Question to members

[Caroline]

As I understand it the relatives had already established NB's empty wallet along with an absence of cash in June's handbags and any cash anywhere within WHF?  This doesn't ring true especially mid 80's:

- JB

- Dishonest police officer(s)

- Relatives

Where have they stated the wallet was empty?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So you'd have been happy if he'd walked?

Anyone who’s happy to see a mass murderer  get off must have “difficulties”...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Either because he's guilty, or because nobody would ever dare release him.

He IS guilty, Myster — have you forgotten?

If he wasn’t guilty and the authorities knew, they wouldn’t DARE not release him...

Fact is, the evidence against him was SO overwhelming the courts ignore his petty complaints ...they’d listen to new fresh concrete evidence that suggested he WAS innocent, but in 35 years if him hunting through thousands of documents he’s come up with zilch.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Just imagine how embarrassing it would be if it were to be discovered that someone had spent 35 years in prison for something he didn't do.  Imagine what a fuss the "supporters" would make!

And imagine how embarrassed they’d be if they released him knowing he’s guilty !

Listen dear, you can moo ‘til the cows come home, but he ain’t ever gonna be released.

He’s guilty. Full stop.

Move on, live...stop daydreaming. And let me tell you something — IF he ever got released (won’t happen) you’d NEVER see him. He’d drop all his supporters who he secretly laughs at and would be OFF...

[Caroline]

And imagine how embarrassed they’d be if they released him knowing he’s guilty !

Listen dear, you can moo ‘til the cows come home, but he ain’t ever gonna be released.

He’s guilty. Full stop.

Move on, live...stop daydreaming. And let me tell you something — IF he ever got released (won’t happen) you’d NEVER see him. He’d drop all his supporters who he secretly laughs at and would be OFF...

He would do his best to try and make celebrity status - he just loves attenntion!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He would do his best to try and make celebrity status - he just loves attenntion!

Indeed!

But he’d drop all the soppy groupies who he secretly laughs at...he’d be trying his luck with some Z-lister Reality star

First he’d get an agent: have a ghostwriter do his autobiography while instructing a lawyer to sling the family out of WHF, Vaulty, the Caravan Site and sue them for back rent.

He’d have a nip & tuck (last reporter who went to interview him said Jeremy looked older than his years, was very jowly, and had a grey type skin tone) so, being vain, he’d have a N&T, botox/fillers, veneers, hair dye etc...the works...probably have laser treatment to get rid of his spectacles...

Lease a Ferrari, but would need driving lessons again and wouldn’t have a clue you press a start button instead of using a key...

He’d need to learn computer basics, how mobiles work...as far as technology goes he’s still in the last century. Oh, how frustrating he must feel when he sees those computer screens but has no internet access ! He’s already started complaining about that; saying it’s a handicap. Well, he can complain on...cos it ain’t gonna happen.

But yes, he’d relish being in the limelight, playing the “oh, woe is me, what a hero I am” as he told press/TV to submit their bids for his time on GMTV, This Morning, Loose Women etc...

And I guarantee he wouldn’t visit June and Nevill’s grave unless a camera crew came along...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I would suggest it is incompetent rather than corrupt on the basis of what appeal court judges said about other moj's

Stefan Kizsko

"We can find no grounds whatsoever to condemn the jury's verdict of murder as in any way safe or unsatisfactory.  The appeal is dismissed".  Lord Justice Bridge.

Stephen Downing

"The court felt that her evidence was not credible and secure enough to allow an appeal against the conviction".

Sally Clarke

"Despite recognition of the flaws in Meadow's statistical evidence, the convictions were upheld at appeal in October 2000."

Guildford Four

"Both the Guildford Four and the Maguire Seven unsuccessfully sought leave to appeal their convictions immediately".

"The Guildford Four tried to obtain from the Home Secretary a reference to the Court of Appeal under Section 17 of Criminal Appeal Act 1968 (later repeled) but were unsuccessful.

Birmingham 6

"In March 1976 their first application for leave to appeal was dismissed by the Court of Appeal, presided over by Lord Widgery CJ".

"In January 1988 after a six week hearing (at that time the longest criminal hearing ever held), the convictions were ruled to be safe and satisfactory.  The Court of Appeal, presided over by the Lord Chief Justice Lord Lane dismissed the appeals".

Holly, these cases were incompetent, and in some cases corrupt.

Equally, there are people walking free due to the incompetence of the police...it works both ways.

But the cases you’ve highlighted are extreme, and they all had CONCRETE evidence that they were innocent, hence why they were released.

Jeremy Bamber doesn’t fall into their camp — and they’d be insulted you've lumped his in with them!

Jeremy has not a SHRED of evidence that he didn’t kill all his family — I suggest you refresh yourself with the FACTS

[Holly Goodhead]

Where have they stated the wallet was empty?

The relatives sought out all cash within WHF at the request of BC.  NB's wallet was found along with June's handbags and no cash was found including elsewhere in WHF.  I find it impossible to conceive that NB/June had no cash in wallets/purses/handbags which leaves 3 possibilities:

- JB

- Dishonest police officers

- Relatives

[Holly Goodhead]

The relatives sought out all cash within WHF at the request of BC.  NB's wallet was found along with June's handbags and no cash was found including elsewhere in WHF.  I find it impossible to conceive that NB/June had no cash in wallets/purses/handbags which leaves 3 possibilities:

- JB

- Dishonest police officers

- Relatives

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[Holly Goodhead]

Holly, these cases were incompetent, and in some cases corrupt.

