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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2019, 12:36:59 PM »
No, that is your very fertile imagination playing tricks again.

From Janes statement it is clear that she passed Gerry and Jez talking, and carried on up Rua Dr FGM.  She did NOT go down that alleyway.  No woman would have done IMO because no lighting.


Also see The Cutting Edge Video at about 9.20 onwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkc3C6csaHI

@ about 10.00, You will see exactly where Gerry and Jez stood talking  = in the road and on the pavement edge adjacent to the alleyway .. and also that Jane carried on up Rua D FGM and DID NOT go into the alleyway.

Watch a little more and you will see Janes deep distress that she didn't realise that the man carry the little girl could likely have been the abductor  ... and the little girl could likely have been Madeleine being carried away.

Jane did NOT go into the alleyway, as every one can see and as you must surely know.    Why are you doing a Gunit and spreading disinformation ?


Why ?   There has to be a reason

JT saying this, that or the other does not make it factually correct.  There's no way JT could have passed GM/JW chatting on FGM 5A side without them noticing her which they didn't.  JT/JW version of events in this regard contradict GM's about which side of the road they were on.  If JT slipped up the back passage this would account for how she was able to observe GM/JW chatting but went unnoticed herself.  It would also align with JW's version of events about which side of the road he was on.  JW was staying in block 4 and pushing his young son around in an attempt to get him off to sleep.  Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram when he was simply walking round the perimeter of OC? 

No one mentions anything about the back passage being dimly lit or a scary place.  Conversely RO said she did not like the car park side at night as it was dark and FP said similar including a whistling sound from winds. 

And we can be 99.9% certain the man seen leaving the vicinity carrying a child was Dr T carrying his own daughter not MM's abductor.

Please desist from personal comments eg claiming I have a fertile imagination which plays tricks and that G-Unit spreads disinformation.  If the contents of your posts stood up to scrutiny you would not need to add all of this but they don't hence you feel the need to make it personal.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2019, 12:48:16 PM »
JT saying this, that or the other does not make it factually correct.  There's no way JT could have passed GM/JW chatting on FGM 5A side without them noticing her which they didn't.  JT/JW version of events in this regard contradict GM's about which side of the road they were on.  If JT slipped up the back passage this would account for how she was able to observe GM/JW chatting but went unnoticed herself.  It would also align with JW's version of events about which side of the road he was on.  JW was staying in block 4 and pushing his young son around in an attempt to get him off to sleep.  Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram when he was simply walking round the perimeter of OC? 

No one mentions anything about the back passage being dimly lit or a scary place.  Conversely RO said she did not like the car park side at night as it was dark and FP said similar including a whistling sound from winds. 

And we can be 99.9% certain the man seen leaving the vicinity carrying a child was Dr T carrying his own daughter not MM's abductor.

Please desist from personal comments eg claiming I have a fertile imagination which plays tricks and that G-Unit spreads disinformation.  If the contents of your posts stood up to scrutiny you would not need to add all of this but they don't hence you feel the need to make it personal.

I agree... Far too many personal comments

Offline Myster

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2019, 01:03:56 PM »
JT saying this, that or the other does not make it factually correct.  There's no way JT could have passed GM/JW chatting on FGM 5A side without them noticing her which they didn't.  JT/JW version of events in this regard contradict GM's about which side of the road they were on.  If JT slipped up the back passage this would account for how she was able to observe GM/JW chatting but went unnoticed herself.  It would also align with JW's version of events about which side of the road he was on.  JW was staying in block 4 and pushing his young son around in an attempt to get him off to sleep.  Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram when he was simply walking round the perimeter of OC? 

No one mentions anything about the back passage being dimly lit or a scary place.  Conversely RO said she did not like the car park side at night as it was dark and FP said similar including a whistling sound from winds. 

And we can be 99.9% certain the man seen leaving the vicinity carrying a child was Dr T carrying his own daughter not MM's abductor.

Please desist from personal comments eg claiming I have a fertile imagination which plays tricks and that G-Unit spreads disinformation.  If the contents of your posts stood up to scrutiny you would not need to add all of this but they don't hence you feel the need to make it personal.
Isn't everyone's back passage dimly lit and scary?

Why was Tannerman walking in the direction opposite to where he should have been going, having just come from the night creche, south-east of 5A?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2019, 01:10:42 PM »
JT saying this, that or the other does not make it factually correct.  There's no way JT could have passed GM/JW chatting on FGM 5A side without them noticing her which they didn't.  JT/JW version of events in this regard contradict GM's about which side of the road they were on.  If JT slipped up the back passage this would account for how she was able to observe GM/JW chatting but went unnoticed herself.  It would also align with JW's version of events about which side of the road he was on.  JW was staying in block 4 and pushing his young son around in an attempt to get him off to sleep.  Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram when he was simply walking round the perimeter of OC? 

No one mentions anything about the back passage being dimly lit or a scary place.  Conversely RO said she did not like the car park side at night as it was dark and FP said similar including a whistling sound from winds. 

