KM's Paperback (PB)

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m not really sure why it’s ok to criticise and accuse the author as well as the content, just so long as the author isn’t a member and probably won’t ever read the content (but could if she googled it) and NOT ok to criticise and accuse members here who at least have the right of reply and can thrash it out in a good ol’ cat fight?  Perhaps a learned Mod could explain.

[Mr Gray]

Any criticism needs to be directed at post content not the poster. 

Most intelligent adults manage to debate and discuss contentious issues in places like HoC and on programmes such as Newsnight and Question Time without the need to make it personal. 

Think Jerry Paxman, Kirsty Wark, Fiona Bruce, the various guests, Newsnight and Question Time - V - Jeremy Kyle and the baying masses.

Think of the mods here as John Bercow:  O-R-D-E-R, O-R-D-E-R 

Many.. Many.. post contain criticism of the poster.... Yours included... In a debate it's impossible not to make it imply some criticism. Can we expect you to lead the way now in not making any criticism of the poster in your postd

You are, also wrong about debate on TV... Boris was referred to as liar several times recently... The debates can become extremely personal

[Vertigo Swirl]

I agree! So why all the name calling for discussing parts of a book which some people feel is inappropriate at best and creepy at worse.

Some, Who actually spend days of their lives bemoaning about a word b  ew   k for it to be banned. I  mean  come on FGS. This is an adult forum for discussion and debate. Any critical analysis of  the McCanns is described as  mccann bashing. This is seen and known as trolling behaviour, and if mccann bashing is the only come back they have ,that says a lot about them- no argument to offer- just snipe and goad and call names.

In response to your question- no I am not going to highlight your typing and English Grammar mistakes- all of them. Because I don't care enough.

I fail to see the significnce of your references to Hitler and Stalin.

The significance is clear. vs claims sceptics are fascists in some of his posts. All the while behaving like a stalinist himself. The difference is: Hitler controlled Germany from a country in depression and debt to create a new Germany for the benefit of the people. (That was his belief and he did carry out most of that before it all went crazy)  Everyone knows and hears abour Hitler and the gas chambers and slaughter if millions of innocent men women and children.

Stalin, slaughterd many more millions, he was a meglomaniac, and slaughtered anyone who dared to disagree with him , even his own government staff- he did not create a climate of fear and terror within that huge state for the peoples own benefit, it was because he loved the power of instilling fear.  Hitler died Germany got some sense of normality eventually.. Stalin died the terrorised people lived on  for many years!  Terror of not having an independant thought  or disagreeing, however gentle , on any law Stalin decreed to be.


I have never,ever said Kate should not write a book, you made that up. I merely commented on some of the contents. she wrote. and the last time I looked, there is no law stating it must all be positive feedback. and no law saying I must not say anything.

 I would like to remind people here I am not here to defend parents, they are adults and can to that themselves, or accuse them of killing their daughter. I am here to discsuss the real victim in this, the one person who has no voice her name is Madeleine Beth McCann.

Could a mod here please explain why I get points for “abuse” but this little madam is allowed to accuse me of being like one of the world’s worst mass murderers ever without any sanctions at all, and the post is allowed to remain?  Obviously the comparison is laughable so I don’t object to it, but what I do object to is the un evenhanded approach on this forum to doling out points.  I look forward to further explanation.

[Holly Goodhead]

Many.. Many.. post contain criticism of the poster.... Yours included... In a debate it's impossible not to make it imply some criticism. Can we expect you to lead the way now in not making any criticism of the poster in your postd

You are, also wrong about debate on TV... Boris was referred to as liar several times recently... The debates can become extremely personal

Perhaps you can give me an example? 

HoC can be somewhat of a bear pit but look to the likes of Newsnight, QT and other such programmes. 

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps you can give me an example? 

HoC can be somewhat of a bear pit but look to the likes of Newsnight, QT and other such programmes.

An example would be you telling me i would have a void in my life if I stopped posting here....anothe is a paost from Rob last week towards me


Kate believed in God, you don't.
Gerry fell on the ground and prayed like an Arab, I doubt if you would do that.


Rob telling me what I would or wouldnt do...how more personal can you get

[Holly Goodhead]

I have no respect for those who seem to dedicate all their spare time to denigrating a woman who wrote a well received and best selling book about the trauma of losing her child, who pick on every word of that book to question, doubt,  ridicule and pretend to be outraged by and who are able to read it and yet remain completely unmoved by it.  Perhaps I should just feel sorry for such people as clearly they don’t like it up ‘em.  It may have escaped your attention but during the heated debate yesterday I too was “abused” but I didn’t cry about it or beg my abuser to desist.

The PB hasn't been well received by all as per ratings and comments on Amazon and in fact overall ratings have been less favorable than other PB's in the same genre:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Madeleine-daughters-disappearance-continuing-search/dp/0552165158

KM isn't the only person to have suffered some ghastly trauma. 

[Holly Goodhead]

An example would be you telling me i would have a void in my life if I stopped posting here....anothe is a paost from Rob last week towards me


Kate believed in God, you don't.
Gerry fell on the ground and prayed like an Arab, I doubt if you would do that.


Rob telling me what I wuld or wouldnt do...how more personal can you get

I'm sorry Davel I have no idea what you're referring to.  Can you link me to the posts please.

[Mr Gray]

I'm sorry Davel I have no idea what you're referring to.  Can you link me to the posts please.

I cant link to your pos as John removed it...can you not remember your own posts.

The point Im making is taht there are constant posts that could be seen as personal

[John]

An example would be you telling me i would have a void in my life if I stopped posting here....anothe is a paost from Rob last week towards me


Kate believed in God, you don't.
Gerry fell on the ground and prayed like an Arab, I doubt if you would do that.


Rob telling me what I wuld or wouldnt do...how more personal can you get

I have brought these issues to the attention of moderators.  The rules apply to every member equally.

[Mr Gray]

I'm sorry Davel I have no idea what you're referring to.  Can you link me to the posts please.

it seems John noted them...two personal comments by moderators towards me......
i didnt complain about either of them

[Mr Gray]

The PB hasn't been well received by all as per ratings and comments on Amazon and in fact overall ratings have been less favorable than other PB's in the same genre:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Madeleine-daughters-disappearance-continuing-search/dp/0552165158

KM isn't the only person to have suffered some ghastly trauma.

I think 4 stars from almost 800 reviews is extremely good.....

[Mr Gray]

I'm sorry Davel I have no idea what you're referring to.  Can you link me to the posts please.

im fine in going forward with absolutely no personal comments...that includes mods who have been just as guilty

[Holly Goodhead]

it seems John noted them...two personal comments by moderators towards me......
i didnt complain about either of them

I don't claim to be perfect Davel.  My stats show I make on average 3.838 posts per day and I know for sure the vast majority ie something like 99% are benign and case related. 

[Holly Goodhead]

I think 4 stars from almost 800 reviews is extremely good.....

Similar books receive 5 stars eg:

Denise Fergus - James Bulger

Gemma Dowler - Milly Dowler

Melanie Jones - Rhys Jones

Kerry Needham - Ben Needham

I haven't read any of the above but imo KM comes over as having a sense of entitlement.   

[Robittybob1]

An example would be you telling me i would have a void in my life if I stopped posting here....anothe is a paost from Rob last week towards me


Kate believed in God, you don't.
Gerry fell on the ground and prayed like an Arab, I doubt if you would do that.


Rob telling me what I would or wouldnt do...how more personal can you get

Kate's book is quite religious IMO.

Davel I'm sure you have told the forum that you aren't religious (that might be 1 year back now).
Gerry fell on the ground and prayed like an Arab.  Would you do that?