Equally, there are people walking free due to the incompetence of the police...it works both ways.

But the cases you’ve highlighted are extreme, and they all had CONCRETE evidence that they were innocent, hence why they were released.

Jeremy Bamber doesn’t fall into their camp — and they’d be insulted you've lumped his in with them!

Jeremy has not a SHRED of evidence that he didn’t kill all his family — I suggest you refresh yourself with the FACTS

Corruption and incompetence are at the heart of most MOJ's.  JB's too imo.

I am well versed with the facts of the case thank you.

If the above cases were as easy to rectify as you seem to think then how come it took so long and why did they go  back and forth to appeal courts?

Bearing in mind the above had the best possible advocates by way of family.  JB has been handicapped by the likes of Mike Tesko and various others.

[mrswah]

And imagine how embarrassed they’d be if they released him knowing he’s guilty !

Listen dear, you can moo ‘til the cows come home, but he ain’t ever gonna be released.

He’s guilty. Full stop.

Move on, live...stop daydreaming. And let me tell you something — IF he ever got released (won’t happen) you’d NEVER see him. He’d drop all his supporters who he secretly laughs at and would be OFF...

I am not your "dear", thank you, and  I don't "moo" , unless I'm reading baby books with my grandchildren.

 Daydreaming---well there, I'm guilty, but I wouldn't say I spend much time daydreaming about Jeremy Bamber.

I did say that I don't believe JB will ever be released, and I don't know what  gave you the idea that I would ever want to see him. If I did, i'd have tried to arrange it before now---I've certainly had enough time.

[barrier]

Corruption and incompetence are at the heart of most MOJ's.  JB's too imo.

I am well versed with the facts of the case thank you.

If the above cases were as easy to rectify as you seem to think then how come it took so long and why did they go  back and forth to appeal courts?

Bearing in mind the above had the best possible advocates by way of family.  JB has been handicapped by the likes of Mike Tesko and various others.

Holly in the past you've alluded to other miscarriages such as the Stefan Kizko one as some kind of  bellwether,this case in particular was a right stitch up,with the most damning being he was infertile which never matched the sample of semen on the victim,what clear evidence after the conviction of Bamber some 34 yrs later is there that can clear him? remembering in his haste the forensics were destroyed,its his word and word only.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Corruption and incompetence are at the heart of most MOJ's.  JB's too imo.

I am well versed with the facts of the case thank you.

If the above cases were as easy to rectify as you seem to think then how come it took so long and why did they go  back and forth to appeal courts?

Bearing in mind the above had the best possible advocates by way of family.  JB has been handicapped by the likes of Mike Tesko and various others.

They didn’t REPEATEDLY go back and forth — some appealed twice — and then won their appeal on CONCRETE evidence

Jeremy Bamber has gone to appeal twice — and failed due to ludicrous allegations which were batted out of court in less than an hour

Jeremy has also tried (unsuccessfully) to get Leave to Appeal — and that’s failed too due to his ridiculous “evidence” that doesn’t exist

Jeremy went to the European Court of Human Rights — and failed there too

He has NEVER presented ONE shred of evidence to even SUGGEST he’s innocent. Never.

Furthermore, there’s actually MORE damning evidence AGAINST him that wasn’t heard in court the first time

This is going round in circles...

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly in the past you've alluded to other miscarriages such as the Stefan Kizko one as some kind of  bellwether,this case in particular was a right stitch up,with the most damning being he was infertile which never matched the sample of semen on the victim,what clear evidence after the conviction of Bamber some 34 yrs later is there that can clear him? remembering in his haste the forensics were destroyed,its his word and word only.

I've posted a range of MOJ's which show they are difficult to rectify even when an individual such as Stefan Kizsko was manifestly innocent.  Unlike other MOJ's JB has been severely handicapped by lack of family support and having to rely on the likes of Mike Tesko.

I'm not aware of any forensic evidence that was destroyed pre trial?

Post trial exhibits have been destroyed against all protocols which could potentially have assisted JB advance his case or conversely seal his fate.

[Holly Goodhead]

They didn’t REPEATEDLY go back and forth — some appealed twice — and then won their appeal on CONCRETE evidence

Jeremy Bamber has gone to appeal twice — and failed due to ludicrous allegations which were batted out of court in less than an hour

Jeremy has also tried (unsuccessfully) to get Leave to Appeal — and that’s failed too due to his ridiculous “evidence” that doesn’t exist

Jeremy went to the European Court of Human Rights — and failed there too

He has NEVER presented ONE shred of evidence to even SUGGEST he’s innocent. Never.

Furthermore, there’s actually MORE damning evidence AGAINST him that wasn’t heard in court the first time

This is going round in circles...

All the cases I have referred to were long running and went to the appeal courts at least twice before they were overturned.  These cases also benefitted from strong family support whereas JB has had to rely on idiots.

A recent example is that of Amanda Knox who served a lengthy prison sentence and case went back and forth to the appeal courts until it was finally overturned with no chance of appeal for the prosecution.  Not only did AK have family support but she had an incredible bunch of people around her by way of 'judges for justice'. 

An appellants success or failure is very much dependent on the individuals on the outside supporting him/her.

The ECHR related to his sentence not the case against him.