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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2019, 09:20:51 PM »
So you are unable to think it through, as suspected.

I've thought it through.

Jane Tanner didn't see an abductor.

No one did, for good reason.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #76 on: December 26, 2019, 09:23:38 PM »
I've thought it through.

Jane Tanner didn't see an abductor.

No one did, for good reason.
You haven’t thought through what I asked you to think through which was nothing to do with abductors.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #77 on: December 26, 2019, 09:27:54 PM »
You haven’t thought through what I asked you to think through which was nothing to do with abductors.

I can't be arsed to entertain pedantic nonsense about night creche dad's & such like. It won't bring Maddie back.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #78 on: December 26, 2019, 09:34:55 PM »
I can't be arsed to entertain pedantic nonsense about night creche dad's & such like. It won't bring Maddie back.
No need to have a tanty about it.  Chill.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #79 on: December 26, 2019, 11:04:03 PM »
I can't be arsed to entertain pedantic nonsense about night creche dad's & such like. It won't bring Maddie back.
The verbal equivalent of sticking fingers in ears and refusing to engage brain by listening to reason. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline misty

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #80 on: December 26, 2019, 11:19:08 PM »
It obviously didn't occur to Redwood that Jane Tanner might have got the time wrong. @)(++(*

Wouldn't that mean Dr Totman's belief he was the man seen at 2115hrs was also wrong?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2019, 01:02:16 AM »
Wouldn't that mean Dr Totman's belief he was the man seen at 2115hrs was also wrong?

As Dr Totman has never, to my knowledge, spoken about his beliefs, I don't think we can say what they were. Otherwise you need to put your question to those who are suggesting that Jane Tanner got the time of her sighting wrong.
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Offline sadie

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #82 on: December 27, 2019, 01:50:05 AM »
It seems a perfectly normal arrangement to me: Mrs T and Weinbergers went to Millenium and Dr T followed having dropped his daughter off at crèche. 

Yes I understand JW, and her husband (I think), observed a creepy man in the vicinity. 

Anthro as an aside may I ask why you choose not to use the quote facility?

So you think that the Totman family were eating late ?

And Jane saw Dr Totman with his little girl carrying her to the creche before he joined them ?



Was this at about 9.40pm ?

Cos, I think I read that the creche closed at 10pm ... so was she going to the creche for fewer than 20 minutes ?

   *&^^&.



Please correct me if my time details are wrong; I thought that it was about 9.50 that Jane made her second trip up Rua FGM back to her flat 

ETA:  I now know that the creche official closing hour was 11.30pm and not 10pm ... but I think it closed soon afteer 10pm on May 3rd.

Offline misty

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #83 on: December 27, 2019, 02:13:56 AM »
As Dr Totman has never, to my knowledge, spoken about his beliefs, I don't think we can say what they were. Otherwise you need to put your question to those who are suggesting that Jane Tanner got the time of her sighting wrong.

It's an open question. According to DCI Redwood, Dr Totman did speak about his beliefs.
Snipped from transcript of Crimewatch October 2013...


AMROLIWALA

One of the most pivotal events on the timeline was Jane Tanner’s sighting of a man carrying a child. He was walking in this spot…

PICTURES OF ROAD OUTSIDE G5A

…just metres from where Madeleine had been sleeping.

DRAMATIC MUSIC

This man was widely thought to have been Madeleine’s abductor, but the team was taking nothing for granted.

21 40

One of the things that we picked up very quickly was the fact that there was a night crèche that was operating from the main Ocean Club reception – and  8 families had left 11 children in there – and one particular family we spoke to us gave us information that was really interesting and exciting. In fact, I would say it was – it was a revelation moment when, having discussed with them what hey were doing on the night, they themselves believed that they could be the Tanner sighting.

22 10

AMROLIWALA

The British father had collected his two-year-old daughter from the crèche. He had been walking near the McCanns’ apartment.

PHOTOGRAPH SHOWN

This is the actual photograph taken by Metropolitan Police Officers of the man dressed in the kind of clothes he wore on holiday. This image was compared to the artist’s impression [based on Jane Tanner’s statement].

CRECHEMAN AND TANNERMAN MERGED SO THAT THEY APPEARED TO BE VERY SIMILAR

It is uncannily similar – and we know from the pyjamas that their child was wearing that it is, again, uncannily striking, the similarity.

AMROLIWALA

So, what you’re saying is that the timeline that everyone was working on for four years in this case…was wrong?

23 00

REDWOOD

We’re almost certain, now, that this sighting is not the abductor. But very importantly, what it says is that from 9.15, we are able to allow the clock…

TICKING CLOCK

…to move forward and in doing so, things that have not been quite as significant or received quite the same degree of attention are now the centre of our focus.
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No-one should be in any doubt that Jane's sighting occurred at 2115hrs based on what SY disclosed to us, or that Dr Totman had collected his daughter from the creche rather than being on the way to drop her off.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #84 on: December 27, 2019, 06:51:19 AM »
It's an open question. According to DCI Redwood, Dr Totman did speak about his beliefs.
Snipped from transcript of Crimewatch October 2013...


AMROLIWALA

One of the most pivotal events on the timeline was Jane Tanner’s sighting of a man carrying a child. He was walking in this spot…

PICTURES OF ROAD OUTSIDE G5A

…just metres from where Madeleine had been sleeping.

