T9 And Security Of Holiday Apartments

[Wonderfulspam]

Unlike some Sadie is punctilious in analysing other posts and discussing what is said in a sensible and moderate manner.  She is one of the posters who attracted me to the forum; believe it or not another is Angelo who sometimes also talks a lot of sense.

If she has got a point wrong she is the first to admit it without rancour and take account of it but she is very seldom wrong in anything of real substance when expressing her well researched conclusions.
I think her enquiring mind and her dignity in sharing what she has learned about Madeleine's case is a credit to the ethos of the forum.

I believe her comments are attacked or mocked for the simple reason that she is a truthful and very effective poster.

She talks a load of nonsense about Maddie's blood line & Joana's ankles. I think you'll find that's why she is mocked & ridiculed.

[G-Unit]

Sorry Rob, I have to disagree.

At the front, north side, of the building an intruder had to cross a fairly large parking area.  All the flats had to cross this.   Then an abductor had to either climb a wall, or walk a semi open passage way where he was on view.  Flat 5A had the longest walk, so longer exposure  to any one watching

To the south side (the back) the rear way into 5A was visible to anyone walking up Rua Dr FGM and from a number of apartments and villas.  The patio area was illuminated by the street lamp opposite.  The other flats involved a walk along a really dark totally unlit alleyway, which few used at night ... after walking this alleyway, a prospective abductor would have had to cross a small garden and climb steps up.  Also there was the added advantage to intruders that there was no street lamp opposite illuminating them as they walked, climbed and entered.


It would have been much easier, security wise to enter any of the flats than to enter 5A.



UNLESS, there was a watcher signalling the all clear on the balcony opposite 5A ... where the fag ends were found.  With a watcher opopsite, 5A was the easiest to enter security wise


I really think those fag ends were like very significant

AIMO, but based on facts and logic.

A watcher's 'all clear' was lacking in more ways than one.  He/she was unable to see anyone watching from those balconies, villas and apartments which overlooked 5A. Also out of sight was anyone leaving Block 4 and walking east, anyone exiting the front entrances of Block 6 and heading west and anyone leaving the car park opposite the Tapas reception.

[Eleanor]

She talks a load of nonsense about Maddie's blood line & Joana's ankles. I think you'll find that's why she is mocked & ridiculed.

While no one much bothers to mock and ridicule you because your comments aren't worth the time.  I never delete your comments because I can't be bothered to engage in the 10 seconds it takes.

[Wonderfulspam]

While no one much bothers to mock and ridicule you because your comments aren't worth the time.  I never delete your comments because I can't be bothered to engage in the 10 seconds it takes.

I think you'll find no one mocks or ridicules me because I don't tend to talk a load of old bollocks. .

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think you'll find no one mocks or ridicules me because I don't tend to talk a load of old bollocks. .

That's a matter of opinion, also perhaps you're too insensitive to notice when you're being mocked or ridiculed.  You are the troll that bigs up the Nazis aren't you?

[Eleanor]

I think you'll find no one mocks or ridicules me because I don't tend to talk a load of old bollocks. .

What a very odd conception you have of your own abilities.  But every Form needs a pet troll.

[Mr Gray]

I think you'll find no one mocks or ridicules me because I don't tend to talk a load of old bollocks. .

I think it's more like your posts do a very good job of ridiculing you and you don't need any help

[The General]

What a very odd conception you have of your own abilities.  But every Form needs a pet troll.

Mods on the train to Personal Insultsville........this train ain't stoppin'. Ain't nobody gonna mod a mod!
I thought you guys were the arbiters?

[The General]

I think it's more like your posts do a very good job of ridiculing you and you don't need any help

You should print that out and put it above your mirror.

[Eleanor]

Mods on the train to Person Insultsville........this train ain't stoppin'. Ain't nobody gonna mod a mod!
I thought you guys were the arbiters?

Okay.  Fine.  I'll stop comment on nonsense and start Deleting.

[Mr Gray]

You should print that out and put it above your mirror.

It's better if you think of your own observations rather than copy mine... There are a variety of places you could stick this post

[Holly Goodhead]

All this has been gone over time and again, and you are wrong.  Read back.


