KM's Paperback (PB)

[Vertigo Swirl]

If she did, then her husband, her friends, two GNR officers and a member of the OC staff all ignored the danger the twins were in. 

Kate McCann was careful not to be specific on certain points. It's true that the PJ left, but not that they left the family in 5A. It's true that they all ended up in 5H, but there was an unmentioned detour to 4G first.

if there were any specific police searches overnight, they were not apparent. The only searches I was aware of were those carried out by ourselves, fellow guests and the Mark Warner staff [madeleine]

Not apparent to who? To Kate McCann, who didn't leave 5A so she had no idea who searched, but she feels she's qualified to comment nevertheless. Still, she manages to suggest that the police response was lacking.

Not apparent to “ourselves, fellow guests and the Mark Warner staff” who were out searching I would think.   Do you actually believe she had “no idea” what was going on that night, not one?  And you think you’re in a better position to know do you?  Why don’t you write a book about it then and set the record straight as you clearly believe you know more about it than she does.

[Vertigo Swirl]

G-Unit has claimed Kate McCann “is not qualified to comment” about the early searches for her daughter.  Who is qualified to comment then?

[Wonderfulspam]

More anonymous "witnesses" from the pen of a convicted perjurer.  Anonymous lawyer? ~ anonymous Irish teenager? ~ anonymous waiter? Thought Amaral's book was based on the files supposedly ... can't recall seeing anything about that lot there.

Kate doesn't have to rely on such inventions in her book ... because she writes about what actually happened.  Nor was there anything secretive or mysterious about the fact she had been given the key to the church.

What point is it were you insinuating in your post?

You forgot to add IMO there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You forgot to add IMO there.

If you’re a mod you don’t have to.  Angelo never does.

[Holly Goodhead]

More anonymous "witnesses" from the pen of a convicted perjurer.  Anonymous lawyer? ~ anonymous Irish teenager? ~ anonymous waiter? Thought Amaral's book was based on the files supposedly ... can't recall seeing anything about that lot there.

Kate doesn't have to rely on such inventions in her book ... because she writes about what actually happened. Nor was there anything secretive or mysterious about the fact she had been given the key to the church.

What point is it were you insinuating in your post?

How can she write about "what actually happened" when she wasn't physically present most of the time? And even when she was physically present it doesn't make her factually correct its simply her version of events.

[Holly Goodhead]

G-Unit has claimed Kate McCann “is not qualified to comment” about the early searches for her daughter.  Who is qualified to comment then?

I would say in order of reliability those tasked with looking on a professional basis eg GNR officers and then the OC employees who had some sort of 'missing child' procedure to draw upon and then volunteer searchers including members of T9. 

Afaik KM did not search at night as GM asked her to stay at 5A in case MM was found. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I would say in order of reliability those tasked with looking on a professional basis eg GNR officers and then the OC employees who had some sort of 'missing child' procedure to draw upon and then volunteer searchers including members of T9. 

Afaik KM did not search at night as GM asked her to stay at 5A in case MM was found.

So do you think Kate had no interaction with those who conducted the searches, and therefore had no idea what was going on around PdL that night, and is therefore not qualified to comment in her own book about her own child’s disappearance?  That when she says “police searches were not apparent” then that is not based on anyone else’s opinion apart from her own, sat in Apt 5 a?  And if the GNR are best qualified to comment on the searches but packed it in after a few hours are they still best placed to comment?    Do you think anyone on this forum is better qualified than Kate to say what searches were carried out be whom that night?

[Vertigo Swirl]

How can she write about "what actually happened" when she wasn't physically present most of the time? And even when she was physically present it doesn't make her factually correct its simply her version of events.

She wasn’t physically present in her own life and the events that happened in Pdl after Madeleine’s disappearance?  Where was she?  Floating on the Astral Plane?

[Holly Goodhead]

This is where the McCann story falls apart for me:

Page 66:

On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains.  We left them that way all week.  This early in the season, the nights were not warm, there was no need to open a window and we reasoned that having the shutters down and the curtains drawn would keep it cool during the day.  Although it meant the room was very dark, the children weren't going to be in there during the daytime, and at night we always left the door ajar to let in a little light.


GM tells us in his wit stat of 4th May when he checked the children at 8.30 pm the room was "totally dark"

KM tells us in her PB, and in numerous vids, that when she checked the children at circa 10 pm she was initially unable to determine whether or not MM was in her bed as the room was so dark.  And yet on page 92 she tells us that when GM checked the children at circa 9 pm he paused to look at MM and thought to himself she's so beautiful.  Perhaps GM eats lots of carrots 

[Vertigo Swirl]

This is where the McCann story falls apart for me:

Page 66:

On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains.  We left them that way all week.  This early in the season, the nights were not warm, there was no need to open a window and we reasoned that having the shutters down and the curtains drawn would keep it cool during the day.  Although it meant the room was very dark, the children weren't going to be in there during the daytime, and at night we always left the door ajar to let in a little light.


