Outfit and method of entry

[Holly Goodhead]

Did he enter the farm using the shower room window?

Did he have to be wearing any clothes at all?  He could have removed them on entry and he could have showered to wash off any blood before getting dressed and leaving via the kitchen window.

Blood?

[Inspector Gadget]

I believe the bike was forensically examined and didn't reveal any tell tale signs.

Lol... it’s a bike. What tell tale signs would it have? And wasn’t it quite a bit of time that passed before it was found ? I.e longer than 24 hours so plenty of tome for him to clean up , same as disposing of any clothes he wore.

[steve_trousers]

No idea what you are referring to?

I don't have Wilkes book on me at the moment Holly, he explains how to get in via the bathroom window when it appears securely closed. I will look it up when I get back to the UK.

[adam]

Using a bike shows how lazy Bamber was. He even cycled there and back.

He could have walked there and back. Would not make him innocent. But having the bike at his cottage just made the guilters more convinced.

Both Julie and the relatives brought up the bike issue. One of the several 'curious coincidences' the judge said the case had.

He could have brought June's bike over just before the massacre. Then put it somewhere where Julie or anyone else would not see it. Then left it at WHF & walked back. But too callous. 

So no surprise he was callous again & put the silencer away with paint & blood on.

[Holly Goodhead]

Lol... it’s a bike. What tell tale signs would it have? And wasn’t it quite a bit of time that passed before it was found ? I.e longer than 24 hours so plenty of tome for him to clean up , same as disposing of any clothes he wore.

Forensics are usually able to tell if perps of crime have cleaned up.  Perps are removing visible evidence not looking under high powered microscopes.

[steve_trousers]

I don't have Wilkes book on me at the moment Holly, he explains how to get in via the bathroom window when it appears securely closed. I will look it up when I get back to the UK.

From Her majesty versus Bamber:

146. He had the means and knowledge to gain entry to the address, one such route being through the bathroom window. He then took the rifle, with the sound moderator attached as normal, and made his way upstairs to where the members of his family were sleeping

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't have Wilkes book on me at the moment Holly, he explains how to get in via the bathroom window when it appears securely closed. I will look it up when I get back to the UK.

Thanks but point is judge and jurors should have been taken to WHF to see for themselves.

[Holly Goodhead]

From Her majesty versus Bamber:

That's a point the prosecution argued not a proven fact.

[Inspector Gadget]

Forensics are usually able to tell if perps of crime have cleaned up.  Perps are removing visible evidence not looking under high powered microscopes.

I guess it’s interesting if he cycled home with blood stained clothes hence the need to clean but even Jeremy wasn’t that stupid. Especially at this risk of being seen. No, it is more likely he had a bag or something with change of clothes therefore not sure any forensic clean up would have been needed. He is just a guy with a bike that he claims to ride for last 6-8 weeks. Nothing unusual would have been on there.

[steve_trousers]

It makes sense to get changed, he had plenty of time to. There are plenty of places on that huge farm to stash the clothes then destroy them later

From her majesty versus Bamber

Julie Mugford spent the weekend before the killings with the appellant in Goldhanger. During that period he dyed his hair black and she saw his mother's bicycle at the address. Other witnesses saw the bicyle at the appellant's home following the killings. Robert Boutflour saw mud on the walls of the tyres but not on the tread, as if it had been through deep mud.

[Brietta]

Blood?

You know ... the stuff which comes out of bodies and sometimes splashes if shot are fired at close range.  I believe Mr Bamber was also bludgeoned as well as shot so someone had to get up close and very personal to do that to him.

According to the evidence presented in court this was cold, calm merciless killing which had been plotted for quite some time.
The person who carried it out was well acquainted with the routine of the household ... was familiar with access and egress points down to the faulty kitchen window latch which allowed exit from an apparently locked down house.

The timing would probably never be bettered with all the heirs apparent under the same roof ... including the six year old twin boys.

I lean towards the theory that the best way to avoid being spotted after murdering the family would be using Mrs Bamber's bicycle ... it was all coolly, calmly and premeditatively worked out ... so why not have all contingencies fed into the equation such as allowing for bleeding as a result of brutally massacring five people?

[Holly Goodhead]

You know ... the stuff which comes out of bodies and sometimes splashes if shot are fired at close range.  I believe Mr Bamber was also bludgeoned as well as shot so someone had to get up close and very personal to do that to him.

According to the evidence presented in court this was cold, calm merciless killing which had been plotted for quite some time.
The person who carried it out was well acquainted with the routine of the household ... was familiar with access and egress points down to the faulty kitchen window latch which allowed exit from an apparently locked down house.

The timing would probably never be bettered with all the heirs apparent under the same roof ... including the six year old twin boys.

I lean towards the theory that the best way to avoid being spotted after murdering the family would be using Mrs Bamber's bicycle ... it was all coolly, calmly and premeditatively worked out ... so why not have all contingencies fed into the equation such as allowing for bleeding as a result of brutally massacring five people?

So how do you account for the fact that so little blood was found on the rifle that it wasn't even possible to type and yet the blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer measuring a 1/4 of an inch was!?

Why would the perp sustain blood on his her person/clothes if the rifle only contained small traces?

[Holly Goodhead]

I guess it’s interesting if he cycled home with blood stained clothes hence the need to clean but even Jeremy wasn’t that stupid. Especially at this risk of being seen. No, it is more likely he had a bag or something with change of clothes therefore not sure any forensic clean up would have been needed. He is just a guy with a bike that he claims to ride for last 6-8 weeks. Nothing unusual would have been on there.

Where's the evidence that suggests the perp would have sustained blood to his/her person/clothes?

[Inspector Gadget]

Where's the evidence that suggests the perp would have sustained blood to his/her person/clothes?

5 dead, blood splattered bodies, in the house he just come from.

[steve_trousers]

So how do you account for the fact that so little blood was found on the rifle that it wasn't even possible to type and yet the blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer measuring a 1/4 of an inch was!?

Why would the perp sustain blood on his her person/clothes if the rifle only contained small traces?

We know there was plenty of spatter inside the silencer. Regardless of the volume of blood, Jeremy wasn't about to take any risks. Makes sense to have a shower.