That alletyway is dark, IMO no woman would want to walk an alleyway such as that with no lighting.  Please do not keep saying things that are incorrect.  Please remember that I have been there.  Ask SIL if you dont believe me.


You do have a fertile imagination, changing accepted (by police as well) happenings to suit that imagination.  If it is not imagination then your posts take on a more sinister side IMO cos all you seem to want to do is change facts.  Why?

Wrong about what exactly?

I don't care where you've been or haven't been it doesn't make you an authority on the case no more than it does GA who spent much time there including inside 5A!

The back passage may well have been dark but it doesn't mean to say JT and others didn't use it at night.

Here's what FP said about the car park side:

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'Erm, it had a sort of double lock, erm, mechanism, erm, so it seemed, you know, it seemed very secure. Erm, and there was a security light, they were all on a timer switch, I think if you turned it on there was a light switch, you turned it on and it would stay on for, I don't know, a minute or so, and then go off automatically. And it seemed, when those lights were off, it was very dark at night-time and it was, it wasn't very, I mean, again, looking back, you sort of think, well it didn't feel very nice at night-time, that side of the apartment, because it did feel quite dark and, I think, the wind whistled through the stairwell as well'.

And what "facts" do I want to change that have been accepted by the police?  And which police force are you referring to?  PJ, MET, Leic or some other police force?
 

[Holly Goodhead]

Wrong about what exactly?

I don't care where you've been or haven't been it doesn't make you an authority on the case no more than it does GA who spent much time there including inside 5A!

The back passage may well have been dark but it doesn't mean to say JT and others didn't use it at night.

Here's what FP said about the car park side:

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'Erm, it had a sort of double lock, erm, mechanism, erm, so it seemed, you know, it seemed very secure. Erm, and there was a security light, they were all on a timer switch, I think if you turned it on there was a light switch, you turned it on and it would stay on for, I don't know, a minute or so, and then go off automatically. And it seemed, when those lights were off, it was very dark at night-time and it was, it wasn't very, I mean, again, looking back, you sort of think, well it didn't feel very nice at night-time, that side of the apartment, because it did feel quite dark and, I think, the wind whistled through the stairwell as well'.

And what "facts" do I want to change that have been accepted by the police?  And which police force are you referring to?  PJ, MET, Leic or some other police force?
 

 

And here's what RO said about car park side:

'Mmm yeah, I mean the patio doors were locked, erm yeah I didn't really like going up there by myself, it was, like going through that car park was quite dark and there was never anyone around, it was a bit, you know made me feel a bit uneasy'.

So FP and RO found the car park side a bit scary at night in which case there's no reason to suggest anyone wasn't using the back passage because it was dark/scary.

[Holly Goodhead]

You said ... "Prior to chatting with GM he went to the loo at tapas, why would he then cross the road with a buggy/pram ..."

You are wrong.

Wrong about what?

[Holly Goodhead]

Sorry Rob, I have to disagree.

At the front, north side, of the building an intruder had to cross a fairly large parking area.  All the flats had to cross this.   Then an abductor had to either climb a wall, or walk a semi open passage way where he was on view.  Flat 5A had the longest walk, so longer exposure  to any one watching

To the south side (the back) the rear way into 5A was visible to anyone walking up Rua Dr FGM and from a number of apartments and villas.  The patio area was illuminated by the street lamp opposite.  The other flats involved a walk along a really dark totally unlit alleyway, which few used at night ... after walking this alleyway, a prospective abductor would have had to cross a small garden and climb steps up.  Also there was the added advantage to intruders that there was no street lamp opposite illuminating them as they walked, climbed and entered.


It would have been much easier, security wise to enter any of the flats than to enter 5A.



UNLESS, there was a watcher signalling the all clear on the balcony opposite 5A ... where the fag ends were found.  With a watcher opopsite, 5A was the easiest to enter security wise


I really think those fag ends were like very significant

AIMO, but based on facts and logic.

That's your opinion and one that isn't shared by the experts in the C4 docu and former MET officer Ian Horrocks all of whom claimed 5A was an easy target.  Holidaymaker BOD said similar.