GM tells us in his wit stat of 4th May when he checked the children at 8.30 pm the room was "totally dark"

KM tells us in her PB, and in numerous vids, that when she checked the children at circa 10 pm she was initially unable to determine whether or not MM was in her bed as the room was so dark.  And yet on page 92 she tells us that when GM checked the children at circa 9 pm he paused to look at MM and thought to himself she's so beautiful.  Perhaps GM eats lots of carrots 

I suggest this evening before sunset you stand in a lit corridor and open a door into a dark room., with the curtains drawn  When you look in can you see absolutely nothing?  Please report back

[Holly Goodhead]

She wasn’t physically present in her own life and the events that happened in Pdl after Madeleine’s disappearance?  Where was she?  Floating on the Astral Plane?

Did KM accompany GM when he carried out his circa 9 pm check?  Was she present when MM disappeared?  Was she with JT when she observed 'Tannerman'?  Did KM witness GM conversing with JW at circa 9 pm?  Was KM out and about during the early searches?  I could go on and on.  Her experiences in in PDL pre and post MM's disappearance are based on her version of events as she chooses to recite them based on many different factors including her perceptions.     

[Holly Goodhead]

I suggest this evening before sunset you stand in a lit corridor and open a door into a dark room., with the curtains drawn  When you look in can you see absolutely nothing?  Please report back

No need to carry out any such experiment when the McCanns clearly contradict each other:

Daytime - KM describes room as "very dark" - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

8.30 pm - GM "totally dark" - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

9.00 pm - GM thinks to himself how beautiful MM looked - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

10. 00 pm - KM unable to determine whether MM in bed or not as room so dark - shutter raised, window open, curtains whooshing

[Mr Gray]

No need to carry out any such experiment when the McCanns clearly contradict each other:

Daytime - KM describes room as "very dark" - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

8.30 pm - GM "totally dark" - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

9.00 pm - GM thinks to himself how beautiful MM looked - shutter down, window closed, curtains drawn

10. 00 pm - KM unable to determine whether MM in bed or not as room so dark - shutter raised, window open, curtains whooshing

Perhaps Gerry opened the door a little wider to let in more light...he also used the toilet so that light might be on too.
A, simple explanation that could explain all and show theres no contradiction

[G-Unit]

Not apparent to “ourselves, fellow guests and the Mark Warner staff” who were out searching I would think.   Do you actually believe she had “no idea” what was going on that night, not one?  And you think you’re in a better position to know do you?  Why don’t you write a book about it then and set the record straight as you clearly believe you know more about it than she does.

No, not apparent to her, she isn't speaking for others. "The only searches I was aware of were those carried out by ourselves, fellow guests and the Mark Warner staff"

Many local people joined the search, which Kate doesn't mention, so there were clearly gaps in her knowledge. Another such gap was her memory of the GNR dog searches.

"According to the files, the tracker dogs did not go out until 11pm on 4 May. At some point in the first twenty-four hours (I could not say when exactly, but probably that morning) I recall one of the GNR patrol officers asking us for some of Madeleine’s clothing or belongings to enable these dogs to identify her scent. I fetched the pink princess blanket she took to bed with her every night, which they took, and some of her clothes, which they didn’t" [madeleine]

She handed over the pink blanket at around 2:30am on 4th. The result was that the dogs followed the trail round 5A for the first time.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm

Kate wrote her version of what happened in her book, not what actually happened.

[Holly Goodhead]

Perhaps Gerry opened the door a little wider to let in more light...he also used the toilet so that light might be on too.
A, simple explanation that could explain all and show theres no contradiction

But KM tells us it was "very dark" during the day due to the way in which they left the bedroom for the entire week ie shutter down and curtains closed so how would any artificial light from the bathroom light up when natural light flooding in during the day didn't?   

No GM didn't open the door a little wider he found it opened further than he left it which according to him was the reason, and only time, he actually went in the room to carry out a physical check as he thought MM might have been up and about.  This then brings us to another anomaly:  On Wed morning KM tells us that MM asked at breakfast why her parents hadn't come when she and Sean were crying.  KM tells us this is the reason they can be so precise about their Thu checks as they didn't want the children waking to find no one there.  So given GM found the door moved, which according to him was a first which he put down to MM up and about, why didn't he mention to KM when he returned to the table?  Why was MO allowed to check at 9.30 pm who had no knowledge re the position of the door?