DRAMATIC MUSIC

This man was widely thought to have been Madeleine’s abductor, but the team was taking nothing for granted.

21 40

One of the things that we picked up very quickly was the fact that there was a night crèche that was operating from the main Ocean Club reception – and  8 families had left 11 children in there – and one particular family we spoke to us gave us information that was really interesting and exciting. In fact, I would say it was – it was a revelation moment when, having discussed with them what hey were doing on the night, they themselves believed that they could be the Tanner sighting.

22 10

AMROLIWALA

The British father had collected his two-year-old daughter from the crèche. He had been walking near the McCanns’ apartment.

PHOTOGRAPH SHOWN

This is the actual photograph taken by Metropolitan Police Officers of the man dressed in the kind of clothes he wore on holiday. This image was compared to the artist’s impression [based on Jane Tanner’s statement].

CRECHEMAN AND TANNERMAN MERGED SO THAT THEY APPEARED TO BE VERY SIMILAR

It is uncannily similar – and we know from the pyjamas that their child was wearing that it is, again, uncannily striking, the similarity.

AMROLIWALA

So, what you’re saying is that the timeline that everyone was working on for four years in this case…was wrong?

23 00

REDWOOD

We’re almost certain, now, that this sighting is not the abductor. But very importantly, what it says is that from 9.15, we are able to allow the clock…

TICKING CLOCK

…to move forward and in doing so, things that have not been quite as significant or received quite the same degree of attention are now the centre of our focus.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No-one should be in any doubt that Jane's sighting occurred at 2115hrs based on what SY disclosed to us, or that Dr Totman had collected his daughter from the creche rather than being on the way to drop her off.

Thanks Misty. 

DCI Redwood refers to discussing with the family what they were doing on the night they themselves believed they could be the Tanner sighting.  MA then tells us that the British father collected his daughter from crèche.  Where did MA get this info from DCI Redwood or is it his own take?  The police will be under a duty of care to protect witnesses and their privacy hence DCI Redwood refers to 'what they were doing' and does not tell us that he was going/returning to crèche or on some different journey.  The family was identified and contacted through the crèche records but it could be the daughter did not even go to the crèche that evening.  Assuming the British family and Totmans are one and the same it could be that Mrs T, 1 yoa son and the Weinberger children were dropped off at crèche earlier and Dr T carried daughter to Millennium restaurant where she may have been placed in a pram/buggy. 

I also think DCI Redwood is a fool for allowing the timeline to roll on when testimony from GM re his 9pm check is ambiguous.  Although I think MM was abducted I think it could have occurred earlier than 9.15pm. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #85 on: December 27, 2019, 07:17:33 AM »
Thanks Misty. 

DCI Redwood refers to discussing with the family what they were doing on the night they themselves believed they could be the Tanner sighting.  MA then tells us that the British father collected his daughter from crèche.  Where did MA get this info from DCI Redwood or is it his own take?  The police will be under a duty of care to protect witnesses and their privacy hence DCI Redwood refers to 'what they were doing' and does not tell us that he was going/returning to crèche or on some different journey.  The family was identified and contacted through the crèche records but it could be the daughter did not even go to the crèche that evening.  Assuming the British family and Totmans are one and the same it could be that Mrs T, 1 yoa son and the Weinberger children were dropped off at crèche earlier and Dr T carried daughter to Millennium restaurant where she may have been placed in a pram/buggy.

I also think DCI Redwood is a fool for allowing the timeline to roll on when testimony from GM re his 9pm check is ambiguous.  Although I think MM was abducted I think it could have occurred earlier than 9.15pm.

It's an awfully long way to the Millennium to carry a child in that awkward position.  His arms must have been aching off!
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Offline Myster

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2019, 07:25:07 AM »
Isn’t the easier and shorter route through the car park at block 6, then around the Waterside village/Palm Bay swimming pool?
Do you mean through the narrow ginnel (on the left of the silver car) to the next southerly car park ?...

https://vimeo.com/363217468
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #87 on: December 27, 2019, 07:30:49 AM »
It's an awfully long way to the Millennium to carry a child in that awkward position.  His arms must have been aching off!

How far to Millennium? 

Dr T looks to be circa 6' in height and a fit tennis player.  The daughter was 2 yoa.  The average 2 yoa girl weighs 26.5 pounds. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Anthro

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #88 on: December 27, 2019, 07:42:47 AM »
Do you mean through the narrow ginnel (on the left of the silver car) to the next southerly car park ?...

https://vimeo.com/363217468

Hi Myster, I am not sure. Thanks to Shining in Luz, the following is attached:
https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/madeleine-short-route-from-the-creche-pt2/

Offline Myster

Re: Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked
« Reply #89 on: December 27, 2019, 07:43:03 AM »
How far to Millennium? 

Dr T looks to be circa 6' in height and a fit tennis player.  The daughter was 2 yoa.  The average 2 yoa girl weighs 26.5 pounds.
Far enough!  Walk the walk with pegman from 5A to Luz Ocean Club Reception in the NW, sorry NE...

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0861948,-8.7294219,517a,35y,39.33t/data=!3m1!1e3
« Last Edit: December 27, 2019, 07:49:39 AM by Myster »
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