A Good, Bad or Average Theory What's The Difference?

[Brietta]

His evidence still connects Gerry McCann to the efits. Where is the evidence connecting the other people whose photos have been posted on this thread?

Almost word for word, so does Mr McCluskey's.

Martin Smith and Richard McCluskey both saw a man carrying a child on the night Madeleine disappeared so both had an interest in the case.

There was saturation media coverage some of which was pejorative ... in which there were many occasions when Kate and Gerry were seen with their twins.

It was only when Kate and Gerry were made suspects that both men made the mistaken association.

I think it is as plain as the nose on your face exactly what factors influenced both men.

[Brietta]

IMO much of that evidence isn't reliable because timelines and the apparent inconsistencies have not been robustly tested.

Please name some of the 'inconsistencies' with provenance, to which you refer. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

IMO much of that evidence isn't reliable because timelines and the apparent inconsistencies have not been robustly tested.

Oh, but you think the Smiths evidence is reliable because...?

[G-Unit]

Almost word for word, so does Mr McCluskey's.

Martin Smith and Richard McCluskey both saw a man carrying a child on the night Madeleine disappeared so both had an interest in the case.

There was saturation media coverage some of which was pejorative ... in which there were many occasions when Kate and Gerry were seen with their twins.

It was only when Kate and Gerry were made suspects that both men made the mistaken association.

The Smith sighting was on Thursday 3rd May. Richard McClusky's sighting of the Ukranians was on Saturday 5th May.

I think it is as plain as the nose on your face exactly what factors influenced both men.

Mr Smith's sighting was on 3rd May in PdL, Mr McClusky's on 5th May in Alvor.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Oh, but you think the Smiths evidence is reliable because...?

He just gives what imo is an honest account of what he saw. He substantiates the time of the sighting as it can be linked to a bar receipt with the time on it.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Please name some of the 'inconsistencies' with provenance, to which you refer.

One would be the time and length of David Payne's visit to the McCann's apartment on the evening she went missing. This varies between seconds and half an hour depending whose statement you believe is more accurate.

[Vertigo Swirl]

He just gives what imo is an honest account of what he saw. He substantiates the time of the sighting as it can be linked to a bar receipt with the time on it.

And yet it took him how many weeks to come forward?  And apart from his wife none of the rest if his party thought it looked like Gerry iirc.  And he took grest pains to stress that it wasn’t Robert Murat - why?  What was his connection with Murat?  And why when compiling the photofit did he not just tell the investigators to draw a picture of Gerry McCann if he was so certain thst is who he saw?  There are plenty of question marks about his account imo. 

[Brietta]

He just gives what imo is an honest account of what he saw. He substantiates the time of the sighting as it can be linked to a bar receipt with the time on it.

I think you are wrong there.  Unless you can say exactly what the connection between the receipt and the Smiths might be.

Bearing in mind it was the Rebelo investigation that went to the bother of checking the Smith's story I think it confirms that Amaral was less than bothered.

[faithlilly]

Almost word for word, so does Mr McCluskey's.

Martin Smith and Richard McCluskey both saw a man carrying a child on the night Madeleine disappeared so both had an interest in the case.

There was saturation media coverage some of which was pejorative ... in which there were many occasions when Kate and Gerry were seen with their twins.

It was only when Kate and Gerry were made suspects that both men made the mistaken association.

I think it is as plain as the nose on your face exactly what factors influenced both men.

Now that’s how you normally hold a child.

[Holly Goodhead]

Now that’s how you normally hold a child.

They're awake.

It seems the Smith/Tanner sighting involved sleeping children or less likely unwell/deceased children.

[pathfinder73]

I think you are wrong there.  Unless you can say exactly what the connection between the receipt and the Smiths might be.

Bearing in mind it was the Rebelo investigation that went to the bother of checking the Smith's story I think it confirms that Amaral was less than bothered.

Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left because her father and her brother decided to leave early that night.

21:39 receipt


https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Please name some of the 'inconsistencies' with provenance, to which you refer.

And following on from the example I gave. If some of the T7 could have 30 minute differences in how long a single event took (Payne's visit to 5A, for example) then they may also be wrong about how long and exactly what times Gerry was away from the Tapas table.

[Eleanor]

And following on from the example I gave. If some of the T7 could have 30 minute differences in how long a single event took (Payne's visit to 5A, for example) then they may also be wrong about how long and exactly what times Gerry was away from the Tapas table.

David Payne also went to his own appartment and changed into Tennis Gear during that half an hour.

That is why Gerry asked David Payne to call in to see if Kate was okay.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

David Payne also went to his own appartment and changed into Tennis Gear during that half an hour.

There are two differing accounts of the length of time he spent in Appt 5A.

Who watched the Mini Tennis is another example....

There isn't one set agreed timeline.... which is normal.... but that's why we can't be exactly sure who was at the table and at what time.

[Vertigo Swirl]

And following on from the example I gave. If some of the T7 could have 30 minute differences in how long a single event took (Payne's visit to 5A, for example) then they may also be wrong about how long and exactly what times Gerry was away from the Tapas table.

They all agreed Kate raised the alarm at around 10pm, what time was the Smith sighting?