A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[barrier]

Not even 5a?

The only apartment in which the GNR dogs showed any interest was 5L. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

It was rhetorical given Madeleine stayed in 5a.

[Admin]

I follow evidence not what SY may or not be doing. You descend the steps to reach the garden where Eddie alerted. There are two possible exits from the garden. By using the gate which brings you onto the main street near to the tapas entrance where you could be easily spotted (so not so good!) or you can go straight over the small wall without being seen (The Oldfields were at the tapas table at the time Madeleine was removed). I believe the small wall exit was used by Smithman. Nobody used the dark alley way at night so to Smithman it was a safer route to use. Madeleine was removed the patio way in my theory.

Not very likely given in my opinion given that Mrs Fenn and others had a perfect view of the gardens below.

[barrier]

The only apartment in which the GNR dogs showed any interest was 5L. https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm

6. At 00.40, given the complexity of the situation that seemed to surround the disappearance, the GNR post commander requested reinforcements from two sniffer dog teams from the Portimao territorial group to help in the searches, considering the possibility that the girl could have left the apartment on foot and could be somewhere not very far from the OC resort.

Smithy carried her out the other way,no wonder nowt was found.imo and all that jazz.

[barrier]

Not very likely given in my opinion given that Mrs Fenn and others had a perfect view of the gardens below.

Only if you are looking out at that time.

[G-Unit]

As far as I know most searches started at the apartment spreading out from there and the GNR dogs were given free rein by their handlers to follow their noses.
Also conducted was ~ "a discontinuous search, in other words, to sniff the girl's clothes and immediately search near to the apartments, checking to see if there was any change in the behaviour of the dogs." https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm  The only apartment which excited any interest in the dogs was apartment 5J.

The first dogs were from Portimao and this is what they did;

"They began searching with the dogs from the main entrance to the apartment, having given the blanket to his dog Numi to smell and begin to search".
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

The next dogs were from Queluz and this is what they did;

"That after having smelt the aforementioned towel, next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically next to block 5’s apartment 5A, the first tracker-dog headed toward the door of that apartment, soon whirled about in the direction of block 4..."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

All the dogs began work at the front of the building, next to the front door of 5A.

[pathfinder73]

Not very likely given in my opinion given that Mrs Fenn and others had a perfect view of the gardens below.

Mrs Fenn would have to be out on her balcony to see the garden below. The Oldfields were out not in but 5A gate may have been used as it's only a short distance to the lane.

[pathfinder73]

Over the wall where I've added the orange blob?

Yes that is correct but I'm not ruling out 5A gate. I think he took the back lane route away and not the front way that guests/owners of that block used.

[Brietta]

The first dogs were from Portimao and this is what they did;

"They began searching with the dogs from the main entrance to the apartment, having given the blanket to his dog Numi to smell and begin to search".
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

The next dogs were from Queluz and this is what they did;

"That after having smelt the aforementioned towel, next to the residence of the missing girl, more specifically next to block 5’s apartment 5A, the first tracker-dog headed toward the door of that apartment, soon whirled about in the direction of block 4..."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANTONIO_SILVA.htm

All the dogs began work at the front of the building, next to the front door of 5A.

The dogs may not have alerted anywhere within apartment 5A but they certainly left plenty of evidence that they most certainly had been there.

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Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

[G-Unit]

The dogs may not have alerted anywhere within apartment 5A but they certainly left plenty of evidence that they most certainly had been there.

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Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

You do know that these dogs don't 'work' all the time? They begin work after the sniffing of the item belonging to the missing person. The dog from Portimao certainly entered 5A, but began working after exiting the front door.

[pathfinder73]

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Madeleine's last known route back to the apartment was using the back lane from the tapas and entering the front way according to Kate. It was not unusual for the dogs to track her scent from the front door and following the lane route around towards the tapas bar.

[Holly Goodhead]

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

Madeleine's last known route back to the apartment was using the back lane from the tapas and entering the front way according to Kate. It was not unusual for the dogs to track her scent from the front door and following the lane route around towards the tapas bar.

That's interesting because in her PB she tells us after the first couple of days they hardly used the front door.

[sadie]

Petite, yes... but how on earth can you tell her legs are longer than average under all that clothing?!

The distance her knees are from the ground give the clue.  I used to teach figure drawing at senior school and my expertise was in portraiture and figure drawing.

[sadie]

I follow evidence not what SY may or not be doing. You descend the steps to reach the garden where Eddie alerted. There are two possible exits from the garden. By using the gate which brings you onto the main street near to the tapas entrance where you could be easily spotted (so not so good!) or you can go straight over the small wall without being seen (The Oldfields were at the tapas table at the time Madeleine was removed). I believe the small wall exit was used by Smithman. Nobody used the dark alley way at night so to Smithman it was a safer route to use. Madeleine was removed the patio way in my theory.

From memory, on the alleyway side, the small wall is about chest/ maybe shoulder high at this point.  Within 5A rear garden, there are bushes and hedging all the way across the southern (alleyway) side

On GEarth dated 6/22/2007 this is clearly shown.


Do you think an abductor would be able to clamber over the hedge and wall keeping a sleeping Madeleine asleep?


I don't

[Brietta]

You do know that these dogs don't 'work' all the time? They begin work after the sniffing of the item belonging to the missing person. The dog from Portimao certainly entered 5A, but began working after exiting the front door.

Oh I see ... the dogs and their handlers specifically called in to search for a missing child, just sort of hung around not doing anything in particular while they whiled away the time dropping cigarette ash and shedding doggy hairs all over the scene of the crime while ignoring the primary source of Madeleine's disappearance which may have indicated which way she exited.

In my opinion that doesn't sound logical behaviour for guys with their dogs who really pulled out all the stops on Madeleine's behalf for as long as they were thought to be of use and were on site.

But please have it your way if you think these guys overlooked the obvious of clearing their feet by starting at least one their search at source.
 
My way of thinking is that the GNR did not turn 5A into a howf for brewing up their coffee and a place to exit from before starting work ... I think the handlers got the dogs to start at the very beginning and I think the amount of hair left on the premises would indicate that the handlers and dogs were there long enough to ensure every centimetre and very nook and cranny of 5A was checked out.
How foolish would they have looked at a later date if Madeleine was found behind a bath panel!

[pathfinder73]

From memory, on the alleyway side, the small wall is about chest/ maybe shoulder high at this point.  Within 5A rear garden, there are bushes and hedging all the way across the southern (alleyway) side

On GEarth dated 6/22/2007 this is clearly shown.


Do you think an abductor ould be able to clamber over the hedge and wall keeping a sleeping Madeleine asleep?


I don't

The wall is smaller from the garden side as these photos prove.





And the last photo confirms that Mrs Fenn can't see the garden unless out on the balcony which she wasn't. The Moyes were for 30 minutes so I would need to tie down an exact timeline from them. If they were out at 9 then they should have seen Jez with pram meeting Gerry and chatting below so I think they were out a bit later at around 9:15.