Dr Totman: Apartment block stayed in and direction walked

[Holly Goodhead]

This is what Heriberto said on 8 May 2018:

“In my opinion, she (Jane Tanner) did not leave the table at 21:15. He (Russell o’ Brien) saw their daugthers at 21:05, and then he went at 21:30, discovering that one of them had vomited. She went at 21:45-21:50.

After the abduction, not knowing Portuguese laws, they were worried about that half an hour, with their daughters alone, and one of them vomiting, and the police questioning.

So he decided to make timelines clearly showing he was at 21:00, she was at 21:15, he was at 21:30, she was at 21:45. And show them to the rest of the group, implanting false memories.

She did not see Gerry and Jez at 21:15, she heard Gerry saying "I met Jez".”

The two names in brackets were added by me. If this is not correct, I apologise to Heri.

Who is Heriberto and on what basis do you find him a credible witness?

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't think it would be unfair to assume that the other 7 families with children in the creche could account for  tannermans movements,it was obviously corroborated.

In what way do you believe the 8 families with 11 children in the crèche could account for/corroborate Tannerman's movements?

[Anthro]

But what is the 'wrong direction' angle based on?

Surely the fact DCI Redwood discussed with the family what they were doing that evening and is almost certain Dr T and Tannerman are one and the same means that as far as DCI Redwood is concerned Dr T was walking in the right direction?   If I was DCI Redwood and knew Dr T was walking in right direction I would say 'almost certain' as it can't be 100% ruled out that 2 men of similar appearance carrying a child of similar appearance were in the vicinity at a similar time.  But what would be the odds of all these similarities occurring in a small resort low season?

Perhaps dr Totman was walking with his daughter at 21:15, but from the night creche towards his apartment but Jane Tanner did not see him either because:
- she didn’t leave the table at that time, hence not seeing Gerry and Jeremy chatting (see Heri’s theory) nor dr Totman or
- she saw a man with a girl at 21h40 walking away from block 5, hence Colin Sutton’s remarks on the ID Mystery Channel that dr Totman was taking his daughter from the night creche to the apartment, and that police might well be looking at another Tannerman.

It is the first time I’ve heard an official actually naming Julian Totman.

That could explain the ‘revelation moment’ i.e. discovering the direction

[G-Unit]

This is what Heriberto said on 8 May 2018:

“In my opinion, she (Jane Tanner) did not leave the table at 21:15. He (Russell o’ Brien) saw their daugthers at 21:05, and then he went at 21:30, discovering that one of them had vomited. She went at 21:45-21:50.

After the abduction, not knowing Portuguese laws, they were worried about that half an hour, with their daughters alone, and one of them vomiting, and the police questioning.

So he decided to make timelines clearly showing he was at 21:00, she was at 21:15, he was at 21:30, she was at 21:45. And show them to the rest of the group, implanting false memories.

She did not see Gerry and Jez at 21:15, she heard Gerry saying "I met Jez".”

The two names in brackets were added by me. If this is not correct, I apologise to Heri.

As I said, people seem determined to call Jane Tanner a liar. I wonder where he got the idea that Russell O'Brien checked his children at 21:00?

[Anthro]

Who is Heriberto and on what basis do you find him a credible witness?

Heriberto Janosch is a criminologist with a blog called ‘Espacio Exterior’. Amongst others, he discovered and analysed the phone calls between 3 people on the night that Madeleine disappeared, hence the ‘burglar theory’ examined by police.

[Anthro]

As I said, people seem determined to call Jane Tanner a liar. I wonder where he got the idea that Russell O'Brien checked his children at 21:00?

I certainly do not regard Jane Tanner a liar. Perhaps Heri uncovered the 21h05 visit Russell made to his apartment? Perhaps he will be willing to clarify this here?

[Holly Goodhead]

your argumnet is getting  a little jumbled imo....some have interest but little knowledge...you spoke to two random poeple in M and S...both seemed to have an interest in the case though little knowledge. I dont see waht your point is. mine is understanding why Smithmna has not been identified. These sort of cases often rely on informtion from the public

What evidence exists showing significant numbers of the population from the developed world have any interest/knowledge in the case beyond knowing a young girl by the name of Madeleine McCann disappeared from a holiday apartment?     

