Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Was Grime not aware of the child car seats in the Scenic or Lane's borrowed Marquis? How many of the other vehicles in each respective line-up contained child seats?
IMO Eddie was far more interested in the Skoda Fabia, the vehicle next in line in Luz to be examined. He returned to it several times but was repeatedly called away.

Nah... totally different behaviour around the two cars. People need to accept that 90-100% of the time the dogs will alert correctly. The dogs don’t lie.

[Mr Gray]

Nah... totally different behaviour around the two cars. People need to accept that 90-100% of the time the dogs will alert correctly. The dogs don’t lie.

Dogs don't lie... But humans do

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Dogs don't lie... But humans do

Grime has no reason to. If you want to create reasonable doubt at least try to argue something that’s a little bit more credible than nappies, urine, beef, shrimp and Grime the lying bent copper!!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Nah... totally different behaviour around the two cars. People need to accept that 90-100% of the time the dogs will alert correctly. The dogs don’t lie.

Dogs do lie actually.
https://www.indy100.com/article/your-dog-can-lie-to-get-treats-and-food-new-study-animal-cognition-8295566

[Robittybob1]

Yes if you combine the smith sighting which corroborates the alerts it's enough to put Gerry in the slammer for 20

Are you deliberately being stupid Davel?  Are you doing your irony thing again?  How could Smith sighting corroborate the dog alerts?

Did the Smiths suggest the girl was deceased?
Did they positively identify Gerry?
Did they positively id Madeleine?
What happened to Gerry's alibi for the time of the sighting?

[Robittybob1]

Dogs do lie actually.
https://www.indy100.com/article/your-dog-can-lie-to-get-treats-and-food-new-study-animal-cognition-8295566

That is a neat experiment.   I was a little surprised they called that behaviour lying.

[Mr Gray]

Grime has no reason to. If you want to create reasonable doubt at least try to argue something that’s a little bit more credible than nappies, urine, beef, shrimp and Grime the lying bent copper!!

Didn't mention grime.. But urine contains cadaverine

[Robittybob1]

Didn't mention grime.. But urine contains cadaverine

Its not cadaverine that a cadaver dog alerts to, otherwise they would bark at all dead animals and patches of urine which in the end are virtually everywhere with kids and pets.

[Mr Gray]

Its not cadaverine that a cadaver dog alerts to, otherwise they would bark at all dead animals and patches of urine which in the end are virtually everywhere with kids and pets.

Are you saying a cadaver dig will not react to cadaverine... I think that requires a cite... It may be in normal urine the concentration is just to small

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Dogs do lie actually.
https://www.indy100.com/article/your-dog-can-lie-to-get-treats-and-food-new-study-animal-cognition-8295566

Hahaha - that has nothing to do with trained and accredited cadaver dogs. The dogs would be of no use to the Police if they often gave false alerts. The alerts are circumstantial. The Police are interested in finding material for forensics to examine. They don't want them barking randomly for treats. Dear me!!

[Robittybob1]

Are you saying a cadaver dig will not react to cadaverine... I think that requires a cite... It may be in normal urine the concentration is just to small

I'd say no one truly knows what a cadaver dog smells when he reacts.  Obviously he senses all the odours that are present.  You can't just smell the one thing.  Cadaverine would indicate the smell indicates something is dead, but is it a dead rat or mouse or a dead human.

Put up 3 vials of urine, I think most humans will tell you if the urine was from a rat or a mouse or a human.
The difference is not cadaverine which will have the same chemical structure no matter what the source.

[Mr Gray]

I'd say no one truly knows what a cadaver dog smells when he reacts.  Obviously he senses all the odours that are present.  You can't just smell the one thing.  Cadaverine would indicate the smell indicates something is dead, but is it a dead rat or mouse or a dead human.

Put up 3 vials of urine, I think most humans will tell you if the urine was from a rat or a mouse or a human.
The difference is not cadaverine which will have the same chemical structure no matter what the source.

The question is would a cadaver dog react ti very stale convenrated human urine... The answer I think is no one knows

[Robittybob1]

The question is would a cadaver dog react ti very stale convenrated human urine... The answer I think is no one knows

Urine as you know is mostly water so the first thing is the water would evaporate off.   Cadaverine if you look up Google is a liquid/gas too so it will evaporate off too.  I don't think the cadaverine will be what remains as the odour.

[Mr Gray]

Urine as you know is mostly water so the first thing is the water would evaporate off.   Cadaverine if you look up Google is a liquid/gas too so it will evaporate off too.  I don't think the cadaverine will be what remains as the odour.

Without a test we don't know

[jassi]

This is obviously a test for SIL's cadaver dog. See if it reacts to stale urine.