't mean Madeleine wouldn't have slept until the early hours if the light hadn't been turned on.   Sean woke her crying,  Madeleine didn't wake up by herself it was her brother who woke her up.

The family may have said that Madeleine was abducted through the window,  but it wasn't the McCann's.

Have the read what it says in the 'what to do when a child disappears'   they say to search first before calling the Police.

Offline The General

That is a lot of stars there.
I believe Kate mentioned there should have been more stars, as the stars were actually too big for the list of numbers (7 as opposed to 10).
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Offline G-Unit

Everything you know about Madeleine you know from her parents, two people who you also appear to believe are liars and untrustworthy.  Ironic innit.

Very true! So was what they said logical and consistent? They both said that Madeleine only woke up after her parents were in bed. Even so, Gerry assumed she had got up at 9:05 when he found her bedroom door had moved. At 10:00 Kate thought the same.

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Offline Lace

Very true! So was what they said logical and consistent? They both said that Madeleine only woke up after her parents were in bed. Even so, Gerry assumed she had got up at 9:05 when he found her bedroom door had moved. At 10:00 Kate thought the same.



As an afterthought,  in Gerry's case he thought Madeleine had got up to use the toilet,  in which case needing the toilet would have woken her up.    In Kate's case it was a last thought,  maybe one of the twins had woken her up again,  she was used to sleeping alone in her own bedroom.  IMO

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As an afterthought,  in Gerry's case he thought Madeleine had got up to use the toilet,  in which case needing the toilet would have woken her up.    In Kate's case it was a last thought,  maybe one of the twins had woken her up again,  she was used to sleeping alone in her own bedroom.  IMO

In both cases they assumed that she had woken up before they would have expected her to. Therefore they weren't confident that she would sleep until they returned.
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Offline faithlilly

This is interesting

‘With the exception of what has been described above, during the holidays, she does not remember if any of the children was awake during the night.’

Didn’t Gerry say that Madeleine awoke and came through to their room on the Tuesday (?) night ? Was that a piece of retrofitting to explain Mrs Fenn’s statement? When did we learn of Madeleine coming to her parent's room ? Was it the first anniversary interviews?

It was in Gerry’s arguido interview.

‘--- When asked, he says that on one night, he cannot say which, Madeleine slept in his room in his bed. He thinks it might have been shortly after their arrival at the apartment. Madeleine came to his room saying that Amelie was crying and she couldn't sleep. He thinks that he hadn't heard crying before, and was alerted to this by Madeleine. He does not know if he or his wife comforted Amelie. That night Madeleine slept in his bed.’

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Offline pathfinder73

Tuesday is a thorn in their side.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Tuesday is a thorn in their side.


Yes, so many things were different that day to previous ones, though interestingly, its  mainly the others in the group that changed their routine - almost as if distancing themselves from the McCanns.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

I believe Kate mentioned there should have been more stars, as the stars were actually too big for the list of numbers (7 as opposed to 10).

The point is staying in bed all night was an issue. Madeleine was known to wake up and go to her parents (room), IMO. She must have woken up the night she cried for over an hour.

Offline The General

The point is staying in bed all night was an issue. Madeleine was known to wake up and go to her parents (room), IMO. She must have woken up the night she cried for over an hour.
Totally speculative, but, generally, kids will kick off if they see mummy and daddy moonwalking out the door, so they must've tried to get them off to sleep prior to exiting through an indeterminate door.
The would have had to adopt the old ninja parent routine: shoes off, creep towards the door incrementally, Special Forces training kicking in, hand signals only at this stage - wait out - slowly slide open the pre-marged up patio door, when outside leap over wall in to undergrowth, ninja roll out of it, spring up, put shoes on, skip down the road.
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