And we can be 99.9% certain the man seen leaving the vicinity carrying a child was Dr T carrying his own daughter not MM's abductor.

Please desist from personal comments eg claiming I have a fertile imagination which plays tricks and that G-Unit spreads disinformation.  If the contents of your posts stood up to scrutiny you would not need to add all of this but they don't hence you feel the need to make it personal.

I don't wish to get involved in the personal spat going on, so please just take this as some factual information.

I have walked along that passageway at night, more than once, to check out a few points.

It is very definitely dark.  There is one street light near the W end, and one near the E end.  Apart from that, I can only remember a single bulkhead light half way along.  I would definitely describe it as dark.

I would not describe it as scary.  I never once saw a person, a dog, a cat or even a mouse.  I have always felt comfortable in the dark, so maybe that is just a me thing.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2019, 01:22:22 PM »
Isn't everyone's back passage dimly lit and scary?

Well in this case the back passage has low walls to either side.
 
Why was Tannerman walking in the direction opposite to where he should have been going, having just come from the night creche, south-east of 5A?

Where should he have been going?   It was only circa 9 pm he may well have been going to night crèche to drop off his child as opposed to collecting her.  Or he may have collected child and when arriving back at apartment realised he didn't have his key so returned to Millennium to collect from his wife.  The night crèche was only available to MW guests dining at Millennium or Tapas and we know he wasn't dining at tapas so unless he was flouting the rules he must have been dining at Millennium.  I think I'm right in saying the package included dinner at Millennium or Tapas?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline G-Unit

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2019, 01:41:06 PM »
If you really cared for accuracy you would at least refer to me by my correct gender.

You seem to be somewhat gender fluid;

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Offline The General

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« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2019, 02:04:35 PM »
You seem to be somewhat gender fluid;

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Offline G-Unit

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2019, 03:16:47 PM »
Alison Moyet was called Alf too though remember.

Did she describe herself as a lovely fellow, though?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2019, 03:35:50 PM »
I don't wish to get involved in the personal spat going on, so please just take this as some factual information.

I have walked along that passageway at night, more than once, to check out a few points.

It is very definitely dark.  There is one street light near the W end, and one near the E end.  Apart from that, I can only remember a single bulkhead light half way along.  I would definitely describe it as dark.

I would not describe it as scary.  I never once saw a person, a dog, a cat or even a mouse.  I have always felt comfortable in the dark, so maybe that is just a me thing.

Thanks. I haven't seen anything from MO/RO/ROB or JT about the back passage at night; I guess the reason for this is that they do not claim to have used it at night.  However RO and FP certainly describe the front/car park as creepy at night.  But if JT used the back passage on night of 3rd May this offers an explanation for how she saw GM/JW but they didn't see her.  Maybe she only used on 3rd as EOB was unwell and she and ROB were to and fro.

It would make no sense for JW to cross the road from tapas having used the loo only to cross back again given he was with his young son in a buggy/pram and he was simply walking around attempting to get him off to sleep.  Does the kerb drop between reception and 5A?  If not why would he bump buggy/pram down and up, down and up just to cross the road when there would be no reason to and not only would the movement be potentially dangerous but it might disturb the child further. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2019, 05:43:46 PM »
That's what you said. You decided to, for reasons only known to yourself, turn it inside out like a pillow case. So which did you mean?
You’re talking gobbledegook.  You claimed an abductor would target the night crèche because it would be easier to steal a child than from an unlocked unsupervised apartment , did you not?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2019, 05:45:02 PM »
You seem to be somewhat gender fluid;

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Off topic and a personal dig. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2019, 05:46:35 PM »
Alison Moyet was called Alf too though remember.
Damn.  Rumbled. 
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Offline The General

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2019, 06:00:10 PM »
Damn.  Rumbled.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2019, 06:49:27 PM »
Loving the biog. Fair play.
Ba dum, ba dum, ba da da dum.
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Offline Brietta

Re: T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2019, 07:33:53 PM »
JT saying this, that or the other does not make it factually correct.  There's no way JT could have passed GM/JW chatting on FGM 5A side without them noticing her which they didn't.  JT/JW version of events in this regard contradict GM's about which side of the road they were on.  If JT slipped up the back passage this would account for how she was able to observe GM/JW chatting but went unnoticed herself.  It would also align with JW's version of events about which side of the road he was on.  JW was staying in block 4 and pushing his young son around in an attempt to get him off to sleep.  Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram when he was simply walking round the perimeter of OC? 

No one mentions anything about the back passage being dimly lit or a scary place.  Conversely RO said she did not like the car park side at night as it was dark and FP said similar including a whistling sound from winds. 

And we can be 99.9% certain the man seen leaving the vicinity carrying a child was Dr T carrying his own daughter not MM's abductor.

Please desist from personal comments eg claiming I have a fertile imagination which plays tricks and that G-Unit spreads disinformation.  If the contents of your posts stood up to scrutiny you would not need to add all of this but they don't hence you feel the need to make it personal.
You said ... "Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram ..."

You are wrong.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....