KM's Paperback (PB)

[ShiningInLuz]

I don't think Kate McCann particularly wanted to bare her soul in a book.
I think one must refer to the context and to the time when Kate wrote her book about Madeleine.

In 2010 her little girl had been missing after vanishing from her bed in 2007 and no-one was looking for her with the exception of private detectives paid for by Madeleine's Fund which had been set up for that purpose.

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All proceeds from it will go to the McCanns' official fund to look for Madeleine, which had been in danger of running out next year.

"My reason for writing is simple: to give an account of the truth," said Kate McCann. "Publishing this book has been a very difficult decision, and is one that we have taken after much deliberation and with a very heavy heart.

"However, in the last few months, with the depletion of Madeleine's fund, it is a decision that has virtually been taken out of our hands. Every penny we raise through its sales will be spent on our search for Madeleine. Nothing is more important to us than finding our little girl."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/15/mcanns-book-search-madeleine

As I didn't have the context at the time I read the book, my view was formed context-free.

Perhaps all of the other reviewers were well-informed as to the context when they read the book.  I don't remember anything in 'madeleine' suggesting that the context should be known prior to reading the book.

[Brietta]

I don't think Kate professed to being a talented 'writer'  she just did her best with the use of her diary to describe to the reader what happened on the night of 3rd of May and the following days.

So to ridicule what she has written [which is usually by those who have the belief that Kate is some how guilty of hiding Madeleine's body and knowing that she is dead]   is just something that is quite sad in my opinion.

There have been the outrage 'how dare she talk about Madeleine's private parts like that'  to the ridiculous 'It's all about Kate nothing about Madeleine'   'Madeleine should have a capital M'.

I would just like to ask if you were writing a  book about your missing child and describing the horror of finding her missing,  to the absolute disbelief when you are accused of having something to do with your child's disappearance,  added to that,  the continual torment of your imagination playing havoc with your mind to having the person leading the investigation write a book saying your child was dead and you hid her body.

How would you go about it?   For one,  I don't think you would fill the book about Madeleine,   what would you say?   Madeleine lived at @@@@@@  she went to nursery at @@@@@@ she was due to attend school at @@@@@   what would any of this information matter to anyone?   I find it very strange that people actually want to know the ins and outs of a child who wasn't even four when she disappeared.    The book title was no doubt left to the Publisher.   As to the description of Madeleine's private parts being torn apart,  I thought Kate was very honest there,  saying 'I was plagued by visions of what a Paedophile was doing to my child'  would not have cut to the very sole of a reader as much as 'torn genitals' would.   That picture would be the horror of horrors.  Kate wasn't showing a picture,  she could have been describing any innocent child's private parts it was the horrifying picture she wanted to drum home. 

To feel no emotion when reading Kates book is very strange.   Maybe these people have no children and have never had the absolute love you feel for your child.   When you lose them for a short time,  the dread and fear that you feel,  it's as if your heart is going to stop,  your knees give in and you feel cut off from reality.   When you find your  child, the relief is over whelming.   I really can't imagine what it must have been like to not find your child and to live with the loss day after day.  I think Kate did well to try and give the reader a slight insight into her existence without Madeleine.

Kate McCann's book sat in my bookcase for a long, long time before I read it because I knew it was going to be a painful read.
I think in your post you have illustrated succinctly how the absence of the three year old impacted on her family as much as the event of her disappearance did and resulted in the way in which Kate recorded it.  By the time Kate wrote her book, Madeleine had been missing from their lives for almost as long as she had been with them.

[ShiningInLuz]

I never said you did.   ...I asked if you had one.. Your post makes it clear it us merely your opinion

My original post made it clear it was my opinion.

Therefore there was no need to request a cite, nor point out that my post was my opinion.

[Holly Goodhead]

I think it's quite possible that Gerry never claimed he was using the front door.... It was a lost in translation moment.. Imo

But all the supporting docs suggest it was GM who was in error and not the translators.

[G-Unit]

I see nothing strange at two absolutely distraught parents thriwng themselves to their knees... I find it strange it being described as praying like, arabs

Who said they were praying? Not Sylvia Batista, who first coined the phrase;

Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Not Nelson da Costa;

He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which the witness did not understand.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

Not his colleague either;

After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

[Robittybob1]

I don't think there's any evidence KM was/is particularly religious.

She was brought up in the Catholic faith and by her own admission only went through a very brief phrase when she questioned such which will not please the likes of Richard Dawkins. 

As I've posted previously if KM's faith was strong then why didn't she go along to mass on hol pre MM's disappearance?

OK I think we  have a different view of what faith means.  I don't relate it to going to church but in what she says in words.

[Angelo222]

I see nothing strange at two absolutely distraught parents thriwng themselves to their knees... I find it strange it being described as praying like, arabs

Probably alcohol related imo.  People often do strange things when they've had a few.

[Holly Goodhead]

OK I think we  have a different view of what faith means.  I don't relate it to going to church but in what she says in words.

Faith = strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

Which particular words are you referring to?

I don't see any evidence that Catholicism played a significant part in KM's life pre or post MM's disappearance.  Afaik the Catholic church opposes IVF.  By her own admission it is something she uses in times of trouble like I might use a brisk walk in the countryside and a glass of very strong Belgium beer!

[Mr Gray]

But all the supporting docs suggest it was GM who was in error and not the translators.

By all the supporting docs I think you will find are written in Portuguese by the translators.  We know from kates book that when she questioned a translator the translator became quite angry.  Without something direct from Gerry just we don't know

[Brietta]

Who said they were praying? Not Sylvia Batista, who first coined the phrase;

Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Not Nelson da Costa;

He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which the witness did not understand.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

Not his colleague either;

After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

Would it be possible for you to relate what you have posted to events in Kate's book?

[Mr Gray]

My original post made it clear it was my opinion.

Therefore there was no need to request a cite, nor point out that my post was my opinion.

I didn't request a cite.. I merely asked if you had one

[Mr Gray]

Who said they were praying? Not Sylvia Batista, who first coined the phrase;

Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Not Nelson da Costa;

He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which the witness did not understand.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON-DA-COSTA.htm

Not his colleague either;

After the search, he noticed a situation that seemed unusual to him, when at a determined moment, the girl's parents kneeled down on the floor of their bedroom and placed their heads on the bed, crying. He did not notice any comments or expression from them, just crying. He says that at the main reception the father also knelt down, placing his head on the floor and crying. He did not hear the father say anything.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_ROQUE.htm

What I see there is the reaction of a totally distraught parent  which imo reinforces their non involvement

[Erngath]

Faith = strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

Which particular words are you referring to?

I don't see any evidence that Catholicism played a significant part in KM's life pre or post MM's disappearance.  Afaik the Catholic church opposes IVF.  By her own admission it is something she uses in times of trouble like I might use a brisk walk in the countryside and a glass of very strong Belgium beer!

That is exactly what most Catholics do, turn to their faith and prayer in times of trouble.

[Erngath]

What I see there is the reaction of a totally distraught parent  which imo reinforces their non involvement

Of course it is.

[ShiningInLuz]

I didn't request a cite.. I merely asked if you had one

This level of pedantry is disrupting a fairly interesting debate.

Time to move on.