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Offline G-Unit

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1080 on: November 05, 2019, 01:00:36 PM »
GM was obviously concerned enough about claims of parental neglect given a barrister flew out on 11th May who reassured the McCanns that their evening childcare arrangements fell 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting'.  And yet this barrister might well have been quite happy to prosecute lesser mortals had their young charges disappeared in the same circumstances.   ?8)@)-)

Although this barrister has been quoted by Kate McCann there's no evidence as to who he was or what he said, just hearsay.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1081 on: November 05, 2019, 01:10:44 PM »
He didn't seem to want to discuss 'footie' when Jane mentioned it in 'Madeleine was here'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY  10:15

No he didn't and his body language which accompanies his assertions about when he last saw MM and that his world was shattered a few minutes afterwards suggests to me he did not have a baldy clue whether MM was in her bed at circa 9 pm and whether or not the shutter was raised and window open.

He had to account for the length of time his check took.  KM attributed this to watching the footy on the teli  He has some get out of jail card having met JW but he needs to make up more time so invents a loo break imo.  Taking into account all the surrounding info from the main protagonists I think he's serving up a slightly more palatable narrative.  He didn't venture beyond the lounge; had no idea about the bedroom door, shutter and window; and the last time he saw MM was post tennis pre leaving for tapas.   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1082 on: November 05, 2019, 01:19:31 PM »
Although this barrister has been quoted by Kate McCann there's no evidence as to who he was or what he said, just hearsay.

Good point.  She only quotes the name of the firm: International Family Law Group.  This apparently came about from a paralegal based in Leic, via a colleague of GM's.

https://www.iflg.uk.com/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1083 on: November 05, 2019, 01:40:29 PM »
Good point.  She only quotes the name of the firm: International Family Law Group.  This apparently came about from a paralegal based in Leic, via a colleague of GM's.

https://www.iflg.uk.com/

They weren't prosecuted.... That isn't hearsay.... The Portuguese, archiving report explains why

Offline Lace

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1084 on: November 05, 2019, 01:43:53 PM »
No he didn't and his body language which accompanies his assertions about when he last saw MM and that his world was shattered a few minutes afterwards suggests to me he did not have a baldy clue whether MM was in her bed at circa 9 pm and whether or not the shutter was raised and window open.

He had to account for the length of time his check took.  KM attributed this to watching the footy on the teli  He has some get out of jail card having met JW but he needs to make up more time so invents a loo break imo.  Taking into account all the surrounding info from the main protagonists I think he's serving up a slightly more palatable narrative.  He didn't venture beyond the lounge; had no idea about the bedroom door, shutter and window; and the last time he saw MM was post tennis pre leaving for tapas.   

What body language?

Gerry was late getting back to the Tapas because he stopped  to chat to Jez,  not because he was watching football.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1085 on: November 05, 2019, 01:46:11 PM »
They weren't prosecuted.... That isn't hearsay.... The Portuguese, archiving report explains why

I didn't say they were but we only have KM's account that a barrister from IFLG said that what the McCanns were doing of an evening was 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting'. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1086 on: November 05, 2019, 01:49:11 PM »
I didn't say they were but we only have KM's account that a barrister from IFLG said that what the McCanns were doing of an evening was 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting'.

Is that of any importance

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1087 on: November 05, 2019, 01:49:58 PM »
What body language?

Gerry was late getting back to the Tapas because he stopped  to chat to Jez,  not because he was watching football.

Lace we've pored all over this and the evidence from GM and KM is highly contradictory. 

The only person who knows what he did or didn't do when he checked at circa 9 pm is GM.  The fact he said this that or the other doesn't make it factually correct. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1088 on: November 05, 2019, 01:50:35 PM »
Is that of any importance

In what context?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1089 on: November 05, 2019, 01:54:23 PM »
In what context?

why is it important in any context......or do we just not acccept a word kate says.....i think thats a bit stupid

Offline Lace

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1090 on: November 05, 2019, 01:58:48 PM »
He didn't seem to want to discuss 'footie' when Jane mentioned it in 'Madeleine was here'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfDV7imHHY  10:15

Why would he?   They were doing a reconstruction,  he was focused on that.   Maybe if it hadn't have been such a stressful occasion and he wasn't doing a reconstruction he would have laughed at what Jane said.


