The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?

[Robittybob1]

Friends and family are emotionally involved and so by definition are unable to remain objective. 

As Jim Gamble said the only side he's on is the side of MM.  I agree and I doubt there's any right thinking person out there who disagrees.
 

So does that mean you agree with Kate that Amaral's book was not good for Madeleine?  For if they thought she was dead they wouldn't keep looking for her.

[G-Unit]

That is why they told her where they were dining so she could find them if she needed to.

It is one thing to think they are not involved but what is your view on the theory Kate faked the crime scene?

I've seen no evidence that "they told her where they were dining". Even if they did, it's ridiculous to suggest that a child of that age should get up and leave 5A at night to find her parents.

[G-Unit]

So does that mean you agree with Kate that Amaral's book was not good for Madeleine?  For if they thought she was dead they wouldn't keep looking for her.

Was anyone apart from M3 looking for her when Amaral's book was published?

[Holly Goodhead]

That is why they told her where they were dining so she could find them if she needed to.

I thought KM said MM would not leave the apartment and dissed the 'woke and wandered' theory?  In any event how can it be safe for a nearly 4 year old petite girl in pink pj's to walk alone at night along a public road and then enter an area with a swimming pool?!

It is one thing to think they are not involved but what is your view on the theory Kate faked the crime scene?

Yes I will repeat I'm absolutely convinced the McCanns were not involved.   

I'm open minded about the shutter/window thinking perhaps KM staged it for a variety of reasons eg felt ashamed about the fact they left the children in an unlocked holiday apartment and by opening the window/shutter absolved her guilt (Catholicism, like most organised religion is shame and guilt based) in some way ie  someone came in and took MM as opposed to MM walking out either the front door or patio door.  We only have KM's word that she found the gate, child gate and patio doors as they had been left by others eg MO.  And I can see no reason why MM didn't walk out of the front door?  By all accounts she was a smart girl she may well have had an idea about calling on her pal Ella over at the Payne's?

[faithlilly]

I've seen no evidence that "they told her where they were dining". Even if they did, it's ridiculous to suggest that a child of that age should get up and leave 5A at night to find her parents.

I find this whole episode appalling. Parents make mistakes but they consciously decided to leave their children alone even when one had told them they had woken up alone and cried because of it. What kind of parent would do that ? How could they consciously put their own me-time before the needs and fears of their child ? Further if a child had woken up alone would they have simply settled the following night or kicked up an almighty stink ?

[Robittybob1]

I've seen no evidence that "they told her where they were dining". Even if they did, it's ridiculous to suggest that a child of that age should get up and leave 5A at night to find her parents.

Well only Kate or Gerry could actually confirm that they told her.

I think it is a fair interpretation of what Fiona is being asked about.  It wasn't the first night the patio door was left unlocked. 
"Even if they did, it's ridiculous to suggest that a child of that age should get up and leave 5A at night to find her parents."
Its only 85 meters away.

[jassi]

Was anyone apart from M3 looking for her when Amaral's book was published?

I think the idea that the great British Public were actively looking was largely wishful thinking.
The publication of a book not available in UK would have minimal impact
IMO

[Vertigo Swirl]

Friends and family are emotionally involved and so by definition are unable to remain objective. 

As Jim Gamble said the only side he's on is the side of MM.  I agree and I doubt there's any right thinking person out there who disagrees. 

 

You claimed the McCanns were undignified but I don’t see evidence of this.  What do you mean by undignified?  Ben Needham’s mum went off the rails after her son disappeared and had some unedifying moments in her life that could be described as undignified (not that I blame her at all), but what did thr McCanns ever do to deserve this criticism?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I find this whole episode appalling. Parents make mistakes but they consciously decided to leave their children alone even when one had told them they had woken up alone and cried because of it. What kind of parent would do that ? How could they consciously put their own me-time before the needs and fears of their child ? Further if a child had woken up alone would they have simply settled the following night or kicked up an almighty stink ?

And yet the only reason you know about this “appalling” episode is because the parents told you about it.  Did they really want people to hate them even more d’you think?

[Robittybob1]

I find this whole episode appalling. Parents make mistakes but they consciously decided to leave their children alone even when one had told them they had woken up alone and cried because of it. What kind of parent would do that ? How could they consciously put their own me-time before the needs and fears of their child ? Further if a child had woken up alone would they have simply settled the following night or kicked up an almighty stink ?

I will admit when my kids were younger my partner and I, both being vets, would on nights when an emergency case came to the clinic, we'd both go over there and leave the 3 young kids on there own.  (House and clinic were 50 meters apart).  So I don't find what the McCanns did that unusual TBH.

[Holly Goodhead]

So does that mean you agree with Kate that Amaral's book was not good for Madeleine?  For if they thought she was dead they wouldn't keep looking for her.

I don't think its a good idea to try and silence your critics best just let it runs it course.  Any individual or organisation that engages in a public campaign, whatever the cause, will have its critics. 

KM refers to PJ early on in her book as tweeddle dee and tweedle dum and no doubt PJ picked up on any thinly veiled arrogance. 

[Robittybob1]

I don't think its a good idea to try and silence your critics best just let it runs it course.  Any individual or organisation that engages in a public campaign, whatever the cause, will have its critics. 

KM refers to PJ early on in her book as tweeddle dee and tweedle dum and no doubt PJ picked up on any thinly veiled arrogance.

OK you might be right, but "tweeddle dee and tweedle dum" were references to the first two GNR officers that turned up.  GNR not PJ.

[faithlilly]

And yet the only reason you know about this “appalling” episode is because the parents told you about it.  Did they really want people to hate them even more d’you think?

They didn’t tell anyone except the PJ and Risk Control...and I’m sure they never thought in a month of Sundays that it would be leaked in the way it was or that the official files would be made public.

[faithlilly]

I will admit when my kids were younger my partner and I, both being vets, would on nights when an emergency case came to the clinic, we'd both go over there and leave the 3 young kids on there own.  (House and clinic were 50 meters apart).  So I don't find what the McCanns did that unusual TBH.

Did they ever tell you that they were upset by you leaving them ?

[G-Unit]

Well only Kate or Gerry could actually confirm that they told her.

I think it is a fair interpretation of what Fiona is being asked about.  It wasn't the first night the patio door was left unlocked. 
"Even if they did, it's ridiculous to suggest that a child of that age should get up and leave 5A at night to find her parents."
Its only 85 meters away.

You're making an assumption, not stating a fact. I have no idea if the conversation at the table took place or not. I know it wasn't mentioned by anyone until a year after the event.

You have very strange ideas about what is appropriate for a three year old child to be doing in my opinion; especially on a cold night in it's pyjamas.