I spoke to a Scottish woman in a cafe, having struck up a conversation about the menu, and a female Portuguese shop assistant in M&S both had little knowledge about the case and both thought the McCanns were involved.  The reason I asked their opinion was the Scottish/Portuguese connection.

The point I'm endeavoring to make is that 'Smithman' could quite easily be someone going about his lawful business oblivious to how his coming forward could eliminate a suspect because he has no interest/knowledge about the case.       

[Anthro]

Heriberto Janosch is a criminologist with a blog called ‘Espacio Exterior’. Amongst others, he discovered and analysed the phone calls between 3 people on the night that Madeleine disappeared, hence the ‘burglar theory’ examined by police.

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=15&ved=2ahUKEwiHjvbt8tXmAhVGIVAKHS-BDT4QFjAOegQIAhAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fespacioexterior.blogspot.com%2F&usg=AOvVaw0FGIEb4OjAplPOUsx12vCY

[Holly Goodhead]

Heriberto Janosch is a criminologist with a blog called ‘Espacio Exterior’. Amongst others, he discovered and analysed the phone calls between 3 people on the night that Madeleine disappeared, hence the ‘burglar theory’ examined by police.

Thanks.  Do we have evidence of his qualifications promoting himself as a criminologist? 

How did he gain access to phone data?  I assume by his name he's Portuguese?  Was he approved by PJ hence he had access to phone data?

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[pathfinder73]

What evidence exists showing significant numbers of the population from the developed world have any interest/knowledge in the case beyond knowing a young girl by the name of Madeleine McCann disappeared from a holiday apartment?     

I spoke to a Scottish woman in a cafe, having struck up a conversation about the menu, and a female Portuguese shop assistant in M&S both had little knowledge about the case and both thought the McCanns were involved.  The reason I asked their opinion was the Scottish/Portuguese connection.

The point I'm endeavoring to make is that 'Smithman' could quite easily be someone going about his lawful business oblivious to how his coming forward could eliminate a suspect because he has no interest/knowledge about the case.       

Not when you find out who Smithman is - he gave the sighting time away to cover his ass. Stupid boy!

[Anthro]

Thanks.  Do we have evidence of his qualifications promoting himself as a criminologist? 

How did he gain access to phone data?  I assume by his name he's Portuguese?  Was he approved by PJ hence he had access to phone data?

He is Spanish. I have attached a link to his blog above.

[Anthro]

I realise this has been discussed on the forum. To me dr Totman’s child pj pants at the bottom look very different to the Tanner e-fit and what Madeleine was actually wearing on May 3rd.

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[ShiningInLuz]

But what is the 'wrong direction' angle based on?

Surely the fact DCI Redwood discussed with the family what they were doing that evening and is almost certain Dr T and Tannerman are one and the same means that as far as DCI Redwood is concerned Dr T was walking in the right direction?   If I was DCI Redwood and knew Dr T was walking in right direction I would say 'almost certain' as it can't be 100% ruled out that 2 men of similar appearance carrying a child of similar appearance were in the vicinity at a similar time.  But what would be the odds of all these similarities occurring in a small resort low season?

If you think Redwood identified Totman as Tannerman, kindly provide your cite.

Redwood did not name an individual as Tannerman.

[Holly Goodhead]

Perhaps dr Totman was walking with his daughter at 21:15, but from the night creche towards his apartment but Jane Tanner did not see him either because:
- she didn’t leave the table at that time, hence not seeing Gerry and Jeremy chatting (see Heri’s theory) nor dr Totman or
- she saw a man with a girl at 21h40 walking away from block 5, hence Colin Sutton’s remarks on the ID Mystery Channel that dr Totman was taking his daughter from the night creche to the apartment, and that police might well be looking at another Tannerman.

It is the first time I’ve heard an official actually naming Julian Totman.

That could explain the ‘revelation moment’ i.e. discovering the direction

I don't believe the above is remotely credible. 

DCI Redwood was well aware of the direction 'Tannerman' was walking and the time given by JT.

One of the things that we picked up very quickly was the fact that there was a night crèche that was operating from the main Ocean Club reception – and  8 families had left 11 children in there – and one particular family we spoke to us gave us information that was really interesting and exciting. In fact, I would say it was – it was a revelation moment when, having discussed with them what hey were doing on the night, they themselves believed that they could be the Tanner sighting.