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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #165 on: July 08, 2019, 01:51:32 AM »
It doesn't. The PJ didn't release any information about Tannerman either until 25th May 2007, the day before 3 of the Smiths flew to Portugal to make further statements. Smiths described a man wearing clothing very similar to Tannerman, carrying a young girl wearing pyjamas. Do you not think that if the PJ had released the description of Tannerman in the early hours of 4th May, the Smiths could have been prompted into immediate contact with the PJ?

Your question from was "why didn't the PJ want to find Smithman between 3rd May and 6th September?".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #166 on: July 08, 2019, 01:55:10 AM »
He ignores the Smithman sighting for months at his Press Conferences. Yet displays to the public other "suspects" quite happily.
Do you have any idea when the McCanns and Clarence would have been aware of Smithman?  I find the dates need to be matched with what is public knowledge.
I'm just a bit exhausted ATM so I can only hope someone will investigate the dates - Thanks.
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Offline misty

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #167 on: July 08, 2019, 01:57:09 AM »
Your question from was "why didn't the PJ want to find Smithman between 3rd May and 6th September?".

OK. I'll rephrase it to make it easier for you. Why didn't the PJ want to find Smithman before making the McCanns official suspects?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #168 on: July 08, 2019, 01:59:32 AM »
OK. I'll rephrase it to make it easier for you. Why didn't the PJ want to find Smithman before making the McCanns official suspects?

What makes you think they didn't investigate further?

Offline misty

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #169 on: July 08, 2019, 02:05:44 AM »
What makes you think they didn't investigate further?

There is nothing in the files to suggest PJ carried out any further enquiries about the Smith sighting from 26th May until October 2nd 2007. If you can supply evidence to the contrary I will be happy to concede the point.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #170 on: July 08, 2019, 02:19:43 AM »
There is nothing in the files to suggest PJ carried out any further enquiries about the Smith sighting from 26th May until October 2nd 2007. If you can supply evidence to the contrary I will be happy to concede the point.
Even getting the till receipts was late in the piece wasn't it. I think the PJ knew it couldn't be Gerry at 10:00 as he had an alibi then.
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Offline misty

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #171 on: July 08, 2019, 02:30:01 AM »
Even getting the till receipts was late in the piece wasn't it. I think the PJ knew it couldn't be Gerry at 10:00 as he had an alibi then.
The till receipts & restaurant booking sheet weren't obtained until October 2007. Prior to that, PJ did not seem at all interested in either the Smith family sighting or their timeline for that night, something which flies in the face of good detective work. The sighting reportedly occurred within the same hour as Madeleine's disappearance & the descriptions provided were uncannily similar to Jane's sighting. Why wasn't it important until MS decided the man may well have been Gerry - did the PJ originally give the Smith family the same lack of credibility they gave Jane?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #172 on: July 08, 2019, 05:28:13 AM »
The till receipts & restaurant booking sheet weren't obtained until October 2007. Prior to that, PJ did not seem at all interested in either the Smith family sighting or their timeline for that night, something which flies in the face of good detective work. The sighting reportedly occurred within the same hour as Madeleine's disappearance & the descriptions provided were uncannily similar to Jane's sighting. Why wasn't it important until MS decided the man may well have been Gerry - did the PJ originally give the Smith family the same lack of credibility they gave Jane?
Think about the other thread, how GA was trying to discover what happened to the bag.  If he is convinced Madeleine was smuggled out in the bag in the wardrobe that had to be after the photos were taken. 
So Goncalo can't really be exploring the two together.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #173 on: July 08, 2019, 06:47:50 AM »
He ignores the Smithman sighting for months at his Press Conferences. Yet displays to the public other "suspects" quite happily.

That simply will not do as a Cite for Clarence Mitchell not wanting Smithman to be found.  So please do not raise this accusation again.  Otherwise, I will have to Delete your comment.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #174 on: July 08, 2019, 09:18:52 AM »
That simply will not do as a Cite for Clarence Mitchell not wanting Smithman to be found.  So please do not raise this accusation again.  Otherwise, I will have to Delete your comment.

How about we turn it around? Show me the date of the first time Mitchell presents Smithman as a possible abductor?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #175 on: July 08, 2019, 09:34:53 AM »
How about we turn it around? Show me the date of the first time Mitchell presents Smithman as a possible abductor?

Don't play word games with me.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #176 on: July 08, 2019, 09:44:56 AM »
Don't play word games with me.

As far as I can remember, the Smithman e-fits were not produced in Kate's book.  Allegedly due to the expense of investigating this sighting.

I'll dig it out if this is contentious.
What's up, old man?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #177 on: July 08, 2019, 09:53:46 AM »
OC run a night creche.  The resort is self-contained therefore most are unlikely to have bothered with hire cars.

How would we expect children collected from night creche to be transported back to accommodation?  The children were too big for prams/buggies and therefore were simply carried.  What is that arouses suspicion?  Would the same suspicion be aroused if those doing the carrying were female?  It seems to me the father is doing the carrying simply because he is physically stronger and the child is likely to remain more comfortable in his arms and asleep than if the mother was doing the carrying.  The children being carried might be younger siblings and the mother returned to the accommodation with older siblings.

Imo these sightings have no relevance to MM's disappearance and are simply red herrings.   

I don't believe anyone would abduct a child, or want to dispose of a body, and walk around so blatantly unless they were suffering some mental illness and/or learning difficulties.  And the way in which MM disappeared would suggest to me the perp suffered neither. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #178 on: July 08, 2019, 10:11:00 AM »
As far as I can remember, the Smithman e-fits were not produced in Kate's book.  Allegedly due to the expense of investigating this sighting.

I'll dig it out if this is contentious.

This is not contentious beyond Libel.  And has no bearing on The Case.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #179 on: July 08, 2019, 10:12:27 AM »
OC run a night creche.  The resort is self-contained therefore most are unlikely to have bothered with hire cars.

How would we expect children collected from night creche to be transported back to accommodation?  The children were too big for prams/buggies and therefore were simply carried.  What is that arouses suspicion?  Would the same suspicion be aroused if those doing the carrying were female?  It seems to me the father is doing the carrying simply because he is physically stronger and the child is likely to remain more comfortable in his arms and asleep than if the mother was doing the carrying.  The children being carried might be younger siblings and the mother returned to the accommodation with older siblings.

Imo these sightings have no relevance to MM's disappearance and are simply red herrings.   

I don't believe anyone would abduct a child, or want to dispose of a body, and walk around so blatantly unless they were suffering some mental illness and/or learning difficulties.  And the way in which MM disappeared would suggest to me the perp suffered neither. 


If they didn't have access to a car then how else could they remove her body?

They wouldn't need to be mentally ill. Just in a deperate situation where they had no other choice.
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