Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.

[Mr Gray]

But that didn’t happen as Grime, and the judge, presented the evidence and let the jury decide.

Have you watched the programme yet ? Grime is very clear about the dog’s capabilities and role in court proceedings.

Btw you still haven’t answered this question ‘So what is the ‘little’ they do have in common, IYO ?‘ about what links the two cases.

The little they have in common is obvious...and what they don't have in common is obvious
According  to the paper grime told the judge the dog had never had a false positive... Was this told to the jury too
Do you have a link to the video I'm interested

[Mr Gray]

IMO if Bianca Jones' DNA was found in the same location as the dog alerted MG would consider that as confirmation.
"confirmed by the finding of DNA etc ..."

Does that mean Bianca is dead?   No I don't think it does.  https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/defenders/witnesses-say-baby-ruled-dead-in-father-s-murder-trial-6-years-ago-is-still-alive  That would be a weird one.

I'm not sure if the DNa remark applies to the CSI dog... It's in his 189 page white paper which I've skim read
Obviously  finding the girls DNA in the car does not confirm death.  I think we should not take all of Grimes claims literally without clarification.  Obviously if a cadaver dog alerted to an apartment where Maddie had never known to have been and her DNA was found there that would be more indicative

[Miss Taken Identity]

The problem with admitting Grimed evidence is that if it was found the judge misunderstood Grimes claims it could result in a mistrial and Lane going free.. What a victory fir the dogs that would be

I understand where you are comming from Davel, but the judge did not misunderstand anything, It was a jury decision based on what they saw and the witness statement of the 8 year old girl. a lot of circumstancial evidence made it difficult to not find that ratfaced 'father' guilty.

[Robittybob1]

I'm not sure if the DNa remark applies to the CSI dog... It's in his 189 page white paper which I've skim read
Obviously  finding the girls DNA in the car does not confirm death.  I think we should not take all of Grimes claims literally without clarification.  Obviously if a cadaver dog alerted to an apartment where Maddie had never known to have been and her DNA was found there that would be more indicative

Was Morse on his own in the US?  Was he part of a combination of Cadaver dog plus a CSI dog? 

For sure the Jury may have it wrong, but it wouldn't be the first case of wrongful conviction, but if Bianca is alive find her.  That will be the sort of evidence needed to over turn the conviction.

[Mr Gray]

I understand where you are comming from Davel, but the judge did not misunderstand anything, It was a jury decision based on what they saw and the witness statement of the 8 year old girl. a lot of circumstancial evidence made it difficult to not find that ratfaced 'father' guilty.

I agree with much of what you say... But judges have to be careful not prejudicing a trial by allowing inadmissible evidence... That could allow a guilty person to walk free

[Mr Gray]

Was Morse on his own in the US?  Was he part of a combination of Cadaver dog plus a CSI dog? 

For sure the Jury may have it wrong, but it wouldn't be the first case of wrongful conviction, but if Bianca is alive find her.  That will be the sort of evidence needed to over turn the conviction.

If it was decided at a later date Grimes evidence should not have been admitted a mistrial could be declared... That could mean a guilty man walking free due to grime and his dog

[Mr Gray]

Grime has presented those alerts as evidence when he has previously said the alerts have no evidential value..
I doubt Lanes attorney is, aware of that

[faithlilly]

The little they have in common is obvious...and what they don't have in common is obvious
According  to the paper grime told the judge the dog had never had a false positive... Was this told to the jury too
Do you have a link to the video I'm interested

It’s Netflix. Do you have a subscription?

[Robittybob1]

Grime has presented those alerts as evidence when he has previously said the alerts have no evidential value..
I doubt Lanes attorney is, aware of that

Unless you have word of word what was said in court, i.e the court transcript, I think you are libelling Martin Grime and hence bringing the forum into disrepute.

[Miss Taken Identity]

If it was decided at a later date Grimes evidence should not have been admitted a mistrial could be declared... That could mean a guilty man walking free due to grime and his dog

That is a very good point. I am wary of that myself.

 However , in this instance Grime does not say the cadaver scent belongs to anyone.only that the dog did alert to scent. Amazingly, directly at a car in a compound of many cars. And it was part of 'circumstancial evidence' which was collated. Hence why he was found guilty.

[Robittybob1]

If it was decided at a later date Grimes evidence should not have been admitted a mistrial could be declared... That could mean a guilty man walking free due to grime and his dog

If it was declared a mistrial, wouldn't they have another trial and present the evidence correctly.  If there is not enough evidence to convict him, he would be found not guilty as per the law.

[Mr Gray]

Unless you have word of word what was said in court, i.e the court transcript, I think you are libelling Martin Grime and hence bringing the forum into disrepute.

In his white paper.. Jan 18...grime says again uncorroborated alerts should not be accepted as evidence.. Everything I'm saying is factual

[Mr Gray]

If it was declared a mistrial, wouldn't they have another trial and present the evidence correctly.  If there is not enough evidence to convict him, he would be found not guilty as per the law.

A new trial us a possibility but it cod be argued that due to all the adverse publicity he would not get a fair trial... So he would walk free

[barrier]

Following the evidentiary hearing, the trial court denied Lane's motion to exclude the cadaver dog evidence. At trial, the trial court instructed the jury to consider the cadaver dog evidence carefully and not to convict Lane solely on the basis of that evidence.

So I would think the judge is well aware of the dogs ability's.

[Robittybob1]

In his white paper.. Jan 18...grime says again uncorroborated alerts should not be accepted as evidence.. Everything I'm saying is factual

Therefore we have to assume in the absence of the court transcript that Grime was satisfied the alert was corroborated.