Offline Lace

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1091 on: November 05, 2019, 02:04:33 PM »
Lace we've pored all over this and the evidence from GM and KM is highly contradictory. 

The only person who knows what he did or didn't do when he checked at circa 9 pm is GM.  The fact he said this that or the other doesn't make it factually correct.

I don't think the evidence from Kate and Gerry is highly contradictory.   Whether Gerry said Madeleine was under the quilt cover or on top of it or that Kate said she was under it or on top of it,  is ridiculous as a child can easily just pull the quilt off herself.  Whether Gerry could see Madeleine in her bed when he said it was dark is not contradictory either,  it was dark but not dark enough that he couldn't make out Madeleine in her bed,  when Kate checked about an hour later it was even darker and she had to turn the light on to see.  Nothing of this is anything sinister and certainly doesn't come down to the fact that Gerry didn't check on Madeleine which was why he had gone to 5a in the first place. He met Jeremy that was why he was late getting back.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1092 on: November 05, 2019, 02:15:01 PM »
I don't think the evidence from Kate and Gerry is highly contradictory.   Whether Gerry said Madeleine was under the quilt cover or on top of it or that Kate said she was under it or on top of it,  is ridiculous as a child can easily just pull the quilt off herself.  Whether Gerry could see Madeleine in her bed when he said it was dark is not contradictory either,  it was dark but not dark enough that he couldn't make out Madeleine in her bed,  when Kate checked about an hour later it was even darker and she had to turn the light on to see.  Nothing of this is anything sinister and certainly doesn't come down to the fact that Gerry didn't check on Madeleine which was why he had gone to 5a in the first place. He met Jeremy that was why he was late getting back.

You forgot to add IMO there.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1093 on: November 05, 2019, 02:26:01 PM »
I don't think the evidence from Kate and Gerry is highly contradictory.   Whether Gerry said Madeleine was under the quilt cover or on top of it or that Kate said she was under it or on top of it,  is ridiculous as a child can easily just pull the quilt off herself.  Whether Gerry could see Madeleine in her bed when he said it was dark is not contradictory either,  it was dark but not dark enough that he couldn't make out Madeleine in her bed,  when Kate checked about an hour later it was even darker and she had to turn the light on to see.  Nothing of this is anything sinister and certainly doesn't come down to the fact that Gerry didn't check on Madeleine which was why he had gone to 5a in the first place. He met Jeremy that was why he was late getting back.

But Lace how do you explain that GM said the only time he ever physically checked on the children was when he checked at circa 9 pm on 3rd May and the reason he gave for doing so is that the door was open further than how he left it at circa 8.30 pm.  He attributed the moving door initially to MM up and about.  Now we're told by KM that at breakfast on 3rd May MM had a question for her parents: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'.   KM claims she and GM were disconcerted and agreed they had to be hyper-vigilant with their checks in case one or more children woke up in between checks.  Given GM claims the door moved between 8.30 pm and 9.00 pm which he initially put down to MM up and about why didn't he mention this to KM when he returned to the table?  And if he did mention they why did KM allow MO to check at 9.30 pm who had no knowledge about how he should find the door? 

The above is just one of many contradictory aspects of their accounts.  Another is that KM tells on page 73 that their checks provided a higher level of attention that the checks provided by MW at similar resorts in that the McCanns were going into the apartment and looking as well as listening and yet:

- GM tells us his circa 9.00 pm check on 3rd May was the first time he had actually entered the bedroom during a check.

- KM tells us that when she checked at circa 10 pm she found the door open further than they had left it and assumed MO had moved it.  She then went to return it to its normal position (10 cm ajar) when suddenly it slammed shut.  So again she had no intention of going into the bedroom she simply intended to return the door to its original position.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline G-Unit

Re: KM's Paperback (PB)
« Reply #1094 on: November 05, 2019, 02:40:14 PM »
What body language?

Gerry was late getting back to the Tapas because he stopped  to chat to Jez,  not because he was watching football.

He certainly spoke to Jes, but Jes never confirmed what the time was.
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