Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked

[Vertigo Swirl]

You agree with the PJ and Oakley then that Jane Tanner was an unreliable witness?

All witness statements are unreliable to a greater or lesser extent imo.

[Eleanor]

You agree with the PJ and Oakley then that Jane Tanner was an unreliable witness?

Why should Jane Tanner be an unreliable witness?  She didn't know what she was seeing at the time.

Jane Tanner no longer talks about it because there would be no purpose.  The Police of both Countries know about it, which is enough.

[Mr Gray]

You agree with the PJ and Oakley then that Jane Tanner was an unreliable witness?

I think it's more both the PJ and Oakley who were unreliable

[G-Unit]

I think it's more both the PJ and Oakley who were unreliable

Then you have to include Heriberto and kmc in your thoughts.

[kmc]

You agree with the PJ and Oakley then that Jane Tanner was an unreliable witness?

It is a scientific fact that memory is inherently fallible...and as such it would be foolish to suggest any witness to be “entirely” reliable, particularly when one of the witness took exactly the same route twice in the same evening. We also know that JT would have felt considerable pressure from the group to select which exact trip she had witnessed the man and child, which must have been difficult to pinpoint - especially if you had done the same route twice within just over a half an hour period.

What stands out from both statements is that JT and the Smith family, independently of each other, describe seeing on the same night an uncannily similar man and child - height, clothing and general description wise, they are almost identical.  (We also know that if JT witnessed him later in the evening - the time needed to walk the distance would fit almost exactly with both sightings) .

I don’t believe JT comes across as malicious or untrustworthy and I have no reason to disbelieve that she did indeed see a man - I only question when exactly she saw him, and not because she is unreliable but rather because she is human.

I think both the PJ and Oakley suggesting JT was an unreliable witness, speaks volumes about their own reliability to assess and consider evidence.

[Eleanor]

It is a scientific fact that memory is inherently fallible...and as such it would be foolish to suggest any witness to be “entirely” reliable, particularly when one of the witness took exactly the same route twice in the same evening. We also know that JT would have felt considerable pressure from the group to select which exact trip she had witnessed the man and child, which must have been difficult to pinpoint - especially if you had done the same route twice within just over a half an hour period.

What stands out from both statements is that JT and the Smith family, independently of each other, describe seeing on the same night an uncannily similar man and child - height, clothing and general description wise, they are almost identical.  (We also know that if JT witnessed him later in the evening - the time needed to walk the distance would fit almost exactly with both sightings) .

I don’t believe JT comes across as malicious or untrustworthy and I have no reason to disbelieve that she did indeed see a man - I only question when exactly she saw him, and not because she is unreliable but rather because she is human.

I think both the PJ and Oakley suggesting JT was an unreliable witness, speaks volumes about their own reliability to assess and consider evidence.

Good One.

[Anthro]

One fly in the ointment with that idea is the Tanner sighting fits very poorly with going to or coming from the night crèche.

It can be done but there are easier, shorter, more logical routes.

If it was Totman, he was doing it the hard way. 

Isn’t the easier and shorter route through the car park at block 6, then around the Waterside village/Palm Bay swimming pool?

[G-Unit]

It is a scientific fact that memory is inherently fallible...and as such it would be foolish to suggest any witness to be “entirely” reliable, particularly when one of the witness took exactly the same route twice in the same evening. We also know that JT would have felt considerable pressure from the group to select which exact trip she had witnessed the man and child, which must have been difficult to pinpoint - especially if you had done the same route twice within just over a half an hour period.

What stands out from both statements is that JT and the Smith family, independently of each other, describe seeing on the same night an uncannily similar man and child - height, clothing and general description wise, they are almost identical.  (We also know that if JT witnessed him later in the evening - the time needed to walk the distance would fit almost exactly with both sightings) .

I don’t believe JT comes across as malicious or untrustworthy and I have no reason to disbelieve that she did indeed see a man - I only question when exactly she saw him, and not because she is unreliable but rather because she is human.

I think both the PJ and Oakley suggesting JT was an unreliable witness, speaks volumes about their own reliability to assess and consider evidence.

If a witness gives the wrong time a scant hour after they say they saw something then their evidence can't be relied on, whatever the reason may be.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If a witness gives the wrong time a scant hour after they say they saw something then their evidence can't be relied on, whatever the reason may be.

Who in this case provided reliable evidence in your opinion?

[misty]

It is a scientific fact that memory is inherently fallible...and as such it would be foolish to suggest any witness to be “entirely” reliable, particularly when one of the witness took exactly the same route twice in the same evening. We also know that JT would have felt considerable pressure from the group to select which exact trip she had witnessed the man and child, which must have been difficult to pinpoint - especially if you had done the same route twice within just over a half an hour period.

What stands out from both statements is that JT and the Smith family, independently of each other, describe seeing on the same night an uncannily similar man and child - height, clothing and general description wise, they are almost identical.  (We also know that if JT witnessed him later in the evening - the time needed to walk the distance would fit almost exactly with both sightings) .

I don’t believe JT comes across as malicious or untrustworthy and I have no reason to disbelieve that she did indeed see a man - I only question when exactly she saw him, and not because she is unreliable but rather because she is human.

I think both the PJ and Oakley suggesting JT was an unreliable witness, speaks volumes about their own reliability to assess and consider evidence.

How do you correlate a later sighting by Jane with DCI Redwood's revelation moment, which placed Dr Totman in "uncannily similar clothing" & carrying his daughter near 5A at circa 2115hrs?

[Wonderfulspam]

How many young girls were sleeping at the creche that night?  How would they have been collected by their parents?  Which parent would have done the carrying?  Think about it.

Obviously there was another man roaming the streets, who had a poor taste in fashion & a terrible haircut, carrying their child in an awkward manner, like they were carrying firewood.

[ShiningInLuz]

Isn’t the easier and shorter route through the car park at block 6, then around the Waterside village/Palm Bay swimming pool?

Yes, if I understand you correctly.

[G-Unit]

Who in this case provided reliable evidence in your opinion?

Why ask me? I'm not the one suggesting a witness got her evidence wrong.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Obviously there was another man roaming the streets, who had a poor taste in fashion & a terrible haircut, carrying their child in an awkward manner, like they were carrying firewood.

So you are unable to think it through, as suspected. 

[G-Unit]

How do you correlate a later sighting by Jane with DCI Redwood's revelation moment, which placed Dr Totman in "uncannily similar clothing" & carrying his daughter near 5A at circa 2115hrs?

It obviously didn't occur to Redwood that Jane Tanner might have got the time wrong.