The bike

[Inspector Gadget]

It’s been alleged by a Bamber defence supporter that they can prove that the bike was not used due to the lack of tire tracks, the darkness of the route taken and the lack of witnesses. Has anybody seen such an official document that proves the bike could not be a means to get to and from the farm?

[Caroline]

It’s been alleged by a Bamber defence supporter that they can prove that the bike was not used due to the lack of tire tracks, the darkness of the route taken and the lack of witnesses. Has anybody seen such an official document that proves the bike could not be a means to get to and from the farm?

The allege lots of things.

[Inspector Gadget]

The allege lots of things.

Has anybody ever done the route? Is it possible by bike? In August I would imagine the ground being hard so wouldn’t expect any tire tracks. Also expect he would have gone via fields which are acres and acres wide so not sure where they would see anything. Would be like a needle in a haystack. And finally at 3am I wouldn’t expect to see any witnesses. I often am awake in middle of night, I often hear cars drive past but Does it mean I could tell you anything about them? No it does not! I cannot be bothered to get up and snoop out my windows waiting for people or cars to drive past....

[APRIL]

Has anybody ever done the route? Is it possible by bike? In August I would imagine the ground being hard so wouldn’t expect any tire tracks. Also expect he would have gone via fields which are acres and acres wide so not sure where they would see anything. Would be like a needle in a haystack. And finally at 3am I wouldn’t expect to see any witnesses. I often am awake in middle of night, I often hear cars drive past but Does it mean I could tell you anything about them? No it does not! I cannot be bothered to get up and snoop out my windows waiting for people or cars to drive past....

And all that's without the time lapse between the murders and when the police thought a bike may have been involved, and the number of people who may have either walked or cycled along the see wall/public footpath route.

[Inspector Gadget]

And all that's without the time lapse between the murders and when the police thought a bike may have been involved, and the number of people who may have either walked or cycled along the see wall/public footpath route.

Excellent point. Thank you

[Myster]

Has anybody ever done the route? Is it possible by bike? In August I would imagine the ground being hard so wouldn’t expect any tire tracks. Also expect he would have gone via fields which are acres and acres wide so not sure where they would see anything. Would be like a needle in a haystack. And finally at 3am I wouldn’t expect to see any witnesses. I often am awake in middle of night, I often hear cars drive past but Does it mean I could tell you anything about them? No it does not! I cannot be bothered to get up and snoop out my windows waiting for people or cars to drive past....

Andrew Rigsby recently cycled what I think is the shortest (RED) route - a farm track, from the rear of WHF (East Coast Classics) to where it meets Maldon Road (B1026), then SW to Head Street, Goldhanger...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maldon+Rd,+Tolleshunt+D'Arcy,+Maldon/@51.7597757,0.7938588,959m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8e1e2edb96115:0xde94bd3d46be2c01!8m2!3d51.7683123!4d0.7904089

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7621952,0.7839969,3a,90y,161.83h,71.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM9BOIWbeif8oiTvJWiahog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Scroll down to the bottom - "The route to White House Farm"...

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/

[Inspector Gadget]

Andrew Rigsby recently cycled what I think is the shortest (RED) route - a farm track, from the rear of WHF (East Coast Classics) to where it meets Maldon Road (B1026), then SW to Head Street, Goldhanger...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maldon+Rd,+Tolleshunt+D'Arcy,+Maldon/@51.7597757,0.7938588,959m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8e1e2edb96115:0xde94bd3d46be2c01!8m2!3d51.7683123!4d0.7904089

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7621952,0.7839969,3a,90y,161.83h,71.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM9BOIWbeif8oiTvJWiahog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Scroll down to the bottom - "The route to White House Farm"...

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/

Brilliant, Myster. Thank you!

[Inspector Gadget]

Andrew Rigsby recently cycled what I think is the shortest (RED) route - a farm track, from the rear of WHF (East Coast Classics) to where it meets Maldon Road (B1026), then SW to Head Street, Goldhanger...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Maldon+Rd,+Tolleshunt+D'Arcy,+Maldon/@51.7597757,0.7938588,959m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47d8e1e2edb96115:0xde94bd3d46be2c01!8m2!3d51.7683123!4d0.7904089

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7621952,0.7839969,3a,90y,161.83h,71.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM9BOIWbeif8oiTvJWiahog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Scroll down to the bottom - "The route to White House Farm"...

http://gunfire-graffiti.co.uk/the-white-house-farm-murders-caffel-or-bamber/

Myster I have gone through this in detail now and this is one of the best blogs/ opinions to date. It doesn’t cover the phonecall nor the silencer but in terms of route, planning, capability and mental state it is the belief that I share. I too believed that he had pre loaded magazines on him, the idea of walking up and down stairs to reload just doesn’t sit right with me.

[Holly Goodhead]

It’s been alleged by a Bamber defence supporter that they can prove that the bike was not used due to the lack of tire tracks, the darkness of the route taken and the lack of witnesses. Has anybody seen such an official document that proves the bike could not be a means to get to and from the farm?

At trial jurors were told by the judge:

how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case

[Inspector Gadget]

At trial jurors were told by the judge:

how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case

Sure, but we can’t pretend it never happened. It is important to try and join dots to understand what went on that night to the best of our knowledge and things like this are excellent. All I was trying to understand is if the bike could have been used that night as pro Bamber people were telling me it was proven it COULDN’T which is clearly a lie. This experiment proves it so thanks to whoever it was that took the time to reconstruct the route. 👏🏻

[Holly Goodhead]

Sure, but we can’t pretend it never happened. It is important to try and join dots to understand what went on that night to the best of our knowledge and things like this are excellent. All I was trying to understand is if the bike could have been used that night as pro Bamber people were telling me it was proven it COULDN’T which is clearly a lie. This experiment proves it so thanks to whoever it was that took the time to reconstruct the route. 👏🏻

Like the phone call it can't be proved one way or the other.

[Inspector Gadget]

Like the phone call it can't be proved one way or the other.

Well no, as that was one of the key points of prosecution and they explained how he lied, in a court of law, and the jury accepted this evidence hence he was found guilty by a majority of 10-2. It was a clever attempt at an alibi I will give him that but ultimately was proven that he lied due to the line being open and his contradictory statements to police. Once he was caught lying his credibility was in tatters.

[APRIL]

Like the phone call it can't be proved one way or the other.

I agree, but it's no reason for 'allowing' him to be innocent when the balance of probabilities makes him guilty.

[Inspector Gadget]

I agree, but it's no reason for 'allowing' him to be innocent when the balance of probabilities makes him guilty.

You agree a phonecall can’t be proved one way or another?  Well it was disproved based on the open phone line, the inability for NB to be able to speak plus one look at his police statements where he contradicted himself. That was enough proof for the jury who found his guilty 10-2 using this exact piece of evidence from the prosecution.

[Caroline]

You agree a phonecall can’t be proved one way or another?  Well it was disproved based on the open phone line, the inability for NB to be able to speak plus one look at his police statements where he contradicted himself. That was enough proof for the jury who found his guilty 10-2 using this exact piece of evidence from the prosecution.

Well, it is possible that Nevill made the call before being shot, I don't believe the call took place but nevertheless it is an alternative view.