White House Farm - ITV Drama Series - Part 6

[Caroline]

If you were able to work it out for yourself why do you suppose I or anyone else wouldn't be capable of doing likewise... and go to the trouble of ensuring there is yet another inaccuracy receiving the light of day on the internet for our enlightenment?
I don't think the Drama visited too much of the character assassination Sheila suffered, and that was no bad thing.

To be fair to Holly, she doesn't generally go in for gossip and isn't prone to believe someone of the more colourful theories bandied about.

[barrier]

JM didn't come forward, it was supposedly her friend Liz Rimmington, who had sex with JB whilst he was in a relationship with JM, who supposedly contacted the police asking for DS Jones. 

What evidence exists showing LR or anyone contacted the police and it wasn't the other way round?  All JB's circle who gave evidence against him were to some degree involved with recreational drugs which may well have been used against them.

Which is it then Holly,you have JM not coming forward then drop in a conspiracy of it supposedly being someone else.Was the drama not true to this where JM came forward to meet Jones in the Police station?

[Myster]

JM didn't come forward, it was supposedly her friend Liz Rimmington, who had sex with JB whilst he was in a relationship with JM, who supposedly contacted the police asking for DS Jones. 

What evidence exists showing LR or anyone contacted the police and it wasn't the other way round?  All JB's circle who gave evidence against him were to some degree involved with recreational drugs which may well have been used against them.

NOT supposedly... Actually!  Liz Rimington rang Witham asking for Stan Jones.  He wasn't in, but at home, and as soon as he heard from Witham he contacted Liz at the phone number she left with the duty sergeant.

You either believe Wilkes, or you don't.

[Caroline]

JM didn't come forward, it was supposedly her friend Liz Rimmington, who had sex with JB whilst he was in a relationship with JM, who supposedly contacted the police asking for DS Jones. 

What evidence exists showing LR or anyone contacted the police and it wasn't the other way round?  All JB's circle who gave evidence against him were to some degree involved with recreational drugs which may well have been used against them.

What does her having sex with Bamber have to do with anything?

[Myster]

What does her having sex with Bamber have to do with anything?

It's evidence he had a wandering willy.

[Holly Goodhead]

NOT supposedly... Actually!  Liz Rimington rang Witham asking for Stan Jones.  He wasn't in, but at home, and as soon as he heard from Witham he contacted Liz at the phone number she left with the duty sergeant.

You either believe Wilkes, or you don't.

No one has a complete audit trail of who was in touch with who, when and why.  My view is that DS Jones pursued witnesses because he believed JB guilty and needed them on board.

[Holly Goodhead]

What does her having sex with Bamber have to do with anything?

Nothing per se other than I believe he was in a relationship with JM at the time.

You have suggested in the past JB might have implicated MM because he had some sort of sexual encounter with SF who I believe was still in some sort of relationship with JB at the time. 

[Holly Goodhead]

It's evidence he had a wandering willy.

But in reality JB was a single guy without parental responsibilities.  And yet he is always called out over his sexual morality.  In one of the dramas a Sun journo questions his infidelity towards Julie.  And in another a psychologist who has never met him refers to him as promiscious. And yet others who were in committed relationships and had children were carrying on much the same and no one comments:

CC married and living with SC by his own admission disappeared for 2 hours at SC's 21st party with a woman from his office and admits he had 'cardinal intent'.  He then left SC and the twins for another woman when the twins were only 5 months old.

MM married and living with his wife while at the same time fathering a child with CB and continuing the relationship.  But not content with two women he was also in a relationship with MS who he spent the night of the murders with.

I couldn't give a damn who was bonking who but its somewhat hypocritical.  And it takes two to tango.  And Afaik no woman has ever come forward to say JB behaved inappropriately.

[Caroline]

But in reality JB was a single guy without parental responsibilities.  And yet he is always called out over his sexual morality.  In one of the dramas a Sun journo questions his infidelity towards Julie.  And in another a psychologist who has never met him refers to him as promiscious. And yet others who were in committed relationships and had children were carrying on much the same and no one comments:

CC married and living with SC by his own admission disappeared for 2 hours at SC's 21st party with a woman from his office and admits he had 'cardinal intent'.  He then left SC and the twins for another woman when the twins were only 5 months old.

MM married and living with his wife while at the same time fathering a child with CB and continuing the relationship.  But not content with two women he was also in a relationship with MS who he spent the night of the murders with.

I couldn't give a damn who was bonking who but its somewhat hypocritical.  And it takes two to tango.  And Afaik no woman has ever come forward to say JB behaved inappropriately.

His promiscuity isn't mentioned in isolation, it is mentioned as simply another trait he holds which is conducive with the psychopathic check list.

[Holly Goodhead]

His promiscuity isn't mentioned in isolation, it is mentioned as simply another trait he holds which is conducive with the psychopathic check list.

There's no evidence JB has ever suffered any personality disorder or mental illness and no evidence he had sex with more than half a dozen women.

What's the definition of promiscious, who has defined it and on what basis?  How does it fit with men from some cultures who are permitted to have numerous wives?

What evidence exists supporting a correlation between promiscuity and psychopathy?  Many famous men claim to have had sex with hundreds of women eg Mick Hucknall and Tom Jones.

JB was within his rights morally and legally to have sex with any consenting women.

[Caroline]

There's no evidence JB has ever suffered any personality disorder or mental illness and no evidence he had sex with more than half a dozen women.

What's the definition of promiscious, who has defined it and on what basis?  How does it fit with men from some cultures who are permitted to have numerous wives?

What evidence exists supporting a correlation between promiscuity and psychopathy?  Many famous men claim to have had sex with hundreds of women eg Mick Hucknall and Tom Jones.

JB was within his rights morally and legally to have sex with any consenting women.

Actually, I didn't say he was promiscuous, I am simply commenting on why the suggestion is made.

However, if Bamber killed 5 people (including 2 six years old boys) in cold blood - he most definitely has a serious personality disorder. I believe he did kill them so .....

[mrswah]

His promiscuity isn't mentioned in isolation, it is mentioned as simply another trait he holds which is conducive with the psychopathic check list.

Not a particularly edifying trait, I'll admit, but I'm sure lots of young people are the same!

[Caroline]

Not a particularly edifying trait, I'll admit, but I'm sure lots of young people are the same!

Yes, but Jeremy isn't accused of being a killer/psychopath because of promiscuity.

[adam]

The drama was a hammer blow for supporters.

The family & Stan Jones came out of it well. So did Julie. A young woman caught in a terrible situation no one else has ever been in before. But doing the right thing.

Taff looked stupid from his first scene. Standing outside WHF saying 5 people dead inside was already case closed. Bamber looked selfish, arrogant & callous.

The only saving grace for supporters was that there was no reconstruction of Bamber committing the massacre. Carol Ann Lee's reconstruction was good to go. But Colin Caffell said he did not want any shooting.

[mrswah]

The drama was a hammer blow for supporters.

The family & Stan Jones came out of it well. So did Julie. A young woman caught in a terrible situation no one else has ever been in before. But doing the right thing.

Taff looked stupid from his first scene. Standing outside WHF saying 5 people dead inside was already case closed. Bamber looked selfish, arrogant & callous.

The only saving grace for supporters was that there was no reconstruction of Bamber committing the massacre. Carol Ann Lee's reconstruction was good to go. But Colin Caffell said he did not want any shooting.

I don't think any of them "came out of it well", apart from Colin. I only hope they are/were not like that in real life!