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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #315 on: July 16, 2019, 10:48:41 AM »
As your opinion is totally subjective.. ..

No it isn't.  You're saying you think you have a far better understanding of the evidence on here than most.  By what measurement and who is doing the measuring? 

I'm sorry Davel but I will not be drawn into your "arguments" when I have a lawn to mow.   

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #316 on: July 16, 2019, 10:55:49 AM »
Oh I thought you said you had an open mind?

The title:

"8 times crimes were solved by the internet"

Why not read about the other 7 cases and then respond?

the first example is NOT an armchair detective...its the VICTIM of the crime so it does not support your claim. i was out so didnt have time to raed the other 7...will do now...lets see if any support your claim

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #317 on: July 16, 2019, 10:58:23 AM »
Oh I thought you said you had an open mind?

The title:

"8 times crimes were solved by the internet"

Why not read about the other 7 cases and then respond?

second case... a father looking at his daughters social media accounts to trace his runaway daughter....doesnt say what part he palyed in finding her  but again not an armchair detective...the father of the victim...zero out of ten again

third one...it looks like the police asked the help of a group with specailist knowledge of cars

fourth one ...police release cctv ans ask for help


cant really be bothered to read anymore...

of course the public can provide information to help the police...i still dont see any armchair detectives cracking any cases in your link
« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 11:02:51 AM by Davel »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #318 on: July 16, 2019, 11:04:18 AM »
No it isn't.  You're saying you think you have a far better understanding of the evidence on here than most.  By what measurement and who is doing the measuring? 

I'm sorry Davel but I will not be drawn into your "arguments" when I have a lawn to mow.

for one...you have said you have little knowledge of the case...and two....where posters are continually asking me for cites because they are not aware of facts i am posting.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #319 on: July 16, 2019, 11:54:10 AM »
for one...you have said you have little knowledge of the case...and two....where posters are continually asking me for cites because they are not aware of facts i am posting.
Cite for that claim.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #320 on: July 16, 2019, 12:08:59 PM »
No I am not being serious, but this is the sort of explanation your question demands isn’t it?  I doubt you’d be satisfied with a more innocuous suggestion.
Thanks for answering.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #321 on: July 16, 2019, 02:14:32 PM »
for one...you have said you have little knowledge of the case...and two....where posters are continually asking me for cites because they are not aware of facts i am posting.

If you post a fact the protocol is to provide a link. Without that supporting evidence your fact becomes opinion.
Read and abide by the forum rules.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #322 on: July 16, 2019, 02:40:27 PM »
If you post a fact the protocol is to provide a link. Without that supporting evidence your fact becomes opinion.

Do you accept that the statements of the T9 may be inaccurate... That's the sort of thing I mean

Offline faithlilly

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #323 on: July 16, 2019, 04:37:00 PM »
Do you accept that the statements of the T9 may be inaccurate... That's the sort of thing I mean

The T9 signed the statements as accurate. We have the statements to translate....and the friends have had 12 years to tell us that the statements are inaccurate, which currently they have not done. Why do you think that you know better than those who gave the statements?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #324 on: July 16, 2019, 04:40:25 PM »
The T9 signed the statements as accurate. We have the statements to translate....and the friends have had 12 years to tell us that the statements are inaccurate, which currently they have not done. Why do you think that you know better than those who gave the statements?
do you beleive the stateemnts are accurate
kate has told us the statements were not accurate and new ones were given to control risks....are you not aware of this..

they signed the statements..they didnt know how accurate they were as they were in portuguese

Offline faithlilly

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #325 on: July 16, 2019, 04:52:09 PM »
do you beleive the stateemnts are accurate
kate has told us the statements were not accurate and new ones were given to control risks....are you not aware of this..

they signed the statements..they didnt know how accurate they were as they were in portuguese

I think there are minor errors in the statements but we have no reason to believe that they are inaccurate per se. As to Kate writing that they were inaccurate, as Mandy Rice Davies said ‘ she would say that’.

The new statements given to Control Risk group, how did the differ materially from the T9’s original statements and how can we be sure after the friends had spoken to each other about the disappearance that they hadn’t, innocently, contaminated each other’s memories?

The statements were read in English to the interviewee and they signed that the statements were a true representation of their words so unless you are accusing the translator, police officers etc of being unprofessional, with absolutely no cause, then we can assume that they are broadly accurate.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 05:07:51 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #326 on: July 16, 2019, 05:12:06 PM »
Because it wasn't allowed to fade from people's awareness? The never ending media stories, the suing of the newspapers, the documentaries, the long runnung case against Anaral et al......
I don’t  think 99.9% of the world’s population gives this case more than a passing thought once a year let alone on a daily basis.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #327 on: July 16, 2019, 05:19:11 PM »
I think there are minor errors in the statements but we have no reason to believe that they are inaccurate per se. As to Kate writing that they were inaccurate, as Mandy Rice Davies said ‘ she would say that’.

The new statements given to Control Risk group, how did the differ materially from the T9’s original statements and how can we be sure after the friends had spoken to each other about the disappearance that they hadn’t, innocently, contaminated each other’s memories?

The statements were read in English to the interviewee and they signed that the statements were a true representation of their words so unless you are accusing the translator, police officers etc of being unprofessional, with absolutely no cause, then we can assume that they are broadly accurate.
I think the police were totally unprofessional in the, way the statements, were taken... We, simply have no idea how accurate they are... That is, an undeniable fact

Offline faithlilly

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #328 on: July 16, 2019, 06:24:13 PM »
I think the police were totally unprofessional in the, way the statements, were taken... We, simply have no idea how accurate they are... That is, an undeniable fact

I notice you have avoided all my questions.

In what way do the statements taken by Control Risk differ from the once’s taken by the PJ ?
In what way were the statements taken by the PJ unprofessional. Did any of the T7 claim that they were misrepresented in their statements? If not, why not ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?
« Reply #329 on: July 16, 2019, 06:56:04 PM »
I notice you have avoided all my questions.

In what way do the statements taken by Control Risk differ from the once’s taken by the PJ ?
In what way were the statements taken by the PJ unprofessional. Did any of the T7 claim that they were misrepresented in their statements? If not, why not ?
Discussion of the accuracy of witness statements is important but it is in the wrong thread.  I have started another thread on the this topic http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10892.0

This thread is about The 'Find Madeleine Campaign' Helpful or Harmful?  Keep on topic please.
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