Report By Former Police Officer - Ian Horrocks - May 2017

[Robittybob1]

I have yet to read the full report but I was surprised that you had quoted him when I read the line he was of the opinion Madeleine was still alive.

In my theory Madeleine is still alive.  I'm working on the basis a dead child has be exchanged for a living child.  Child replacement is what its called.

Did I miss it but does Horrocks actually  put up a theory as to why Madeleine was taken and still kept alive?

There was a bit about (like) a new family arrive with Madeleine in tow and the neighbours just accept the child as one of their own, i.e. just accept their neighbours and ask no questions.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That she wouldn't remember her own name?  Utter horse sh1t.

She was a bright 4 year old, not mentally retarded as far as I'm aware.

You don’t need to be mentally retarded to forget details of your life as an infant.  Nice turn of phrase by the way.

[Wonderfulspam]

You don’t need to be mentally retarded to forget details of your life as an infant.  Nice turn of phrase by the way.

You'd need a severe bonk on the head to forget your own bleedin name 

[Robittybob1]

You'd need a severe bonk on the head to forget your own bleedin name

We were working on a theory of woke and wandered followed by "a severe bonk on the head"  last week.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You'd need a severe bonk on the head to forget your own bleedin name 

Oh really?  You’re obviously the expert on childhood recall.

[Robittybob1]

Did I miss it but does Horrocks actually  put up a theory as to why Madeleine was taken and still kept alive?

There was a bit about (like) a new family arrive with Madeleine in tow and the neighbours just accept the child as one of their own, i.e. just accept their neighbours and ask no questions.

Is this his theory?
"A child will often accept what they are told, particularly if said in a caring way, and will therefore act accordingly. Memories cannot be totally erased but behaviour can be controlled, influenced and to a degree changed. I also believe that there is a good chance that whoever took Madeleine may in all likelihood have subsequently moved, and therefore have new friends and neighbours who accept them for what they are, and not necessarily be suspicious. People generally accept what they are told by others, and are not naturally disbelieving."

They'd need to live a very isolated life then.  OK it can and does happen.

[Wonderfulspam]

Oh really?  You’re obviously the expert on childhood recall.

I'm pretty sure I could remember my own name at age 4.

I'd have been answering to it every day for the majority of my life up until then.

What happened to Maddie?

Did the abductor start calling her Dave & she just soaked it up?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm pretty sure I could remember my own name at age 4.

I'd have been answering to it every day for the majority of my life up until then.

What happened to Maddie?

Did the abductor start calling her Dave & she just soaked it up?

You certainly would know your own name at four but if you were removed permanently from everyone you knew and had spent the last 12 years being called Dave, there is a strong likelihood that by now you would have forgotten your original name, IMO.  I don’t think this would mean you were mentally retarded, necessarily.

[sadie]

That she wouldn't remember her own name?  Utter horse sh1t.

She was a bright 4 year old, not mentally retarded as far as I'm aware.

There are techniques available to remove memory

1)  MK ULTRA in the USA.  Horrific.
2)  Also some other schemes in the USA, I believe.

3)  Also mind control in Lesotho (South Africa)... Don't know much about this except it is supposed to happen there.



There is the ability via these awful programs to wipe their personality and memory + give a new personality.



They can even roboticise (new word!) the person being treated and order that person at a certain signal to kill the person nearest them.    Herrendous stuff.



I hope that Madeleine has not been abused in any way, including the mind control way.   I think it unlikely; there must be simpler and kinder ways of inflencing such a young childs memory

[Brietta]

How could they move on when their investigation revealed a wholly inconsistent timescale from those most closely involved with the missing girl from 17:00 that afternoon. There was no evidence for abduction. Totman had come forward to the PJ, remember. There was some suspicion of staging at he scene.

I believe that there was a mindset in place from the early stages that entrapped the Portuguese police into making so many elementary mistakes of which some are repeated in your posts.

Developments which have taken place in Madeleine's case since that early period of errors should have made repetition of the opinion of " A badly told Story" a complete embarrassment much as summed up by Ian Horrocks in his expert opinion.


Snip
Although theories are of course a significant part of detective work, they should be based on evidence and not simply that you think you know what happened.
The vital point is to keep an open mind and to go where the evidence leads, not where you think you want it to go.

The reality is that in such cases it is fundamental that the investigators keep an open mind and work to the evidence not what they think may have happened.
Also, their belief should be that they are looking for a live child and not confirmation of death.
This mindset is fundamental to the way an investigation progresses and how the people working on it respond to information.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3247.msg92507#msg92507

[G-Unit]

Just climb over the low garden fence.

That's not what he says.

[barrier]

Interesting he thinks MM might still be alive, although he acknowledges he's in the minority in this regard.

Does anyone here think MM might still be alive?  If so on what basis?

The MET certainly don't think so,can't see them landscaping the Portuguese countryside to rule out the possibility of death.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The MET certainly don't think so,can't see them landscaping the Portuguese countryside to rule out the possibility of death.

Certainly? 

[barrier]

Certainly?

Couldn't give an indication with a cite to show where they are searching for a live Madeleine could you  please.

[Eleanor]

The MET certainly don't think so,can't see them landscaping the Portuguese countryside to rule out the possibility of death.

Why ever not?  All missing children cases involve searching various areas in case there is a body.  Sometimes these children are later found alive.