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Offline G-Unit

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #435 on: July 10, 2019, 01:28:58 PM »
I've provided cites today. Grime said ni evidential reliability... Are you saying a prosecutor can overide that

Have you provided copied and pasted cites with links to the original documents?

A prosecutor decides whether to use evidence, not a dog handler.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #436 on: July 10, 2019, 01:33:06 PM »
He said as much when he was asked to reply to several questions put forward by forum members.  He said that he couldn't reply because it was a live enquiry and that answering questions in the public domain might jeopardize any subsequent trial.
I know he is an expert but to me that doesn't make him an "expert witness".  I'm going to have to study expert witnesses again.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #437 on: July 10, 2019, 01:45:49 PM »
I know he is an expert but to me that doesn't make him an "expert witness".  I'm going to have to study expert witnesses again.

According to his linked in profile he is under contract ss, an expert witness to the FBI canine programme

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #438 on: July 10, 2019, 01:49:43 PM »
Have you provided copied and pasted cites with links to the original documents?

A prosecutor decides whether to use evidence, not a dog handler.
Could the alerts which have been described as having no evidential value or reliability be admitted as evidence

Do you need a cite for no evidential reliability
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #439 on: July 10, 2019, 01:51:31 PM »
Have you provided copied and pasted cites with links to the original documents?

A prosecutor decides whether to use evidence, not a dog handler.

I have on several occasions as you well know... If posters have such short memories there's little I can do about it

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #440 on: July 10, 2019, 01:53:50 PM »
According to his linked in profile he is under contract ss, an expert witness to the FBI canine programme
OK he can be called as an expert witness, but if he is out there in the field with his dogs I'd be surprised if he is called as anything more than a witness.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #441 on: July 10, 2019, 01:56:15 PM »
OK he can be called as an expert witness, but if he is out there in the field with his dogs I'd be surprised if he is called as anything more than a witness.

What di you think the difference is

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #442 on: July 10, 2019, 02:03:20 PM »
What di you think the difference is
I'll get back to you on that  it after 1:00 AM here. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #443 on: July 10, 2019, 05:27:22 PM »
Could the alerts which have been described as having no evidential value or reliability be admitted as evidence

Do you need a cite for no evidential reliability

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #444 on: July 10, 2019, 06:16:22 PM »
Yes and yes.

remember you are stating opinion...and its obviously  wrong imo
Harrisson says...

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

harrison is very clear...no infernce and no evidential value..

are you suggsting harrison is wrong..

how can evidence be admitted taht is described by experts as having no evidential relaibility or value

in the netflix...Grime again refers to the alerts as intelligence...not evidence




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Offline barrier

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #445 on: July 10, 2019, 06:37:54 PM »
There's another case coming up in the US where the defence has attempted to deny evidence of dogs,the judge overruled and its to be allowed.



A judge overseeing the trial of Mark Redwine, a Vallecito man accused of killing his 13-year-old son, Dylan, upheld a decision this week to allow evidence obtained by sniffing dogs at trial, despite the defense’s argument that such evidence is unscientific and unreliable.


https://pinerivertimes.com/articles/101902
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #446 on: July 10, 2019, 06:42:06 PM »
There's another case coming up in the US where the defence has attempted to deny evidence of dogs,the judge overruled and its to be allowed.



A judge overseeing the trial of Mark Redwine, a Vallecito man accused of killing his 13-year-old son, Dylan, upheld a decision this week to allow evidence obtained by sniffing dogs at trial, despite the defense’s argument that such evidence is unscientific and unreliable.


https://pinerivertimes.com/articles/101902

its interesting,...I dont think the judge has made  a final decision yet...one to  watch

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #447 on: July 10, 2019, 07:13:55 PM »
Jst because courts adnit evidence it does not mean its reliable


www.innocenceproject.org/overturning-wrongful-convictions-involving-flawed-forensics/



The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.

Of 28 examiners with the FBI Laboratory’s microscopic hair comparison unit, 26 overstated forensic matches in ways that favored prosecutors in more than 95 percent of the 268 trials reviewed so far, according to the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL) and the Innocence Project, which are assisting the government with the country’s largest post-conviction review of questioned forensic evidence.

The cases include those of 32 defendants sentenced to death. Of those, 14 have been executed or died in prison, the groups said under an agreement with the government to release results after the review of the first 200 convictions
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what a damning report

Offline G-Unit

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #448 on: July 10, 2019, 07:41:26 PM »
remember you are stating opinion...and its obviously  wrong imo
Harrisson says...

However, it must be stated any such indications without any physical evidence to support them can not have any evidential value, being unconfirmed indications. Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.


www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

harrison is very clear...no infernce and no evidential value..

are you suggsting harrison is wrong..

how can evidence be admitted taht is described by experts as having no evidential relaibility or value

in the netflix...Grime again refers to the alerts as intelligence...not evidence

I wonder if someone had a word with him? He said the above after Eddie alerted. This is what he said before Eddie alerted. This is what Harrison said before the searches took place.

23/07/2007
"In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed."
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #449 on: July 10, 2019, 07:45:55 PM »
I wonder if someone had a word with him? He said the above after Eddie alerted. This is what he said before Eddie alerted. This is what Harrison said before the searches took place.

23/07/2007
"In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed."
www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

conspiracy theory...Of course it may suggest....just as the statistics for children who are harmed might suggest its the parents wh are responsible...but that is not evidence...its intelligence