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Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #555 on: July 12, 2019, 08:42:29 PM »
No one knows what Eddie alerts to if nothing is found
So effectively what you're saying  is that you won't be fully satisfied until the dogs can speak English and also confirm that what they can smell is human cadaver. "Yes, Martin, don't talk to me like those other dumb mutts. As I said earlier, I can smell it in this cupboard and over there over by that couch. Can I have a biscuit now, you lying, extorting, perjuring embellisher?'
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #556 on: July 12, 2019, 08:54:57 PM »
For these dogs the target scent is human decomposition... But they also alert to blood and decomposing pig...so there isn't a single well defined target scent
I still think if you read the White Paper properly you would say "decomposing blood" and not just "blood".

it is possible some cadaver dogs being trained on decomposing pig carcasses continue to alert to a decomposed pig carcass or porcine body parts but not mean from pigs remember. 
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #557 on: July 12, 2019, 08:57:50 PM »

Woman stands by boyfriend even after he ‘tossed her murdered baby nephew in trash’

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/12/woman-stands-by-boyfriend-even-after-he-tossed-her-baby-nephews-corpse-in-trash-10225891/

Another child abducted from bed, found in the landfill. Imagine my surprise.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #558 on: July 12, 2019, 09:02:04 PM »
I still think if you read the White Paper properly you would say "decomposing blood" and not just "blood".

it is possible some cadaver dogs being trained on decomposing pig carcasses continue to alert to a decomposed pig carcass or porcine body parts but not mean from pigs remember.

Grime uses the word blood in his statements... And also in the white paper so I'll stick to blood

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #559 on: July 12, 2019, 09:13:41 PM »
Grime uses the word blood in his statements... And also in the white paper so I'll stick to blood
Only because he had previously defined it as decomposed blood.
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Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #560 on: July 12, 2019, 09:20:27 PM »
Only because he had previously defined it as decomposed blood.
Gotta describe technical stuff in layman terms when giving statements.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #561 on: July 12, 2019, 09:29:25 PM »
Woman stands by boyfriend even after he ‘tossed her murdered baby nephew in trash’

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/12/woman-stands-by-boyfriend-even-after-he-tossed-her-baby-nephews-corpse-in-trash-10225891/

Another child abducted from bed, found in the landfill. Imagine my surprise.

Interesting find.  Thanks for flagging it up.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #562 on: July 12, 2019, 09:31:35 PM »
Only because he had previously defined it as decomposed blood.

The dogs alert to dried blood ...

Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #563 on: July 12, 2019, 09:32:57 PM »
The dogs alert to dried blood ...
Not urine?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #564 on: July 12, 2019, 09:41:00 PM »
So effectively what you're saying  is that you won't be fully satisfied until the dogs can speak English and also confirm that what they can smell is human cadaver. "Yes, Martin, don't talk to me like those other dumb mutts. As I said earlier, I can smell it in this cupboard and over there over by that couch. Can I have a biscuit now, you lying, extorting, perjuring embellisher?'

It's quite simple really.The McCanns said cadaver dogs are unreliable. Therefore those who support them agree and will never accept that they're wrong imo.
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Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #565 on: July 12, 2019, 09:44:06 PM »
It's quite simple really.The McCanns said cadaver dogs are unreliable. Therefore those who support them agree and will never accept that they're wrong imo.
I know and that's fine. Davros wants scientific certainty, that's also fine. But the courts are working on 'beyond reasonable doubt' and that's the important 'gold standard'. They're a detection tool and that's what they're used for - to great effect.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #566 on: July 12, 2019, 09:49:41 PM »
I know and that's fine. Davros wants scientific certainty, that's also fine. But the courts are working on 'beyond reasonable doubt' and that's the important 'gold standard'. They're a detection tool and that's what they're used for - to great effect.
"Beyond all reasonable doubt" isn't as high a standard as "beyond all doubt" as Davel wants it to be.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #567 on: July 12, 2019, 11:25:01 PM »
No one knows what Eddie alerts to if nothing is found

Tell that to SY who used cadaver dogs and spent millions looking for a body. What are you playing at SY! Why would you think a proven cadaver dog was alerting to cadaver scent!  *%87



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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #568 on: July 12, 2019, 11:40:44 PM »
"Beyond all reasonable doubt" isn't as high a standard as "beyond all doubt" as Davel wants it to be.
Even science relies on theories and uses them as a standard. The Big Bang is a theory. Evolution. Quantum. Relativity. All postulated and only a theory until proven. Dogs can't talk but alert to what they're trained to alert. In the meantime we use them.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #569 on: July 13, 2019, 08:08:29 AM »
It's quite simple really.The McCanns said cadaver dogs are unreliable. Therefore those who support them agree and will never accept that they're wrong imo.

Grime has said the alerts have no evidential reliability so it's grime who is in effect saying the alerts, are not reliable